The Official House and Garden Thread

[Jozikins]

What does part A have that part B doesn't?

They are different. Cocos formula part A is 3.9 - 0 - 3.3 ~~~ 0.5% of the N is Ammonical Nitrogen, while the remaining 3.4% is Nitrate Nitrogen.
Derived from: Calcium Nitrate, Ammonium Nitrate, Nitric Acid, Potassium Hydroxide

Cocos B is 1.5 - 3.4 - 6.1
This formula has soluble Potash and Magnesium as well
Derived from: Nitric Acid, Potassium Hydroxide, Phosphoric Acid, Anhydride, Magnesium Sulfate

Luckily I keep my chest of nutrients at my bedside, lol.

I've done a side by side test, using botanicare Cns17 vs the H&G and couldn't tell a difference between the two except for price.

I've done the exact same thing and noticed only little differences. I still feel the over all health of my H&G garden was better with slightly more potent end products. HOWEVER... this is almost completely irrelevant because my H&G garden was 6 - 12 plants (I'm trying BioBizz in there this round) and my Cns17 garden was nearly 90 plants in flowering. I didn't own the garden, I was just one of a few gardeners working this gardener. And they were shitty gardeners. Me and my buddy were constantly trying to fix their fuck ups. But Cns17 is the shit. Banana Manna is good stuff too.

 

[IVIars]

So you'd be using a ratio of 5.4-3.4-9.4 late in flower. Seems like alot of nitrogen.

 

[Jozikins]

I feel like it is a lot of nitrogen too, but I noticed if I try and use more B and less A I don't get as good of results. The recipe is just about perfect, and there isn't a whole lot of tinkering I can do with it and get better results. This is just A and B, we still aren't counting Bud XL, Top Booster, and Shooting Powder. We aren't looking at any of the new products either. I got to try that Amino Boost, or whatever it is called, before it came out. It was going to be called Cell Splitter for a while, I believe, but anyways, it is an incredible product and highly recommend it, I am so excited I can just go out and buy some more, I was down to my last drop and was being very stingy with it.

 

[william69er]

Has any one growen from clone to havest with out all the extras (bud xl,shooting powder ect)?? I'm trying to get to harvest before I buy all the extras,just becuse I'm broke haha. Just wondering if there's much of a differance.
Cheers willie

 

[jdmcwestevo]

Has any one growen from clone to havest with out all the extras (bud xl,shooting powder ect)?? I'm trying to get to harvest before I buy all the extras,just becuse I'm broke haha. Just wondering if there's much of a differance.
Cheers willie

yes all the additives make a very big difference

 

[agreentree]

The line is worth the money just pay for it!

 

[Jozikins]

I would definitely get the boosters. At the very least get BUD XL right away, and get shooting powder to finish it off. You can usually buy shooting powder by the packet in hydro shops.

 

[william69er]

Dammit!! Why couldn't you guys say "yes house and gardens even better with out all the extras!!".gess I'll have to go buy some then. Hmmm 5 125ltr res aren't looking so cheap now grrr.

 

[Jozikins]

Storage tubs make great reservoirs for cheap. And I would highly recommend roots excelurator for veg, they just do not grow near the same without it. I just switched back to House & Garden, and call it impossible if you'd like, but I see a difference in health in just a few hours now. I was on the complete BioBizz line up, and after trying for 2 crops to make this shit work legit, I just cannot, and have failed it. I think maybe the nutrient failed me, the bottles were kind of old when I got them, all though they were sealed, and by the time I used them I'm sure those bottles were probably 2 years old. I'm thinking of calling up BioBizz and asking for another sample pack to try it out again, a fresh one. Because I already bought all the expensive additives that didn't come with the pack.

Anyways, enough of my griping, H&G rocks and your plants are going to love it, totally worth your money. Tissue growth is solid too, not watery at all. You can contact your local House & Garden rep or the online House & Garden rep, ask him for a sample pack of their bloom boosters. You'll probably get Rob, he is a real cool dude, and usually hooks it up. Give him time to respond, he is one overworked mother fucker.

 

[william69er]

Yea I would be keen beAns to get a sample pack but arr not too sure how keen they would be on sending it exactly harf a world away haha.I'll just wait till first harvest then stock up big time.Would love to try the root "excalarater" but can't see the point when it's going to be wasted on mothers.
Cheers guys

 

[Jozikins]

Dude you really want to rethink what you just said "Wasted on mothers" the mother determines every step of your crop. Good mom's mean good clones, good clones mean fast growth and strong stem development, strong clones means strong flowering plants with strong stems to support heavy flowers. With a sick mom, you have a sick second generation with a second-rate yield. Your mom's and clones are the most important part of your garden and need the most TLC. When you flower, you are just trying to get them to the end of their life in fine health, as long as they stay healthy they will give you a fat yield, no special booster required for a decent yield, healthy plants with a healthy start does it for you.

I really cannot stress this enough, your mothers are the most important thing in your garden. Treat your mother with respect!

And H&G has distribution centers in the Netherlands, US, and Australia, so I'm sure you can get someone to ship it out to you. Roots Excelurator is good shit, and it is used on clones, veg, moms, and in the first 3 weeks of the flowering period.

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Has anyone noticed a big change of ph/ppm readings with different temps? I am just talking about a couple of hours while making the new batch of water. Also is there to low of a temp for the water that will be more harmful then good to the plants?

 

[Jozikins]

Has anyone noticed a big change of ph/ppm readings with different temps? I am just talking about a couple of hours while making the new batch of water. Also is there to low of a temp for the water that will be more harmful then good to the plants?

Yes, this happens with all meters, and you should check the manual to see how to adjust your meter or compensate your measurements. It isn't the H&G though. Dropped down to near freezing today for no damn reason, October hit us like a ton of bricks, getting colder tomorrow, so I'm having to deal with the same thing. I'm going to have to find a place to finish my outdoor Blue Dreams and my tomatoes.

Got of a beast of a SFV coming down tomorrow, I'm pretty stoked for that, I don't think I've ever let one go this long.

 

[HydroDawg421]

I have a 6 site DWC 3.5gal bucket system (total 25gals) using Aqua Flakes. I followed the directions for A&B mix using RO water and then set PH to 5.8 per instructions. Then put in the additives. 5 days later the PH is 7-7.4 in the buckets PPM 850. Water temp is 68degrees and the plants look fine. Is this normal for the H&G Aqua Flakes???

Thoughts???

 

[Jozikins]

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I have a 6 site DWC 3.5gal bucket system (total 25gals) using Aqua Flakes. I followed the directions for A&B mix using RO water and then set PH to 5.8 per instructions. Then put in the additives. 5 days later the PH is 7-7.4 in the buckets PPM 850. Water temp is 68degrees and the plants look fine. Is this normal for the H&G Aqua Flakes???

Thoughts???

Adjust your pH before your plants die. Keep them at 5.7-5.9 to the best of your abilities.

 

[Hulk Nugs]

Three new products ? Whats every one think if you didnt get the new update from H&G. Nitrogen Boost, Amino Treatment, Shootingpowerder DryorWet.

 

[raindog]

Hi, If I change my res every two weeks and add water +/- nutes based on PPM and PH as well as the look of the plants (wish me luck, how would you folks handle the three week finish with shooting powder? Is this the time to exactly follow the
charts or .. has anyone any advice?? I know I'm being cheap this first run but have also heard that others don't do a weekly change. Any advice would be welcome.
Thanks.
I'm in week one of flower doing a 4x4 scrog with Jack Flash. 40 gal res.

 

[william69er]

Hay dude I got a 125 ltr res and run ho2o same as al.b but run H&G and do my res every 2 weeks as well no problim ppm starts at 1120 an gos right down to 400ish with top ups. Have 36 sog(that are out of control) plants in there.
Hope this helps

 

[raindog]

Hay dude I got a 125 ltr res and run ho2o same as al.b but run H&G and do my res every 2 weeks as well no problim ppm starts at 1120 an gos right down to 400ish with top ups. Have 36 sog(that are out of control) plants in there.
Hope this helps

My ppms are also in the 1100 range with the additives at week one. Do you reduce the AB with top bosster?

 

[william69er]

Nope only just got bud xl and only added 50ml last night cuse I still got a week To go before res change.havnt used top booster ether.