There Is No Devil.

tip top toker said:

nutty and crazy alright, i'll get bloody arrested if i so much as mention the word mohammed in public or whatnot these days. it's a laugh.

i will take the piss out of whoever i want, i don't care if he's your profet, he was a nob, or something to that extent. since everything happened, the muslim world seems to be allowed to burn places to the ground, and it's all ok, because well, we made a joke about their god etc. that's really mad.

i enjoyed the film zeitgiest, and while i have not looked into the validity of any of it's arguments, so i can't say this is how it is, how do christians explain the apparent identical "jesus story" being inscribed onto pyramids and such in eygypt thousands and thousands of years before him. and that at the end of the day he is nothing more than a metaphor for the sun. i watched it ages back, but what was said was pretty damned compelling, i just havn't read into how acurate the film portrays it.

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911 was an inside job!

CrackerJax said:

The concept of "hell' is yet again more proof of the hijacking of the Christian religion by the church.

By examination of the Hebrew Scriptures it will be found that its radical or primary meaning is, The place or state of the dead. No eternal damanation or suffering...just a place. It also means "grave".

This got twisted by the church (on purpose) to scare the wits out of doubters. Don't forget that most ppl didn't read back then and books were only owned by the wealthy and the church.

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You're talking about the greek word, Hades. Everlasting damnation is Gehenna. Both words are translated as 'hell', if I am not mistaken. It didn't get twisted by the church. It just got mistranslated, but luckily we have the original greek texts.

CrackerJax said:

I'm sorry but I cannot look at a tiny portion of a pie and then decree that the entire thing is edible. The whole must be examined and the whole of Christianity is based on a farce. If it's the word of G*D.... then it needs to be 100% accurate.... why wouldn't it be? So the fact that there are lies, mistakes and downright nutty things in the Bible tends to make me believe it is NOT the word of G*D. Once that becomes clear to you... the rest falls into place. It's a primitive set of stories...just stories. What has been done with those stories though, should be a crime.

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These supposed 'stories', as you love calling them, predict the future!!!!

CrackerJax said:

Okay, here's a quickie, but wonderfully illustrative... i can provide many many...many more.

"Love thy neighbor as thyself?" (Lev.l9:l. Mass murder is again condoned in Exodus 32:27; in Deut. 2:15-16 and 34-36 and 3:2. No "just and right" God of true peace or love could command a massacre of innocents. These are the writings and contradictions in a religious human-inspired literature coming from the biases and values of an uncivilized warrior peoples. To call this the "inspired words" of a merciful, worthy Deity should be a base insult to even the meanest intelligence.

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INNOCENT!!????
The people that God told Israel to obliterate were far from innocent!

CrackerJax said:

Jenni, you like the Bible i can see that. In some ways you must NEED the Bible. So be it. But how much of the Bible do you really know? I will now give you a video which ONLY sources the Bible verse.....

Let's see how good of a Christian you really are...or maybe you are just another poser who likes to belong. Let's see.... let's see if you can really be a REAL Christian.

[youtube]vkXOwBIRX7Y[/youtube]

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whoever made this video has NO CLUE what Christianity and the Bible are really about. Jesus violated the sabbath. Joshua violated the sabbath. Jesus said to cast stones if you yourself dont have sin in you. You obviously don't have the whole picture. The person who made this video, and you Mr. Jax have no clue what is going on in the Bible.
The first several examples in the video are rules for Israel because God took them out of Egypt. The thinking expressed in the video is just as the thinking of the people who killed Jesus. Jesus referred to them as children of the Devil. Again, the person who made the video, and you Mr Jax, have no clue what the bible is really about and your understanding of scripture is just as bad as the people who killed Jesus.

shroomer33 said:

Classical Darwinism is as much of a joke as religion. Classical Darwinism IS a religion. You need to have WWAAAYYY more faith to believe that nonsense than the bible. The bible has tons of scientific evidence to back it up. Classical Darwinian 'evolution' has NONE.

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Oh wow, I can't believe you actually just said that.

First, there is ZERO evidence to back up the Bible, the best things you can back up the Bible with are all the different translations.

So you're saying it's very likely that a man lived in a fish for 3 days, a man was resurrected after 3 days of being dead, a man was born of a virgin, men commonly lived to be hundreds of years old, a big invisible man in the sky created all of the universe in 6 days.

But genetic mutation over millions of years of natural selection, THAT'S ridiculous!

To say that there is no evidence to support evolution is absurd. The process of evolution is a fact and it is what the Theory of Evolution is highly based on.

shroomer33 said:

I'd like to make a point here: Christianity has nothing to do with religion. IMHO, religion is mind control and slavery. Christianity is freedom from mind control and slavery.
It just happens that Mystery Babylon has taken over much of 'Christianity'.

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Oh my fuck, you just get crazier and crazier with this. The main rule in Christianity is Love God or burn in hell forever. There sure is a lot of choice in that one.

Add the fact that there is no God or hell, and it becomes that much more ridiculous.

shroomer33 said:

911 was an inside job!

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We're done...

shroomer33 said:

Just because you don't see miracles in your life, that doesn't mean that they don't happen elsewhere on the planet. And people wouldn't be shown such miracles on television cause people wouldn't believe it.

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ummmmm, so you'#re saying that something extraordinary wouldn't be put on television as it was simply toooo extraordinary..

where do you come from mate?... how do you figure that. people seems to have an easy enough time believing the crap in the bible, how would that be any different, if anything, the church, vatican, you name it, would ACTIUVELY televise any miracles that were witnessed etc, i mean they've got nothing going for them, they've been waiting 2000 years for that first bit of proof. the've probably taken the collection money to buy a private jet just so they can possibly get there to get a photo.

Someone hasn't learned multi quote...



Let me drink my coffee in peace. then I will do battle with the myth makers!

shroomer33 said:

These supposed 'stories', as you love calling them, predict the future!!!!

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so does the myan callendar apparently.....

CrackerJax said:

Let me drink my coffee in peace. then I will do battle with the myth makers!

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myth makers? how did you get here?

shroomer33 said:

I'll stick to the big bang theory.
I am also a bible believing Christian. I will also say that the big bang theory is consistent with scripture. As a matter of fact, the bible actually sheds some pretty interesting light on the big bang theory. (specifically, how the universe is 13.5 billion years old and 7 days old all at the same time. I actually taught it in a few of the undergrad physics classes I taught when we covered special relativity and quantum mechanics)

There is too much that we see in the night sky that the big bang successfully explains: the Cosmic Microwave Background and its structure, the abundances of the elements, large scale structure of the universe, etc. Any other theory will have to explain these things, and I don't see any other theories that do. That isn't to say that the big bang theory is the whole truth. But I am pretty sure that it is a big piece to the puzzle of the history of our universe.

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how come some planets spin clockwise and others counter clockwise?

fish601 said:

how come some planets spin clockwise and others counter clockwise?

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is there a reason they shouldn't? (genuine ignorance) i mean water spins either way depending on which hemisphere

tip top toker said:

is there a reason they shouldn't? (genuine ignorance) i mean water spins either way depending on which hemisphere

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not sure i was looking for an answer
but i googled it lol they say its a small chance but can happen


but i still cant figure out how there was nothing then that nothing exploded creating plants



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If you guys want to debate anything and everything that is fine, however I am not on this forum all day, every day. Therefore, I would like to stick with one subject.
Jesus. As I mentioned before, I am only here to prove that Jesus is a historical figure that did infact exist.

This is sooo easy... I can even prove your own arguments wrong with your own posts....

CrackerJax said:

Can you trust a history with one author??

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CrackerJax said:

Yes, the Bible has many authors.... ANONYMOUS authors....

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CrackerJax said:

But it was Saul's version which Constantine adopted. Old Constantine knew a good slave religion when he saw it.

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Im not sure you are understanding your own argument.

First you say it has one author, then you say it has many.

Then you claim they are anonymous authors, but a few posts later you recognize Saul as an author

WTF dude, make up your mind already.







Speaking of references, I would like to congratulate cracker on finally giving me a source. Thank you, for this FIRST TIME EVER, cracker actually gave a refference

CrackerJax said:

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.

Letter to philosopher Eric Gutkind, January 3, 1954 from Albert Einstein<----- reference, good job buddy!!!

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I do it ALL the time. Every person in history I mentioned has a reference to the original document, look it up. oh wait, you wont look it up will you? you'll just cowar away and act as if you were never presented with a question. Change the subject and run on a tangent, try to distract people from your denail. You only recognize sources when they suit your needs.
Which isnt ignorance, its called denial.

I dont really care if he did or didnt exist. His message was flawed. Look at all the confusion it has caused. It clearly speaks for itself. I find gautama buddhas message to be by far the best. Zen is the way to go. Maby thats who the christians should be arguing with over the existance of god and the bible. Tell your bible stories to a zen master. You would look like an animal chasing its own tail.

fish601 said:

how come some planets spin clockwise and others counter clockwise?

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That has nothing to do with the big bang.
That has to do with solar system evolution, of which I totally don't believe the canonical theory of. I am with you on that.
I think the difference in spins of the planets are most likely evidence of something catastropic that happened in the past, such as an exploding planet or two.

CrackerJax said:

Let me drink my coffee in peace. then I will do battle with the myth makers!

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HHmmmm, so is that your plan for the day? To sit in front of your computer and bash everyone elses beliefs into your own? Spread your hatred for other people on these forums?

Its no wonder you changed your settings to make your online status appear invisible. Cause thats all you do is sit at your computer.

You've been here for a year, and have almost 9,000 posts. I went to your prfile and searched for all your posts. Wow, you're here first thing in the morning, every morning. With more posts every afternoon. Its also the last thing you do before you go to bed. Every day!!!!

I guess its true what people say, misery loves company.

anhedonia said:

I dont really care if he did or didnt exist. His message was flawed. Look at all the confusion it has caused. It clearly speaks for itself. I find gautama buddhas message to be by far the best. Zen is the way to go. Maby thats who the christians should be arguing with over the existance of god and the bible. Tell your bible stories to a zen master. You would look like an animal chasing its own tail.

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Nor do I care what you believe. As I clearly stated before, I am not here trying to convert anyone, nor do I preach from the bible. Never one time have I done that.
I am here simply here to prove that Jesus did infact walk the earth. From a historical point of view, which I have done repeatedly

jenni8675309 said:

I am here simply here to prove that Jesus did infact walk the earth. From a historical point of view, which I have done repeatedly

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anyone who takes a honest look at history would never deny that Jesus did walk the earth.

tip top toker said:

is there a reason they shouldn't? (genuine ignorance) i mean water spins either way depending on which hemisphere

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If the theory of solar system formation is correct: that our solar system condensed from interstellar gas and debris, then all the planets should be spinning in the same direction, due to angular momentum conservation arguments.

However, if there was something catastropic that happened in the past, such as an exploding planet, then the net angular momentum of the solar system would change. Now the question is: why would a planet explode!?
IF, and this is a big IF, spinning astrophysical bodies can pull in energy from the vacuum, they may pull in enough energy to become unstable and explode.
Another explanation that I have come across in my studies is that the orbits of the planets are antinodes of standing waves originating from the sun. The prediction of this theory is that Venus, which is the only planet spinning the wrong way, (I may be mistaken here. There may be others.) will slow down in its rotation and then start to spin the 'right' way.
But who knows? The point is that solar system formation theory is very difficult to formulate. We don't understand the physics of it at all, IMHO.

jenni8675309 said:

you'll just cowar away and act as if you were never presented with a question. Change the subject and run on a tangent, try to distract people from your denail. You only recognize sources when they suit your needs.
Which isnt ignorance, its called denial.

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