Theoretical breeding question....this goes out to the pro's

Hey all you Riuppers,


Locdawg here again. as its been a while since I've posted on the forum i figure i'll just reintroduce myself. Im Locdawg. a licensed medicinal cannabis patient of Washington state. currently operating a collective just getting our first start. set open our doors the 1st of the new year!!! FEELS SO DAMN GOOD TO BE IN THE GRACES OF LEGALITY AND PROSPERITY with this here herb we all love so much .... anyways on to the real deal, I have a serious genetics/ breeding question as I have begun breeding myself and want to know about breeding and how pollen effects the growth of female bud in late flowering (final 2-3 weeks of growth). so yeah that's my question which is again this how does pollen effect bud growth in late flowering? and lastly when will i know the seeds are good and viable, will pollinating these females effect the length of time till harvest, and is the harvested bud going to be worth smoking or should i just make a concentrate of some sort with it?

I pollinated a female NYC diesel plant with female pollen(feminized pollen) to get feminized seeds. however compared to previous grows I have noticed that the lady's are a lot smaller in size with fatter calyxes(of course their filled with seed) but the weight just isn't there. is that to be expected when breeding and not just growing sensimilla crop?


thanks to all reply's in advance these questions have me perplexed and id really like to figure this out.

PS: the most confusing thing is that my trichs(checked with jewelers loupe) are all milky heading to amber,and we are heading into begin week 8 flower(day 52 flower ),but the buds look under developed compared to regular sensimilla crop.

I have never heard of feminized pollen. I dont think there is such a thing

I do know that seeded weed is worth smoking. Pot snobs may turn up their noses at it but the 99% will love it

"I have never heard of feminized pollen. I dont think there is such a thing"

I very well may have my terminology wrong but I know it exist because if nothing else I have created it. what I mean by all that is that female pollen or feminized pollen as when a breeder either through stressing regimen or through chemical induction causes a plant to hermaphrodite for the purpose of making feminized seeds.

thanks for the tid bid about the seedy weed... I feel much the same and hope it'll be every bit as good as previous crops just with seed. and yah! forget those pot snobs they can afford the good stuff ( TOP SHELF MEDS) so to them anything less than the best is ditch weed!
they truly have no prospective on this whole thing.

I guess I more posed the question as a discussion forming thing. I early harvested one of the lower "popcorn branches" and have it drying now... want to test the smoke out before de-seeding and sending it out to patients at a discounted price. I find it hard to believe that just the introduction of pollen to a female plant could reek so much havoc on the plants overall thc production... simply because these baby's are coated in sticky resin and I introduced pollen around the 15th day of flowering until around the 30th day its the 5oth and they are now full of seeds... seeds and resin this really perplexes me. maybe we as growers have it a little wrong when it comes to this seed resin thing i'll know more after the smoke as I have smoked both these strains ive grown without seed and know the effects really well... we may have some debunking evidence here shortly. Either way i will have some great new genetics to play with

subbed i was about to make a post about intentioally causing my plant to hermie to get seed as i only have one female plant bwhaha thanks for answring my wuestion man how did that bud taste ive got the royal queen special queen 1 its beenn a bitch finding pictures and info from actual growers

Feminized Pollen ownes , I use colloidal silver to make mine.

Seeds will not make your weed bunk.
One of my grow guru's (riddleme) swears "breeders bud" is better than sinsemilla.

I only pollinate one branch per plant and see no difference in the rest of the plant or the time it takes for the plant to finish. I agree that most of the branches which have been pollinated are at least as strong as the rest of the plant, could be a mind thing but IMO certainly not weaker.
I have never noticed a difference in size of the buds on plants which have been pollinated but maybe I am lucky, lol. I have noticed though that even with clones, grown in the same soil and nutes some plants are bigger budded than other plants of the same strain. One factor I find for this is taking a clone from the less dominate side of the plant. When choosing clones, taking the dominate branch on a side will give you a better cloned plant over the smaller opposing branch. Just an observation I have made over the years.
Good Luck

I pollinate a couple of lower branches about 5-6 weeks before harvest (so the seeds mature). It doesn't affect the quality or quantity of the other buds, and I get a good 30-50 viable seeds. I was also looking into using colloidal silver, like scarhole...from what i read, it is the best method for making feminized seeds. Does it work as well as they say?

Yes, but some are stubborn an take longer to reverse than others.
But I'm still a noob with it.

My friend the Grumpy 0ld Dreamer Taught me how...
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/387589-producing-feminised-seeds-using-colloidal.html

How do you make feminized pollen?

Never mind. I am reading the post. The CS is used on a female plant and then it turns male and produces fem pollen that is used on a fem plant to make fem seeds.
I thought the CS was used on a fem to produce seeds

SCARHOLE said:

Feminized Pollen ownes , I use colloidal silver to make mine.

Seeds will not make your weed bunk.
One of my grow guru's (riddleme) swears "breeders bud" is better than sinsemilla.

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yup boneheadbob you got it right. um im fairly new at this myself just have been doing months of research on the matter. I'm in the beginning phase of learning breeding (having only done it a few times last season) but regular breeding and refining a strain are two very different things to me. I am on the quest to develop a perfect medicinal strain that aids people suffering from severe nausea steming from either kemo, or MS sideeffects. as i have MS i have been searching for the greater part of this year looking for the right smoke to keep me healthy and without severe stomach issues. haven't had any luck until I found my pollen donar genetics (mostly indica cross of g13,yumbolt,trainwreck) I named that strain werewolf because it is a beast of branching and a monster indica as you can see.

and it is pretty stable as of now. ok so thats where the female pollen comes in, now i had to find a fem mother to nurture these seeds. I chose a very healthy NYCD clone from a local collective for the task. here she is oh boy! she is so fruity. gonna take a bit longer than the indica to finish being that shes a most sativa. but i bet she'll be every bit worth it.
I guess from reading other breeders journals and what not seems like the next step in further refining these genetics will be to either back cross either male or female child seed with the NYCD mother and then pic my favorite phenotype from there.

as for the name for the resulting stable cross of these two genetics, im going with werewolf theme all the way as im sure the cross will be as branchy as the pollen donor. i really liked those american werewolf horror movies... so we'll go with that for the name AMERICAN WEREWOLF. my thought process behind that is this the father/female pollen donor was a super structured branchy beast of an indica hybrid, there in getting its werewolf name for its beastly qualities and the AMERICAN part of the name i think is obvious as NYC is city in a state in the united states. well boys and girls that's all I've got for you as far as breeder talk goes today. oh and im working or a cross between Pakistan Ryder and auto assassin those should be good too!

oh and before I go again I wanted to say I will of course be back with a smoke report as soon as the meds are smoke-able. gonna be a minute though cuz I gotta let them go out for at least a week more under the new 1000w to see if that'll fatten those buds up a bit. then the dry and the cure although i will give smoke report twice... once before cure and one after. The above pics are about 2 1/2 weeks old or so they aren't exact for current size but close enough. may take a macro pic of the buds tonight when i get the 1000w all setup.

till next time

Locdawg,

"sStay Faded"

ddimebag said:

I pollinate a couple of lower branches about 5-6 weeks before harvest (so the seeds mature). It doesn't affect the quality or quantity of the other buds, and I get a good 30-50 viable seeds. I was also looking into using colloidal silver, like scarhole...from what i read, it is the best method for making feminized seeds. Does it work as well as they say?

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ddimebag

i was thinking of doing a more controlled pollination but i decided against it as there are only two in that flowering chamber{the mother an the female dad } but i wanted more seeds so that i could ensure the most genetic possibilities to arise so i could be sure i picked the right genes to carry on the lineage. I do however feel that next time im going to do like you and if i want to cross genetics ill do one branch cause i just know the buds are under developed compared to when i've grown sensimilla crop with same genetics. id say at least a 25-30% bud size drop. like i said the calyxes are swollen but the rest of the bud seems to have suffered on growth for the fact that the plant seemed to put all of its energy into seed and resin production.... yeah no complaints in the resin department she's is super sticky just not fat oh well .