Hydrotech364
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I Love My Country But I am ashamed of My Government.Fuck em all especially the Black Panther's and the whole Zimmerman thing, all smoke and mirror's.I'm not sure we can keep it all together for three more year's.
This All Just Seems Too Damn Fishy...
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Doer
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You are right, you think. Unwilling to try for cogent discussion I guess. Have you slipped a gear? Assuming? I told you, I was bailed out of a major tax burden. I am just lying for effect?
WE the People are about 200 million voters. We don't give a single shit, that is what you think. We seriously don't take the humans in this world very seriously, beyond the obvious danger they present.
But, that is about how seriously we take each other on a daily basis.
Why would I be trying to convince you of anything? I thought we were past that. You try for the subtle scorn again.
Not a pipe dream for me and 200 million. BTW, this is an, up the ass pipe, for those that oppose us. You also know that.
A dream huh? What do you care what we dream? I explain the dream and you say we are dreaming as we actualize our dream
Cool trick.
Listen carefully. If this was just a dream of self rule, it would be over already. Instead, it continues.
Our Dream of full franchise self rule is just now coming into focus after 250 years.
Chronic Masterbator
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This country is falling apart. I wanna make a shirt that says." I love my country don't trust my government. But afraid we can't unify to keep it together."
echelon1k1
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See now your getting hostile because, quite frankly, you cannot back up the point you are trying to make.
You haven't had self rule since at least, for the purposes of this discussion, 1947. http://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/NationalSecurityAct
Pentagon bracing for public dissent over climate and energy shocks
I'm not going to go into too much detail about what the above implications mean for "self rule" as you put it, but one would sumise based on the current climate, that "self rule" is an idea that is, as always, just out of reach...
edit: "self rule" would also entail bringing the conspiritors, players and financeers behind presidential assasinations to justice, in a very public way...
Doer
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Hey, man I telling you what I see from here. And you are saying what you see from there. So, out of reach, so just give up.
That is the Anti-Con.
You want to say in the Pursuit of Happiness, Happiness will stay just out of reach. What, we don't know that?
I see it is Consitutional self rule and refer to Documents. You say it is not and refer to the Sophistry that makes up most of self-rule.
And if I said, OK, you are right. I won't even have to believe that. You are not here. What differnce does it make if you say I'm A Dreamer?
Do you seriously think I am the only one? Do you seriously think that 95% of US voters will say, this is NOT, self rule?
In other words, you are not in it. Yet you say the ones that are in it, 250 million of us, are dreaming.
Oh Yes. So What? Our American Dream.
Eat your hearts out, I guess. I'm not your little kid. You can't correct me on this.
echelon1k1
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Can you show me a link stating the last time voter turnout was over 80%? Apparently you haven't seen over 70% this century... So i assume you're talking about the 95% of the 57.5% of voters that turned out for the last election...
You haven't stated an position that hasn't been fundamentally flawed as yet... You can see it in the constitution all you want, your "elected" representatives DO NOT share your sentiments. In fact, the FBI actually warns that people who make references to the constitution could be considered "domestic terrorists" or some kind of anti-government subvertives...
Doer
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To me it is simple and simple it will remain.
Outside, the USA, you see only the Federal Gov'ts actions. You assume they are not directed by the will of the People.
Your are wrong. All the Feds actions are dictated by the will of the Majority of Americans. When that will changes, as it is with ganja, WE will make sure our Congress follows the Intent of the People.
And we see that. I toke all day, every day, in my State. I grow under permit. But, if I want, I run to a store nearby and get a gram of pure THC, legally.
You don't have that. You no clear way to get laws passed. You don't have actual, self rule. No Constitution, yet. Why do you want one?
Have any idea? That is why you don't get it. We do. Legal Pot. I just bought some in the self rule state of CA. The big of the Big 4 Self Rule States.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/time-to-get-real-on-cannabis-use/story-e6frg6zo-1226645144660
There is strong community support for medicinal cannabis in Australia, but no state or territory permits it.
The simple fact. You only see Fed. I only see my County. If I pay taxes and don't get drafted or run afoul of Federal Law, I can and DO ignore the Fed and all the power plays that only have one Constitutional Purpose. The Good of the Many and Force Protection. (extremely fucked up looking in practice, even to me) But, that is not my job.
I'm a Private Figure. I chase Happiness. That is my Right.
You only see what I mostly ignore, ie, the Federal Govt. And you ignore the reality of my world. ie, Santa Clara County.
So, it means, you see nothing of value, to me. You only see our force projection which our States elected the Leader of that.
No individual votes for President.
Yet, nothing but individuals vote for all else. And if no majority, brother, no win. How can you say there is no Self Rule in Counties?
The rest is Defense of the Nation and not my expertise. The States manage that National Defense stuff by who they elect as C & C. And, who WE elect to Congress influences all that.
In self rule, my voice does not extend to National Defense or Law Enforcement, except when I bend the ear of a Congressional Aid.
I have no official voice in the Executive, at all. I am not a Professional. I have no ability to understand the battlegrounds.
Very simple.
My exemplars are the Founding Docs. I don't need more than that.
Voter turn out? That also is meaningless.
No one is required to vote, like they were under Sadam and and other tin pot, so called "democracy."
Outside, the USA, you see only the Federal Gov'ts actions. You assume they are not directed by the will of the People.
Your are wrong. All the Feds actions are dictated by the will of the Majority of Americans. When that will changes, as it is with ganja, WE will make sure our Congress follows the Intent of the People.
And we see that. I toke all day, every day, in my State. I grow under permit. But, if I want, I run to a store nearby and get a gram of pure THC, legally.
You don't have that. You no clear way to get laws passed. You don't have actual, self rule. No Constitution, yet. Why do you want one?
Have any idea? That is why you don't get it. We do. Legal Pot. I just bought some in the self rule state of CA. The big of the Big 4 Self Rule States.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/time-to-get-real-on-cannabis-use/story-e6frg6zo-1226645144660
There is strong community support for medicinal cannabis in Australia, but no state or territory permits it.
The simple fact. You only see Fed. I only see my County. If I pay taxes and don't get drafted or run afoul of Federal Law, I can and DO ignore the Fed and all the power plays that only have one Constitutional Purpose. The Good of the Many and Force Protection. (extremely fucked up looking in practice, even to me) But, that is not my job.
I'm a Private Figure. I chase Happiness. That is my Right.
You only see what I mostly ignore, ie, the Federal Govt. And you ignore the reality of my world. ie, Santa Clara County.
So, it means, you see nothing of value, to me. You only see our force projection which our States elected the Leader of that.
No individual votes for President.
Yet, nothing but individuals vote for all else. And if no majority, brother, no win. How can you say there is no Self Rule in Counties?
The rest is Defense of the Nation and not my expertise. The States manage that National Defense stuff by who they elect as C & C. And, who WE elect to Congress influences all that.
In self rule, my voice does not extend to National Defense or Law Enforcement, except when I bend the ear of a Congressional Aid.
I have no official voice in the Executive, at all. I am not a Professional. I have no ability to understand the battlegrounds.
Very simple.
My exemplars are the Founding Docs. I don't need more than that.
Voter turn out? That also is meaningless.
No one is required to vote, like they were under Sadam and and other tin pot, so called "democracy."
echelon1k1
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This diagram represents the best comparison between constitutions. We only lack the 2A.
you see the above you will also recognise the executive is accountable to no one, unless you subscribe to not even half of Americans expressing accountability through a ballot box, every four years.
While you say the states are free to do as they want, which i agree with, I cannot disregard the fact the MMJ legalised on the state level has been the target of the FEDs for many years now. If it was as simple as you say it would be a moot point in regards to MJ legistlation, federally. While i don't think AUS should follow the same model as the US, thats only because as I would vote for full federal legalisation if put to a referendum or vote, i think it has shown that what can be done, now you guys just have to get the federal government in line, as i'm sure i read somewhere the FEDs have to respect any state law enacted by a majority vote... No?
In regards to voter turn out, you brought that up, i was just clarifying the numbers as 95% was a stretch...
Doer
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Sophistry. I never once mentioned turn out. I said you will never see a majority of voters agree that I am a dreamer of self rule.
I mention 95% of voters, (not turn out,) would be the high bar to prove I am dreaming.
Go get in your car and buy some legal pot. You can't. That is self rule in my County. I can. REAL.
The rest of what you say, I don't care about.
But, you challenged me as stand alone dreamer of some kind. I have a lot of Company in my County and we happen to like Pot, when many counties around here do not. This is not a State wide availability, didn't you know?
The County in self rule has to agree. The other stuff doesn't matter day to day, to me.
No way. It is the American dream of 95% of voters. It is Citizens with the Franchise, not voter turn out. You put the word in to manipulate the discussion.
Most don't even bother to vote, but they can. So what? Big issues bring big turn out. You said turn out, so you cannot correct me. Simple.
In fact I think I will buy some legal pot in my County today.
Self rule. You don't have a ratified Constitution, so drafts don't matter. We had lots of drafts. We had major re-writes before it could be signed. So will Oz.
kpmarine
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Nope, you're illogical; just because something has become obvious to someone does not mean it was always obvious. I didn't misinterpret; I read it right. You apparently just don't understand that your post is ridiculous. It's like saying "If penicillin is so obviously awesome, why didn't we discover it sooner?".
echelon1k1
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Pot legal on a state level does not equal "self rule"... MMJ is a marginal issue at best that will right itself and to parade it as the rosetta stone of self rule is sophistry my friend.
You got a source for that 95% voters?
Again, your argument is summed up by "self Rule, fuck yeah" you haven't penned a response that addresses the point. Ratified constitutions etc don't mean shit when laws are introduced that superceed the highest law of the land. Your constitutional rights have been increasingly erroded since Bush took office and to be honest, if self rule was prevalent, there are some situations in the last 10 years we quite frankly would not have seen. Patriot Act and NDAA come to mind...
Red1966
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Wait, you're claiming Reagan got 90% of the vote? I don't think so.
Red1966
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Yeah, she or her parents provide the money, she buys the groceries, the nutes for your pot, car payment, utility payments, and house payment, while you handle all the sitting in front of the computer all day and night. You really should ask her to do more around the house, she's not doing her share.
Red1966
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Rippers don't seem to care that the plants aren't ready yet. I guess they want to make sure they get their shit first.
Red1966
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There are other crops besides pot, tho not as lucrative.
Red1966
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Some guy in Orlando(?) started an electrical fire in his grow-room. The neighbors called the fire dept., but the resident wouldn't let them in. They broke down his door. And that's how his arrest got reported on the news this morning.
UncleBuck
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UncleBuck
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decided you didn't tell enough lies tonight, so you had to slip in another seven more?
say, how are your wife and kids doing red?
LOL!
I guess they were instantly suspicious when he wouldn't open the door, for all they knew he could've committed a crime far more serious than growing.
I'd imagine with some over sensitive neighbours a loud arguement with the wife would be enough to have the cops at the door, there are may ways to get caught my friend.
Doer
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Yeah, in the outlying Counties they bust grow houses, if they are big. CA typically uses the 99 plant Federal Limit. Works for me. SB420 that limited it to 8 plants was struck down by the 9th Circuit.
A couple of black guys in a 4 bedroom house garden, shipping weed back East is one thing.
But, lately and DNAPro should get involved in this side I think. ( He has been there. ) Lately there was a single White Mom and her 2 kids and she was single handedly, raising Kids and had $3M grow operation. But, it seems to be only local Compassion in a Dry County.
Pivotal Case. Lots of sympathy. Lots of tax dollars down the drain, that could be collected from this Kind Woman. Lots of Compassion lost, if she fails to prevail.
Important ruling to come, if she doesn't fold and Plea.