The Truth About Flushing

boilingoil

boilingoil

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First off that's called banding and that is just a starter fertilizer. And it's a dry fertilizer and as such takes time to release all of the nutrients. After about 2-3 weeks of growth we come back and incorporate Anhydrous Ammonium into the soil at depth. This in turn turns into nitrites then to nitrates by biological processes in the soil. This process does not happen instantaneously it takes time for the biological processes to convert the ammonium to a usable form for the plants.
So it's really not the same comparison unless you're using a dry fertilizer to grow with, as with liquid nutrients when mixed they are available immediately.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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CannaBruh said:
Sorry, but BS, support this somehow, not with articles that study the feeding of various levels of nitrogen to fiber hemp and the observed THC content throughout the plant from 1970 something.

And with respect I'm sorry I fail to find the same conclusions from the excerpts.

Are you choosing to completely ignore the points I highlighted from the excerpt of what appears to be some IG post?
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I'm done with you. Show anything to support. Your side of it.

Its not bull. It lends credence to what I said. Period.

I have read others about P and K. Optimal feed is best. Over and u der feed h7Drs yield and potency. I just have to find them.
 
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whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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greg nr said:
It's funny how some of you guys talk about farming and how they don't flush. I used to work on a dairy farm and we grew corn for feed. The corn got 2 rounds of ferts; one at seeding where a line of powdered ferts was cut into the soil a few inched off the seed line and once when they were still relatively short, a truck would drive down the rows and spray a liq fert and weed control agent. That was pretty much it.

So was that flushing or just farming? If you had asked us if we flushed, we would have looked at you with a dumbfounded stare. Yet all the corn got for at least 6 weeks was water.
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What the fuck are you talking about?

You just said they got two feedings.

I worked on farms that were thousands of acres. They don't leech them unless they screw up. Too expensive.

How does your story support flushing because I doubt the corn was fed twice and that was it unless the powder was a long time release feed.
 
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Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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greg nr said:
It's funny how some of you guys talk about farming and how they don't flush. I used to work on a dairy farm and we grew corn for feed. The corn got 2 rounds of ferts; one at seeding where a line of powdered ferts was cut into the soil a few inched off the seed line and once when they were still relatively short, a truck would drive down the rows and spray a liq fert and weed control agent. That was pretty much it.

So was that flushing or just farming? If you had asked us if we flushed, we would have looked at you with a dumbfounded stare. Yet all the corn got for at least 6 weeks was water.
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No that was fertilizing lol. Once that was used up the soil took over. Then the next year you didn't plant corn I would assume? Corn draws massive amounts of nitrogen out if the soil and the ground will need to be replinished by rotating crops that will add nitrogen back into the soil, or nutrients, and or manure. The guy that is farming my fields grew corn last year and has now planted clover, peas, and wheat I believe, he will let the clover go to fallow I think, its organic so no manufactured nutrients allowed.

Edit: I'm a bow hunter so yup happy, happy, happy.
 
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whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Budley Doright said:
No that was fertilizing lol. Once that was used up the soil took over. Then the next year you didn't plant corn I would assume? Corn draws massive amounts of nitrogen out if the soil and the ground will need to be replinished by rotating crops that will add nitrogen back into the soil, or nutrients, and or manure. The guy that is farming my fields grew corn last year and has now planted clover, peas, and wheat I believe, he will let the clover go to fallow I think, its organic so no manufactured nutrients allowed.
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Yes. The clover is nitrogen fixing.


This whole thing is silly really. I say do what makes you happy. To the ones that flush its not hurting anything. Just know for the ones that get a fade by starving their plants are actually hurting yield and potency.
 
Enigma

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greg nr said:
It's funny how some of you guys talk about farming and how they don't flush. I used to work on a dairy farm and we grew corn for feed. The corn got 2 rounds of ferts; one at seeding where a line of powdered ferts was cut into the soil a few inched off the seed line and once when they were still relatively short, a truck would drive down the rows and spray a liq fert and weed control agent. That was pretty much it.

So was that flushing or just farming? If you had asked us if we flushed, we would have looked at you with a dumbfounded stare. Yet all the corn got for at least 6 weeks was water.
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Farmers don't feed unless necessary.

Why fertilize 1k acres if you don't have to?

Ask me how I know.
 
greg nr

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Budley Doright said:
No that was fertilizing lol. Once that was used up the soil took over. Then the next year you didn't plant corn I would assume? Corn draws massive amounts of nitrogen out if the soil and the ground will need to be replinished by rotating crops that will add nitrogen back into the soil, or nutrients, and or manure. The guy that is farming my fields grew corn last year and has now planted clover, peas, and wheat I believe, he will let the clover go to fallow I think, its organic so no manufactured nutrients allowed.

Edit: I'm a bow hunter so yup happy, happy, happy.
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No field rotation. After harvest we would spread manure but in upstate ny all you get for a winter cover crop is snow. There would be some green growth by the time we planted, but it was just grasses and weeds. It was left in place.

He was kind of a radical for his time though. All the farmers in the area would till the soil before planting. He didn't. He used what was called a no-till planter. It had a series of blades. One would cut a narrow furrow deep enough to plant a single seed ever so many inches and then cover it again. Another blade would cut a furrow a few inches to the side and drop dry fertilizer and "other" additives. Not organic by any means, but it really didn't disturb the soil very much.

Corn grew really well season after season. It was cattle corn, so we weren't trying to get sugary sweet kernals. Everything was chopped and silo'd. Leaves, stalks, and grains. Cows loved it. Especially after fermentation set in at the bottom of the silo in the spring.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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greg nr said:
No field rotation. After harvest we would spread manure but in upstate ny all you get for a winter cover crop is snow. There would be some green growth by the time we planted, but it was just grasses and weeds. It was left in place.

He was kind of a radical for his time though. All the farmers in the area would till the soil before planting. He didn't. He used what was called a no-till planter. It had a series of blades. One would cut a narrow furrow deep enough to plant a single seed ever so many inches and then cover it again. Another blade would cut a furrow a few inches to the side and drop dry fertilizer and "other" additives. Not organic by any means, but it really didn't disturb the soil very much.

Corn grew really well season after season. It was cattle corn, so we weren't trying to get sugary sweet kernals. Everything was chopped and silo'd. Leaves, stalks, and grains. Cows loved it. Especially after fermentation set in at the bottom of the silo in the spring.
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The manure helps. You also admit to using time release certs and ammonium spray that take tim3 to break down.

Its hard to grow even feed corn year after year. You have to rotate crops.

Your white snow thing kind of shows lack of knowledge of farming. You never heard of winter wheat? It grows in snow.
 
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CannaBruh

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WeedFreak78 said:
Awesome, if it wasn't so large I'd make that my sig. That's an accurate description of how leaching should be done, through runoff, but no relevance to what we're discussing. We're talking about the process of "flushing", as it's known in the cannabis growing community, the common practice of running large quantities of water through your medium. Or running plan water for up to 2 weeks in hydro. This is what I'm arguing against. I said, the correct term is leaching and isn't used in commercial horticulture except in hydroponics to rinse the media of excess buildup. I said I couldn't find references to that particular technique in soil, in commercial horticulture, other than for toxicity.

Running large amounts of water through soil as regular practice, or plain water for weeks in hydro, goes against all common horticultural practice.

I did the common 2-3x volume flush in soil when I started growing, I noticed plants yellowed within a few days and stalled . I did side by sides with no flush, the non flushed plants kept swelling, and more important to me, had better flavor profiles. Same in hydro, I started out doing plain water for the last 7-10 days. When i started running low EC to the end, better yields and flavors.
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Exactly, it has nothing to do with "flushing" in the context of the discussion that you derailed with this nonsense, but I humored you and showed you what you failed to find. Agreed?
 
CannaBruh

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CannaBruh said:
"The theory is that this forces the plant to use up stored nutrients that may affect these qualities. (duh) Although this is certainly true to some extent, (to what extent?) what many are forgetting is that not all nutrients can be moved within the plant."
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Although this is certainly true.....
Although this is certainly true....

please share more excerpts that support flushing
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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CannaBruh said:
100% bullshit supported by nothing you've posted for reference... read your study's again
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Its not bullshit dude. How do you not understand that?

Some strains change color genetically. Not all.

If you are getting a fade that is a deficiency.

Cannabis can put on up to 25% of its weight the last two weeks of its life. Why starve it at that crucial time.

What I showed lends credence to that and also the potency.

If you can't see that then fine. No biggie.

Its not from the 70s either it shows references from the 90s.

It shows the effect of nitrogen on the content in hemp. How do you think that doesn't correlate with other types of cannabis?
 
Chunky Stool

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CannaBruh said:
Although this is certainly true.....
Although this is certainly true....

please share more excerpts that support flushing
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If you don't flush, poop will stack up and eventually you can't sit down.
It also smells really bad.
Attracts bugs.
Lots of reasons to flush...

On a serious note, regardless of whether you call it flush, leech, or "finish" the goal is the same. I think we are getting tripped up by semantics.
A few years ago, one of my neighbors gave me a couple of gallons of an A/B flush formula by Dutch Majik (intentionally misspelled). He found it in the garage because the former owner forgot it.
Anyhoo...
It was just a low dose finisher, which is somewhere between feeding & leeching.
Wish I had kept it just to show you, but there's probably a good reason they are out of business...
 
CannaBruh

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@whitebb2727 You are trying to correlate a study of fiber hemp and the observations of N and thc content to somehow qualify your statement of "if you flush you lose weight, you lose potency" (paraphrasing) and your references simply do not stand up as credibly supporting your argument in that regard.

Further, they demonstrate some relationship that increasing N decreased THC, (a benefit to them as they're growing hemp for fiber) but you seemed to not make that connection ( but they don't really make clear at which stages of growth)


Every question you ask in your latest post has been answered by me and others, but you continue to ask like you refuse to listen.

"It shows the effect of nitrogen on the content in hemp. How do you think that doesn't correlate with other types of cannabis?"
I don't think you understand how to intepret data worth a fuck with any due respect.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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whitebb2727 said:
The manure helps. You also admit to using time release certs and ammonium spray that take tim3 to break down.

Its hard to grow even feed corn year after year. You have to rotate crops.

Your while snow thing kind of shows lack of knowledge of farming. You never heard of winter wheat? It grows in snow.
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Yup, I'm just a tad north of New York as well, but I can see Clayton from the boat, just can't stay in the water there too long, I'd get a free trip to Buffalo for a few days all expenses paid lol.
 
Mr.Head

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Flushing, in the context used by cannabis growers, is to fix their overfeeding. Flushing has no place in agriculture. It would be an environmental disaster i.e. Flint Michigan.

If you can't grow crops in your soil because you fucked it up to the point of damaging plants then you shouldn't be farming.

Flushing is for container growers. A lot of flushing is because people are trying to maximize yield through food instead of genetics, it's a ridiculous approach IMO. Farmers don't pick low yielding corn varieties then pump the soil full of shit they know that variety of corn won't use. Cannabis growers do this regularly thinking over feeding is going to help...

Plants are not people, you can't just feed them more and make them fatter. at a certain point they just say fuck you that's the best you get and all that extra you put in just sits there until it starts to do damage and then they try and remove it..... No amount of food will help yet growers still pour more shit on their soil.
 
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