These inconsiderate fucks grow your medicine...

Thread starter SpicySativa
Start date Jan 3, 2013

SpicySativa

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#21

Dan Kone said:
If you really think about it, all our water is diverted water. If you're watering your grow with water off the tap that water is likely coming from a man made reservoir. That's diverting water too.

Also most of the clear cutting in Humboldt comes from the lumber industry. The amount of wood chopped down in that county is mind boggling.

Yes, it is (mostly) true that all of our tap water is diverted from somewhere, but it's (mostly) done in a responsible manner. Man-made reservoirs are filled during the rainy season, while (mostly) leaving enough water in the rivers and creeks to allow nature to go about it's natural business. Pot farmers (mostly) use water from small creeks an tributaries between April and October, when creeks and rivers are running at their lowest levels, and are thus the most vulnerable.

SpicySativa

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#22

Moon Goblin said:
On-toppic:
-Hydro or organic- runoff causes problems in sensitive ecosystems.
"Organic fertilizers, despite the
advantages discussed above,
still release nutrients into their
surroundings; these nutrients can find
their way into local streams, rivers,
and estuaries just as nutrients from
synthetic sources do."
(http://environmentalhorticulture.umd.edu//)

This is largely dependent in whether "organic" means soluble Organics in a bottle, or plant based mulch and compost. The former creates a much larger environmental impact.

SpicySativa

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#23

brimck325 said:
most hydro guys dump used water down drain or toilet, where do you think this goes, back in environment. trust me, sewage treatment doesn't get your nutrients out.

Most modern sewage treatment plants actually do a decent job at nutrient removal, but they have a hard time with pesky hormones and birth control... Bacteria love to use up nutrients, but there isn't much motivation for them to eat (degrade) birth control...

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biglungs

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#24

this is in the news all the time up north as the main anti-mj excuse. however De-criminaliziation would kill the black market making those grows worthless

SpicySativa

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#25

biglungs said:
this is in the news all the time up north as the main anti-mj excuse. however De-criminaliziation would kill the black market making those grows worthless

Decriminalization IS the only solution. For now, all I can do is raise awareness. It's not the plant that causes the problem, it's the black market.

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Mithrandir420

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#26

Dan Kone said:
He is right. Synthetics nutrients aren't particularly good for your soil long term and if used outside for a long time they can kill off parts of the food chain. Some of the bigger commercial farms MUST use synthetic nuts all the time because they've wiped out the cultures in their soil (not just from nuts, but they play a role). Organic soil mixes improve the soil instead of harming them.

The worst thing for soil is the pesticide resistant GMO seed. The GMO seed in itself isn't bad, but the pesticides they use in combination with them absolutely annihilate all other life in the soil. We'll see in about 10 years or so a bunch of farm land that's completely unusable for the shit they are doing.

Anyone who thinks these growers are doing harm to the environment should look up Monsanto if they want to see some real damage.

It is terrible. I won't defend that. But if you think about how we live our lives that's noting. We live in houses made from clear cut forest on land that at one time was all natural forest. We eat unnatural mass produced fruits and vegetables which are really fucking up the planet, make billions of animals spend their whole lives in boxes so we can turn them into food, and drive around in cars that shit all over our atmosphere. Humans are a fucking plague. These dirty grow is bad, but it doesn't even register in the top things we do to fuck up the planet every day. That's not an excuse, growers should behave better than that, but it is a fact.

Man, don't get me started on Monsanto. I have been trying to get people to pay attention to them for YEARS.

Yes, most of our water is diverted in one way or another, especially in So Cal. But that's different that illegally diverting a tributary or stream. Oregon and nor cal supply huge amounts of timber. Huge amounts. We do indeed fuck up the planet on a daily basis. But that doesn't excuse these fuckers.

I don't grow outdoors, just not an a situation where that is possible. But if I was able to, I would likely go with some sort of soil based mix. Possibly organic. Then again I like using chemicals just to piss off the hippies.

If I had my way I would do all three... Indoors in a highly controlled enviro. Outdoors letting mother nature have at, and a greenhouse so I can harness the sun and still be indoors in a controlled enviro. Ahhh dreams...

curious2garden

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#27

SpicySativa said:
Decriminalization IS the only solution. For now, all I can do is raise awareness. It's not the plant that causes the problem, it's the black market.

Decriminalization is the game played by the growers who are trying to keep black market type profits but lower the risk. It is not a solution. The only solution to a black market is legalization not decriminalization. Read the history surrounding the Vollstead Act.

SpicySativa said:
The collective "we" created this problem by creating a market for herb. Yes, there are cartels working in CA, but there are also plenty of "medical" growers out in the hills. Do you think the dispensaries ask where/how herb was grown before they buy it? I think not. Propaganda or not, the article speaks the truth. Now it's our turn to ddo something about it.

Anyone 'guerrilla growing' on someone else's property is a thief. Whether they are thieving from a person who owns that property or from the citizens of the US by growing on our national lands. There are already laws against theft.

We ARE already doing something about this. It is called US taxes. We pay for the federal, state, county and local agencies to eradicate this rape of our collective lands. This is a direct theft from the citizens of the US as these are public lands which belong to every citizen and these guerrilla growers need to go to jail not to guerrilla grow 'organically'.

Cannabis needs to be re-scheduled and legalized. We need to focus our efforts on that. As for thieves (of anything, for any reason) they need to go to jail and in the US we already have those laws and agencies in place. So let's tell the DEA to stop focusing on the medical user and focus on eradicating Cartel's or anyone stealing from our private and public lands.

Dan Kone

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#28

SpicySativa said:
The collective "we" created this problem by creating a market for herb. Yes, there are cartels working in CA, but there are also plenty of "medical" growers out in the hills. Do you think the dispensaries ask where/how herb was grown before they buy it? I think not. Propaganda or not, the article speaks the truth. Now it's our turn to ddo something about it.

Most dispensary bud is indoor. 90-95% of what gets grown up there is exported. Most dispensaries know asking where the bud came from is pointless. There is no way to verify that. If a dispensary asked to inspect your grow before they bought your bud would you let them? I wouldn't.

What can be done about it? Not much really. Go wandering around up in those parts looking for dirty grows and you'll get yourself shot.

There is nothing that can be done here. The article has no point other than anti-grower propaganda.

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brimck325

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#29

i've worked in sewage treatment, i was told some is filtered out but they never get everything. my girlfriend worked in pharm at major hospital in us, standard procedure to pour or flush unused drugs, minus chemo, radiation, etc.

missnu

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#30

Do people really poison bears? Or is this just another branch of the anti pot smear campaigning...if these people were growing tomatoes would that be better for the environment? I mean I have never heard that everytime I start a garden that I am killing the earth...And taking water from the creek and putting it on the ground doesn't drain the water table...all the water ends up where it needs to be. I mean anytime you set up a commercial farm you are ruining the water and everything around it...Whether it is corn, or beans or anything really...so why all the fuss?

Dan Kone

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#31

missnu said:
Do people really poison bears? Or is this just another branch of the anti pot smear campaigning...

I've been to a lot of big grows up in Humboldt and Mendo. There are bears up there but I've never heard of anyone harming a bear. Large predatory animals are generally a growers friend because they keep away smaller plant eating animals that will jack your plants. I can see no reason why someone would want to poison a bear. It certainly isn't something that is common practice. Sounds like propaganda to me.

if these people were growing tomatoes would that be better for the environment?

No. And if you want to see grows that really harm the environment look no further than the vegetables on your dinner plate. What commercial farmers do is generally much worse environmentally and they do it on a much larger scale.

I mean I have never heard that everytime I start a garden that I am killing the earth...And taking water from the creek and putting it on the ground doesn't drain the water table...all the water ends up where it needs to be. I mean anytime you set up a commercial farm you are ruining the water and everything around it...Whether it is corn, or beans or anything really...so why all the fuss?

The fuss is to frame growers as bad people so law enforcement looks like they are taking bad guys off the street when they come for us.

Dan Kone

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#32

Mithrandir420 said:
S.

Yes, most of our water is diverted in one way or another, especially in So Cal. But that's different that illegally diverting a tributary or stream. Oregon and nor cal supply huge amounts of timber. Huge amounts. We do indeed fuck up the planet on a daily basis. But that doesn't excuse these fuckers.

Unless you're on a well, then you're diverting water. I don't think it really is that different other than the "illegally" part. Clear cutting large amounts of forest for a grow is pretty uncommon. I mean I'm sure you could find a case or two where that happens, but by reading the article you'd think that is how all bud is grown. Well that's not true. Seems like they are taking isolated incidents of growers behaving badly and trying to place the blame on all growers. It's a pretty shitty thing to do. Should we really get blamed for something a bunch of tweakers did in Humboldt because they happen to grow bud too?

I don't grow outdoors, just not an a situation where that is possible. But if I was able to, I would likely go with some sort of soil based mix. Possibly organic. Then again I like using chemicals just to piss off the hippies. If I had my way I would do all three... Indoors in a highly controlled enviro. Outdoors letting mother nature have at, and a greenhouse so I can harness the sun and still be indoors in a controlled enviro. Ahhh dreams...

If you're doing an outdoor grow organics is just the way to go.

SpicySativa

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#33

brimck325 said:
i've worked in sewage treatment, i was told some is filtered out but they never get everything. my girlfriend worked in pharm at major hospital in us, standard procedure to pour or flush unused drugs, minus chemo, radiation, etc.

Well, none of it really gets "filtered" out. It is biologically processed by bacteria, which uptake the nutrients (nitrates, ammonia, urea, etc, etc). The water then goes to a clarifier, where it is floculated and separated by gravity.

HTP

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#34

This fight will rage on and on.
Pharm drugs are made, because they have a very low tolerance for dose of medication and over sighted by the fda. While errors do happen, and get contaminated here and there, its for the best in its own ways. Consistency is key when dealing with the masses. Look at any fast food place.
There is no way to regulate a plant. Its a plant. Sun light, nutes, seed, breed and so on. This is why the fda is not pushing the issue. Because there is no way to control it. Its not a big pharma is trying to push us down. It is what it is. Deal with it.
Growing indoor with clones and light is about the close to the same you can get. However a lot of people and I am willing to go as far as most. Can not put forth the time and or money to grow them selfs. They are forced to buy it from clubs or the street. Then you are delt with the same issues as I stated above.
For more Constancy growing your own is the best bet I think, and chemicals I think are also the best idea to keep with the Constancy issue. You get the same thing over and over again.
I am a pro organic person just because I dont like the idea of chemicals and so on. I have a very weak system when it comes too chemicals.
I would like to point at one more funny issue with organics.
A lot of people I know are so pro organic, and yet the use BHO all the time.
Here you are using BHO all the time and some people I know only. Yet your using something made with Butane? Really?
Do what you do, and let it be people.

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Mithrandir420

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#35

I think that more than half of you don't know what the word "organic" means.

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PurpleBuz

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#36

SpicySativa said:
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/23/local/la-me-pot-enviro-20121223

Please, folks... GROW YOUR OWN ORGANIC HERBS!

Let's put an end to the environmental destruction that we all helped create....

The problem here is unsustainable bad farming practices. Its not an issue as to whether its organic or not. I could be an organic farmer with bad practices and abuse the watershed and the environment. Its easy enough pollute streams with manure runoff.

For example I run hydro ... but I do not throw away my reservoir waste water. I recycle it into my soil crops since there are still a lot of goodies in it.

Dan Kone

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#37

HTP said:
A lot of people I know are so pro organic, and yet the use BHO all the time.
Here you are using BHO all the time and some people I know only. Yet your using something made with Butane? Really?
Do what you do, and let it be people.

They use butane because of it's low evaporation temp. If properly purged there isn't any butane left.

kinddiesel

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#38

if you organic nuts cared about yield you would be useing chemical my opinion

HTP

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#39

I know why they use butane ...
And once again, this post rings true.

Mithrandir420 said:
I think that more than half of you don't know what the word "organic" means.

Kite High

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#40

Dan Kone said:
They use butane because of it's low evaporation temp. If properly purged there isn't any butane left.

and a vacuum purge is easy and effective...pure gold

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