The new face of armed robbery

redzi

redzi

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I read that it is an epidemic in certain parts of Michigan when it comes to growing. They find one little infraction like not having a high enough fence or ..... it just goes on and on to the point that growers hire attorneys that specialize in what is basically dotting the i and crossing the T. This is why, more than anything else, the founding fathers of our country put in the right to bear arms. Some of the info below in surprising...it doesn't follow a red or blue of politics. The percentage is how much an agency can keep. The * is for states that get to keep up to that amount if the court "awards" that amount. The below map is from the non profit Institute of Justice in a article titles Policing for Profit.
 
redzi

redzi

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People tend to think that forfeiture is related to organized crime, drug running, ect.. In some areas of the country if you get caught driving that 69 GTO at a certain high speed or get caught racing,... that since you used the car in the commission of a crime (public endangerment). The thing is that you have to prove mitigating circumstances...such as it was 4 am and I was the only car on the road.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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redzi said:
People tend to think that forfeiture is related to organized crime, drug running, ect.. In some areas of the country if you get caught driving that 69 GTO at a certain high speed or get caught racing,... that since you used the car in the commission of a crime (public endangerment). The thing is that you have to prove mitigating circumstances...such as it was 4 am and I was the only car on the road.
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This is pure and simple lawlessness.

The fact that police are now doing it for everything from drug cartels to hot dog stands simply shows that it was never anything but state sponsored theft to begin with.

I smell a massive backlash coming...

And it will be ugly.
 
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SoOLED

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ttystikk said:
This is pure and simple lawlessness.

The fact that police are now doing it for everything from drug cartels to hot dog stands simply shows that it was never anything but state donated theft to begin with.

I smell a massive backlash coming...

And it will be ugly.
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I'm not sure how this works? the state sets the fines and penalties; so all they have to do is connect your infraction with money some how and skip due process and you forfeit anything and all.

that's a very extreme view, but what is to stop them form doing that. everyone is living pay check-to-pay check: people would be scared shitless to say or do anything.
 
Justin-case

Justin-case

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SoOLED said:
I'm not sure how this works? the state sets the fines and penalties; so all they have to do is connect your infraction with money some how and skip due process and you forfeit anything and all.

that's a very extreme view, but what is to stop them form doing that. everyone is living pay check-to-pay check: people would be scared shitless to say or do anything.
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It was campus police, I'm not sure if all of the same norms apply.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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ttystikk said:
This is pure and simple lawlessness.

The fact that police are now doing it for everything from drug cartels to hot dog stands simply shows that it was never anything but state donated theft to begin with.

I smell a massive backlash coming...

And it will be ugly.
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backlash? when? this has been happening since the first pig donned the first badge,
sometimes with paperwork and sometimes without
 
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schuylaar

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ttystikk said:
This is pure and simple lawlessness.

The fact that police are now doing it for everything from drug cartels to hot dog stands simply shows that it was never anything but state donated theft to begin with.

I smell a massive backlash coming...

And it will be ugly.
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next thing you know, they'll be dragging a nurse out of a hospital and arresting her for refusal to hand over a patients blood and doing her JOB!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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SoOLED said:
I'm not sure how this works? the state sets the fines and penalties; so all they have to do is connect your infraction with money some how and skip due process and you forfeit anything and all.

that's a very extreme view, but what is to stop them form doing that. everyone is living pay check-to-pay check: people would be scared shitless to say or do anything.
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RICO is a Federal Statute and city beat cops don't have authority to enforce Federal law.

What this fuck did was in no way supportable by statute or precedent.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
And when a society goes sideways, the cops are the first targets.

Is that what we really want for our country?
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Societies go sideways when the police lose trust of the general population too. I don't think we disagree on this, I just think that cops have a stake in keeping honest too. Civil forfeiture laws are a form of corruption that doesn't get enough attention in the media. Newspapers publish like drunk driving arrests. I'd like to see notices in the paper when governments sue an asset too.
SoOLED said:
I'm not sure how this works? the state sets the fines and penalties; so all they have to do is connect your infraction with money some how and skip due process and you forfeit anything and all.

that's a very extreme view, but what is to stop them form doing that. everyone is living pay check-to-pay check: people would be scared shitless to say or do anything.
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When assets are seized in a civil asset forfeiture action, the person isn't charged with the crime, the asset is. Assets aren't awarded due process and are held until legal processes are completed. People can sue to get their assets back but usually court costs are greater than the value of the asset. Also, success rates in court are low.

This wasn't a case of civil asset forfeiture. The campus cop had been instructed to collect evidence when charging somebody with vending food without a license. It seems that everybody but the cop thinks he went too far when he dug into the guys wallet. Smart phone cameras are changing the landscape for police actions like this. Not too long ago, it would have been the cops word against the vendor regarding what steps the cop took to determine if the money was entirely proceeds from the illegal hot dog business.

Biddy (Vice Chancellor) said $60 was seized as evidence of the “suspected proceeds of the violation” and booked into evidence. it is not clear how the officer how the officer knew whether the wallet’s contents were entirely derived from sales.

“I have instructed University of California Police Department to open a complaint investigation,” he said. “We will assign an investigator to look at both the procedural and management issues related to the incident. Please be assured that the investigation will be completed in a timely manner.”

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/09/11/uc-berkeley-launches-investigation-into-viral-video-of-cop-confiscating-hot-dog-vendors-cash/
 
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