thin and stringy

Gdub

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So heres the deal..

I got a green thumb like WHOAH!. I can grow anything anytime anyplace.

I got a mid-sized op going right now. I dont have the exact dimensions of the area at this time because its in a remote location but its divided into 2 sections a veg room and a flowering room.

each room has 2 light fixtures. a 250 watt HPS and a 400 watt MH

I take clones from 1 of my 3 mothers every week or so. they get trimmed, dipped into a rooting gel, pressed into a pete pellet, and then put straight into the dirt. I leave them in vegging chamber and water them twice a day. they always look like they die but as long as a keep giving them attention they perk back up in a week or so and seem to be just fine at that point

I leave them in the veg room until they are around 1 1/2 ft - 2 ft. then transfer them into the flowering room

in the flowering room i currently only have a few plants cause this is my first attempt at growing on this scale and i wanted to see what i was working with. The buds look incredible as far as crystals and nice long hairs. however they are thin a stringy as hell and i think my first harvest of 4 plants over 2 ft tall is gonna be pathetic.

I'm fairly certain that this is not a genetic problem with the strain do to the fact that a friend of mine us growing the same strain with better results

so i have a few ideas of what might be causing this problem but i wanted to get some input from some people who have skills greater than my own

here goes

I never transplant the clones from the pot they first go into. could this be causeing problems with the roots? ( side note I have pots of all different sizes anywhere from 3 inch to 8 inch some are clay and some are plastic. whatever i could find for free)

I use a 15-.5-.5 fertalizer for veg growth and then flush the plant for 2 weeks as it enters flowering. during flowering i give the plants a blackstrap mollasses/water mixture twice a week and only plain water on the days in between. Do I need to get a second stage fert somthing like a 10-30-20? Obviously it couldnt hurt, but would not having this cause them to grow thin?

I use miracle grow dirt with a little sand added into it for drainage. cause other than ordering it off the internet, I have no idea where i can just go and pick up some rockwool. trying to make sure i leave no paper trail behind me ya know. anyone have a suggestion for a readly available over the counter grow medium better than dirt?

I've heard that heat can also affect the growth of buds but i havent been able to find anyone that can prove or disprove this, let alone tell me if its too much heat or not enough heat that could be making em stringy

Am i just getting too excited and need to wait for the damned plant to fill in the gaps intself?

I have no doubts that the strain I'm growing can be a monster, so my basic question is this, How can I keep doing what I'm doing but make it go faster and produce a larger yield.

will post pics ASAP

time frame from clone to flower has been like 120 days which is freaking riddiculous.

I hope someone can help so thanks ahead of time

:cuss:
 

capncash

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you didnt say how long they have been flowering. they fill in a lot during the last 2 weeks. if temp gets over 85' you will have problems. you need bigger pots. i would bet nutes is not your problem. Bushmaster is a great additive for getting fat dense buds
 

Gdub

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as promised here be pics
first one is veg chamber
second is flower chamber

last 2 pics are of the plant that is furthest along in the flowering

I didnt keep any kind of journal or anything so i dont know exactly how long they've been in the flowering room my guess is i'm around week 6

while i was in taking these pictures i used an infared thermometer to check the temps. it can only tell me the surface temps not the actual air temps but the surfaces were all around the 80 - 85 F mark. I'm thinking this might be 1/2 my problem.. also per advice from the post above I took the last 2 plants i put into the flowering room and put them in bigger pots Im hoping this will make some kind of difference

and yes I know the ones in the back of the first pic look like crap cause those are the newest clones.. they'll perk right back up in a week or so

so there.. let me know if you still think its a heat and pot problem based on the pics. also let me know if a better pic from a specific angle would better show whats happening and allow for better advice

thanks much:twisted:
 

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homegrownboy

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Nice setup, i'm impressed, it's clean and neat.

What's your hummidty? Are you running any Co2?

You should be using some sort of flowering nute at this stage, look for something that has low (N) and higher (P) (K).
 

Gdub

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humidity is nice and low in the flowering room
humidity could use some boosting in the vegging room waiting until after my first cash harvest to buy a humidifier '

as far as CO2 is concerned right now i'm just using the vinnegar and baking soda method. once again only until my first cash harvest after that i'll buy a C02 pump or somthing that does a bit better of a job
 

gangjababy

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I think your green thumb could use a bit of work!
What the pH of your water? How often do you water? Next time around get a soil mix with no nutes and buy some real nutrients.
Also HPS will give you bigger nugs then a MH. Do you veg at all or just put them in 12/12 from seed.
 

Gdub

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I think your green thumb could use a bit of work!

....... You doubt the power

actually I'm in the process of researching hydroponic systems and moving away from soil completely but seeing as hydro is freaking expensive it could be a while. as far as proper nutes go, I live in the frozen north and all the flower shops in the area are closed for the winter.. so i'm kinda stuck with what i can buy at wallmart. if anyone has a product that they swear by and couldnt grow without, its name dropping time. let me know oh yes and the ph of the water is nil . I use highly filtered and purified water that goes through reverse osmosis before hand.. allthough i should probably get some ph strips just to be completely sure
 

homegrownboy

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Your hummidty should be around 50 in the flowering room.

The water you meantioned is usually a little low on the PH side I find...depending on the company that does it.
 

gangjababy

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you should still be able to still get hyponex soil at walmart, use that with 30% perlite and 1 large tablespoon of dolomite lime per gallon of mix. I use Botanicare pro grow and Bloom, that stuff works really well. If you can't find Dolomite lime, you'll need to get cal/mag. The nutes are relatively cheap considering the quality of the nugs you get. A quart of that stuff is 18 bucks and will treat roughly 23 gallons of water.
 

Gdub

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If you can't find Dolomite lime, you'll need to get cal/mag.
I'm assuming cal/mag = calcium and magnesium

if that is correct do i use the cal/mag in the same amount as the lime?

1 large tablespoon that is 1/2 cal and 1/2 mag?
 

Gdub

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so I nominate myself for ultra-newb status not only did i trim the fan leaves too soon but i over estimated the amount of time that the plant in the previous pictures had been flowering... in truth those pics are of a plant on only week 4 of flowering


so yay for me....Has anyone seen my helmet??:neutral:
 

Gdub

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read the grow faq, top left...

Yes how foolish of me.. reading the grow faq... now that would help me remember when i moved stuff around.. why didnt I think of that

I appreciate the advice you've given, but reading a grow faq is not going to remind me of the date.
 

gangjababy

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What does that mean? It seems like you don't have a basic grasp of growing, you would benefit from giving the grow faq the once-over.
 

lowryders

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GDub:
Dude dont believe everything you read in 1 grow faq's and gangjababy: not to step on toes or anything but seriously do some more research b4 giving half sided in-the-box answers here is a thread that discusses some lollipoping as its termed... all you need is a canopy the lower leaves hardly get any light penetration so its ok to trim those off and will add light to your 2nd branches where your buds are going to form... now dont go chopping off every fan leaf as yes you do need them for photosynth but 1/3 off the bottom will actually improve your yield.... I know it doesnt look like Im a grower on here with my minimal posts but I can hold my own as I just signed on to this forum....Again not trying to be a dick just stating facts... exact description on page 14 & 15 of link below

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