Tiny orange spots on leaves!!

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I had these problems growing in soil untill I started to always water them to get runoff of EC 1,4. Sometimes I had runoffs of 3,4 eventhough I have watered them plain before. I takes a little bit work and you will need around two times more water than ussual but it works for me the best. Soil tends to crash around 4th week of flowering because of fertilizing and other things happening there (root organic acid discharge, dying and decomposting old root mass and a lot others). This can be the way when you do not want or you are just not able to performing flush in its “real” meaning by using floods of water...
 
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Try to water them pHed plain water to have 10% runoff and measure EC when its more than 2,1 max than gain water step by step and measure EC step by step (0,1l runoff is one step) you want 1,4 and when you reach this than put nuts in EC 1,6 (when we talk about fotos???). When your EC is not an issue then would be probably soil pH, then you will need liquid calcium carbonate...
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holy fuck my EC was high! The run off was 2.4 so it was definitely a build up issue! I’m running autoflowers just for a bit of fun and I guess I underestimated how sensitive they are to nutes. I’m guessing it was probably both a ph and build up issue cuz ph was 6.2 and like you said that’s a bit low. I did what you said and gradually ran water through the medium testing the run off. I couldn’t quite get it down to 1.4 (it’s at 1.75 right now) but I had to run quite a bit of water through to get it there, so I’m wondering, should I let it dry out a bit and continue running water through in a couple days? Or should I just get it over with now? And also when I get the EC down to 1.4,when should I give nutes? When the soil dries out a bit? Thanks.
 
ddeck96

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Bukvičák said:
I had these problems growing in soil untill I started to always water them to get runoff of EC 1,4. Sometimes I had runoffs of 3,4 eventhough I have watered them plain before. I takes a little bit work and you will need around two times more water than ussual but it works for me the best. Soil tends to crash around 4th week of flowering because of fertilizing and other things happening there (root organic acid discharge, dying and decomposting old root mass and a lot others). This can be the way when you do not want or you are just not able to performing flush in its “real” meaning by using floods of water...
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sorry meant 2.6 not 2.4. And also, meant to ask, how long do you think it’ll take for the plants to bounce back and recover from this?
 
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ddeck96 said:
holy fuck my EC was high! The run off was 2.4 so it was definitely a build up issue! I’m running autoflowers just for a bit of fun and I guess I underestimated how sensitive they are to nutes. I’m guessing it was probably both a ph and build up issue cuz ph was 6.2 and like you said that’s a bit low. I did what you said and gradually ran water through the medium testing the run off. I couldn’t quite get it down to 1.4 (it’s at 1.75 right now) but I had to run quite a bit of water through to get it there, so I’m wondering, should I let it dry out a bit and continue running water through in a couple days? Or should I just get it over with now? And also when I get the EC down to 1.4,when should I give nutes? When the soil dries out a bit? Thanks.
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Google says 1,2-1,8 in week
ddeck96 said:
holy fuck my EC was high! The run off was 2.4 so it was definitely a build up issue! I’m running autoflowers just for a bit of fun and I guess I underestimated how sensitive they are to nutes. I’m guessing it was probably both a ph and build up issue cuz ph was 6.2 and like you said that’s a bit low. I did what you said and gradually ran water through the medium testing the run off. I couldn’t quite get it down to 1.4 (it’s at 1.75 right now) but I had to run quite a bit of water through to get it there, so I’m wondering, should I let it dry out a bit and continue running water through in a couple days? Or should I just get it over with now? And also when I get the EC down to 1.4,when should I give nutes? When the soil dries out a bit? Thanks.
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Let them dry out and than plain pHed water and again watch the runoffs EC thats what I would do...
 

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ddeck96 said:
sorry meant 2.6 not 2.4. And also, meant to ask, how long do you think it’ll take for the plants to bounce back and recover from this?
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This damage wont recover you can only stop it spreading when you do it fast and good.
 
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I just wonder how you can have such a “big” runoffs pH when you have so much food in it??? It ussually drops slightly below 6,0 sometimes even more when you go this EC...
 
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I just wonder how you can have such a “big” runoffs pH when you have so much food in it??? It ussually drops slightly below 6,0 sometimes even more when you go this EC...
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sorry I totally made a mistake when I said 6.2. I was running 6.6-6.7 ph water through it and it came out at 6.2. So it was most likely like 5.8 or so. My bad.
 
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This damage wont recover you can only stop it spreading when you do it fast and good.
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sorry, what I meant by recover is when will the plant not be locked out anymore and start growing “normally” again. I know the leaf damage will never recover.
 
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sorry, what I meant by recover is when will the plant not be locked out anymore and start growing “normally” again. I know the leaf damage will never recover.
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I can not say how long it takes and probably nobody knows. But you will be happy not seeing to spread it to your sugar leaves, than you do not need to worry about potency. Taste will be worse but you can cure it to the premium taste, it only takes a litlle bit longer. Good luck
 
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I can not say how long it takes and probably nobody knows. But you will be happy not seeing to spread it to your sugar leaves, than you do not need to worry about potency. Taste will be worse but you can cure it to the premium taste, it only takes a litlle bit longer. Good luck
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okay cool, that’s a relief. Thank you A TON for taking the time to help me, you’ve been very helpful.
 
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Also check your pH and EC meter for calibration. Its weird to me
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okay cool, that’s a relief. Thank you A TON for taking the time to help me, you’ve been very helpful.
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no problem, hope it will helps and you will end with nice stuff. Next grow water them more and less frequent, let them dry properly between and you will avoid a lot of stress.
 
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Also check your pH and EC meter for calibration. Its weird to me

no problem, hope it will helps and you will end with nice stuff. Next grow water them more and less frequent, let them dry properly between and you will avoid a lot of stress.
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*More water and less frequent
 
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*More water and less frequent
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oh yeah, not sure if you read my earlier post but you were right, Ph was more like 5.7-5.8. And alright, I’ll do that for sure. Definitely gonna grow photos next time. Autos are way too finicky. Also, I assume you mean give it a higher volume of water, but less often? Does that includes when I feed?
 
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oh yeah, not sure if you read my earlier post but you were right, Ph was more like 5.7-5.8. And alright, I’ll do that for sure. Definitely gonna grow photos next time. Autos are way too finicky. Also, I assume you mean give it a higher volume of water, but less often? Does that includes when I feed?
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Be careful with feeding specialy autos need less nuts than fotos and smaller plants in big pot also need to feed later (after the roots fit the whole pot and use all of the nuts in the soil). There is no reason to be ashamed of watering once a week, when it needs to take this long (big pot, led light, watering for adjusting pH and EC levels...) you only need to dry it out properly between and thats important the most, because when you will not be patient, you are risking root problems. You should definitely go nuts-water-nuts or maybe better nuts-water-water-nuts. When you will go to water next time, prepare to get the same results as you got yesterday, only with the difference, that you will be able to reach lower levels of runoff faster (with less water used, but it will still be runoff somewhere around 0,5 - 1,5 litre of the volume. As I wrote, I would water it (small flush if you want to hear it) untill I will get EC 1,2 (for autos) and when I will get this value I would immediatelly go nuts on EC 1,3... when you do this, you can bet you will see evertime you go water the same results and you will already know what to do and you will be always do the same and never run to big issues because you are refreshing the soil environment. As I said its a little bit more work and time, but when you get to know and understand what is happening there, it will become routine...
 
ddeck96

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Bukvičák said:
Be careful with feeding specialy autos need less nuts than fotos and smaller plants in big pot also need to feed later (after the roots fit the whole pot and use all of the nuts in the soil). There is no reason to be ashamed of watering once a week, when it needs to take this long (big pot, led light, watering for adjusting pH and EC levels...) you only need to dry it out properly between and thats important the most, because when you will not be patient, you are risking root problems. You should definitely go nuts-water-nuts or maybe better nuts-water-water-nuts. When you will go to water next time, prepare to get the same results as you got yesterday, only with the difference, that you will be able to reach lower levels of runoff faster (with less water used, but it will still be runoff somewhere around 0,5 - 1,5 litre of the volume. As I wrote, I would water it (small flush if you want to hear it) untill I will get EC 1,2 (for autos) and when I will get this value I would immediatelly go nuts on EC 1,3... when you do this, you can bet you will see evertime you go water the same results and you will already know what to do and you will be always do the same and never run to big issues because you are refreshing the soil environment. As I said its a little bit more work and time, but when you get to know and understand what is happening there, it will become routine...
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Awesome. Thanks a ton man. Will definitely do that.
 
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Bukvičák said:
Be careful with feeding specialy autos need less nuts than fotos and smaller plants in big pot also need to feed later (after the roots fit the whole pot and use all of the nuts in the soil). There is no reason to be ashamed of watering once a week, when it needs to take this long (big pot, led light, watering for adjusting pH and EC levels...) you only need to dry it out properly between and thats important the most, because when you will not be patient, you are risking root problems. You should definitely go nuts-water-nuts or maybe better nuts-water-water-nuts. When you will go to water next time, prepare to get the same results as you got yesterday, only with the difference, that you will be able to reach lower levels of runoff faster (with less water used, but it will still be runoff somewhere around 0,5 - 1,5 litre of the volume. As I wrote, I would water it (small flush if you want to hear it) untill I will get EC 1,2 (for autos) and when I will get this value I would immediatelly go nuts on EC 1,3... when you do this, you can bet you will see evertime you go water the same results and you will already know what to do and you will be always do the same and never run to big issues because you are refreshing the soil environment. As I said its a little bit more work and time, but when you get to know and understand what is happening there, it will become routine...
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so I flushed one of my plants and got it down to 1.4 EC, a few days later I ran a tiny amount of water through side of the pot and then run off was 750 EC. So I gave it a feeding of half strength nutes (650EC) And then I few days later I watered to check run off again, and it was 300 EC, so I gave it a feeding of 1.0 EC nutes. However the deficiencies are still spreading, and they’ve spread to a few sugar leaves. Am I doing something wrong? why is it still spreading?
 
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ddeck96 said:
holy fuck my EC was high! The run off was 2.4 so it was definitely a build up issue! I’m running autoflowers just for a bit of fun and I guess I underestimated how sensitive they are to nutes. I’m guessing it was probably both a ph and build up issue cuz ph was 6.2 and like you said that’s a bit low. I did what you said and gradually ran water through the medium testing the run off. I couldn’t quite get it down to 1.4 (it’s at 1.75 right now) but I had to run quite a bit of water through to get it there, so I’m wondering, should I let it dry out a bit and continue running water through in a couple days? Or should I just get it over with now? And also when I get the EC down to 1.4,when should I give nutes? When the soil dries out a bit? Thanks.
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6.2 runoff is not “off” enough to worry about. When it gets more than 1.0 off then you know things are getting funky. Just my opinion
 
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so I flushed one of my plants and got it down to 1.4 EC, a few days later I ran a tiny amount of water through side of the pot and then run off was 750 EC. So I gave it a feeding of half strength nutes (650EC) And then I few days later I watered to check run off again, and it was 300 EC, so I gave it a feeding of 1.0 EC nutes. However the deficiencies are still spreading, and they’ve spread to a few sugar leaves. Am I doing something wrong? why is it still spreading?
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You finally got a drop in EC/ppm and you go stick nutrients right back in? No break for the plant huh?
 
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