To Turn or Not 2 turn, when and how ? Strain/stretch advanced perverted training

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Bill Wilson

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All right a vert forum. I only do vert, I find it easier, more productive and easier to maintain. I am almost done with my second grow with 15 different strains from the upmost stretch of tangerine haze to the squatty Burmese.

I did not turn this grow and I grew into a plastic trellis to keep away from bulb. I used bamboo stakes. green wire to train the smaller indicas. I have noticed there is a divide on whether to turn or not to turn. I am going to surround the light with a 4 foot cylinder fence or surround the plants in fence and turn them.

What do you guys do? I use 15 gallon airpots so Its not hard to turn. I heard of a dj using old turntables hooked up to a timer..ha ha.
 
smokinrav

smokinrav

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Turning your plants reduces yield? I can't think of a single reason why that would happen. Sounds like a myth to me.
 
Becorath

Becorath

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The only thing I can think of where this would be true is if the plant puts more energy into moving leaves than into producing buds. But I would think the increased light to all bud sites would offset that by more yield.

My .02
 
gh0staaa

gh0staaa

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If you turn your plant, she is going to exert energy redirecting her shoots to the newly placed light source, which could potentially take energy away from producing buds...

If you do not turn your plant, you can train most shoots to the "front", either by using some stakes, a screen, or something similar. You can see my journal in the vert section for an example of the screen option.

Some people who run vertical bulbs and trees in the tic tac toe type configuration do sometimes alternate lights at the beginning of cycles (so the light is not too intense on the young-ins) or if heat becomes an issue.. which could be akin to turning your plant, and they are able to pull massive yields.

It seems like a lot of hassle turning all of your plants all the time, but if you are up for it, you should give it a try both ways and report back!

Either way, good luck!
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Beansfranklin

Beansfranklin

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i turn mine 1/8 everyday to give my buds even light, but thats because i have cfls going down the sides, my next grow i'll try cutting the smaller stems for clones and only keep the stems that are in front of the lights.
i don't want to hijack the thread but i'll just post a couple pics to show u what i mean.

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smokinrav

smokinrav

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gh0staaa said:
If you turn your plant, she is going to exert energy redirecting her shoots to the newly placed light source, which could potentially take energy away from producing buds...

If you do not turn your plant, you can train most shoots to the "front", either by using some stakes, a screen, or something similar. You can see my journal in the vert section for an example of the screen option.

Some people who run vertical bulbs and trees in the tic tac toe type configuration do sometimes alternate lights at the beginning of cycles (so the light is not too intense on the young-ins) or if heat becomes an issue.. which could be akin to turning your plant, and they are able to pull massive yields.

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That makes no sense at all. Pure speculation.
 
dtp5150

dtp5150

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i would be completely surprised and speechless if it was ~scientifically~ proven that turning ur plants reduces yield.
 
SirLancelot

SirLancelot

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I rotate mine every watering/fed. I dunno if it helps but I figure the parts away from the light are getting like 3000lumens less so it wouldn't hurt to let them get some.

Also i don't know but i was under the impression that the buds don't need the light it's the leaves. they are the energy factory the buds are just the product. maybe someone can clarify that one.
 
dtp5150

dtp5150

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im pretty sure photosynthesis to some degree happens on anything thats green.....and in particular leaves....sugar leaf or fan leaf
 
Beansly

Beansly

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I don't think it literally hurts the plant to turn it. Just that it seems like th plant is wasting time adjusting to the new light angle instead of concentrating on the ones that are already accustomed. Like you have these big bud factories running on full speed facing the light, then sudden you turn the 90 or 180 degrees out of the light. It sounds like it might be plausible.
I don't just pull the info out of my ass, I got it from some other vert growers.
Totally unscientific but possible to me. I'd have to do some experimenting before I believe anything though.
 
ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ

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gh0staaa said:
If you turn your plant, she is going to exert energy redirecting her shoots to the newly placed light source, which could potentially take energy away from producing buds...

If you do not turn your plant, you can train most shoots to the "front", either by using some stakes, a screen, or something similar. You can see my journal in the vert section for an example of the screen option.

Some people who run vertical bulbs and trees in the tic tac toe type configuration do sometimes alternate lights at the beginning of cycles (so the light is not too intense on the young-ins) or if heat becomes an issue.. which could be akin to turning your plant, and they are able to pull massive yields.

It seems like a lot of hassle turning all of your plants all the time, but if you are up for it, you should give it a try both ways and report back!

Either way, good luck!
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thats true but your over estimating the energy to move leafs. plants outdoors have to turn there leafs all day everyday. and lst has to turn entire branches and iv seen some beastly lsts
 
gh0staaa

gh0staaa

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ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ;6658237 said:
thats true but your over estimating the energy to move leafs. plants outdoors have to turn there leafs all day everyday. and lst has to turn entire branches and iv seen some beastly lsts
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That may be so - I do go on to say that people do things similar to rotating, like flip flopping lights in big rooms, and they do very well. I've seen spinning tables that spin the plants constantly around a vertical bulb that the manufacturers claim is the holy grail... I just think manually spinning a bunch of plants will be a lot of extra work while the results (without actually adding extra lights) could be negligible. I may be wrong - it may be much like a light mover would increase your yield some... depending on your room, though, it could be a lot of work.

I would love to see a side by side done to see what the difference would be, if any.
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Thedillestpickle

Thedillestpickle

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Beansfranklin said:
Put a lazy susan under every pot. you can diy pretty easily.
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thanks for the idea... a lazy susan is exactly what I need, I want to have my plants do one full rotation over the 12 hour light period. typed DIY motorized lazy susan into google and got some good inspiration, now I just need to hit up the hobby store and a get myself some lazy susans
Im going to go with my gut feeling on this and hope the rotating helps the plants even though there is some serious speculation happening here.

do you think IF there is a negative aspect to spinning your plants,THAN it will be the same whether you do your spin daily at 1/2 turn, 1/4 turn, or 1/8? and will it also have the same negative effect if you have a motorized lazy susan doing a 360 over 12 hours?
 
jigfresh

jigfresh

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I'm with Beansly. No proof either way. And about plants moving for the sun... the sun going from east to west is totally not the same as a light source spinning around your plant. If you were working a solar panel to be in the sun it would have to go from what 60 degrees off horizontal in the morning to 60 degrees the other way, so maybe 120 degrees of motion on a single axis, while spinning the plant (in a vertical setup) would require 360 degrees of motion.

Sorry I was only thinking about vertical, becuase that's what I do. If you spun your plants in a regular light above setup, then it would be much like the sun moving over them.
 
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