TORR POWER SAVING VEG METHOD

Getting better. Sitting in the 7R 310's and working is OK.... getting ready for beer crops....

Doing lots of fresh veggies this year also...... Demand will be high.
Glad my son's are home and working the farm too.... Our state is shut down and at least we get away with being a necessary business. All hands on deck as we scramble to shift food production gears.

BBL

This is a very interesting discussion, and I look forward to learning more. Thanks to RangiSTaxi for starting this, and thanks to all who have contributed!

I would love to try replicating the results and clarifying which red(s) are required or allowed for this effect to work, and which genetics respond best or at all. All toward understanding the underlying processes, regardless of whether it leads to efficiency gains. For now I remain an observer, but a very interested one!

viewer1020 said:

This is a very interesting discussion, and I look forward to learning more. Thanks to RangiSTaxi for starting this, and thanks to all who have contributed!

I would love to try replicating the results and clarifying which red(s) are required or allowed for this effect to work, and which genetics respond best or at all. All toward understanding the underlying processes, regardless of whether it leads to efficiency gains. For now I remain an observer, but a very interested one!

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For you Viewer1020 @viewer1020

Here is some Alaskan Purple Fem seeds from Seedsman in progress under the Torr Method.

The Top Leaves are a bit yellow because my light is too close , and are yellowing a little due to extreame light intensity, but im trying to max light penetration and intensity down to the very lowest buds, ill raise the light in 4 days and the top leaves will green up again.
This will be one solid block of buds in 3 weeks.

RangiSTaxi said:

Here is some Alaskan Purple Fem seeds from Seedsman in progress under the Torr Method.

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That is a very beautiful sight!

How long ago did these sprout?

viewer1020 said:

That is a very beautiful sight!

How long ago did these sprout?

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germination was somewhere between 5-6 weeks ago. There is 5 plants in that 4x4 tent in one shallow tray. These have not been trained or topped at all, naturally bushy strain it seems, but they have had 1 leaf defoliation.
Plan to do Gelato #33 by Advanced Seeds in this tent next.

Alaskan Purple 6 days later from last update above

Some Purple Colors Now Appearing.

Gelato #33 by Advanced Seeds
This Tent (tent 1) is not Torr Method, From now on I will be using Normal 24 hours veg for 2 weeks and then flip to 12/12.
I will continue documenting some of my grows for interest only, strain reviews etc
This tents was flipped to 12/12 about 7-9 days ago after 2 weeks veg.
There are 4 plants in this tents, fem seedlings.
Im feeding potassium silicate with this grow, in the water, hence a few nutrient spots on the leaves from watering can , otherwise basic garden potting mix in a 15cm deep tray.


This tent is almost ready for a heavy leaf defoliate.

Here is the last tent (tent 2) (undocumented, previously unseen until now ) that i will do with the Torr method to be harvested in a week or so, Alaskin purple and Kosher kush? i think?(left over seeds),as you can tell tent 2 has had no care, the seeds to replace them in this tent have popped up now and are
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I will hold these seedling under a 40watt led bar until tent 2 is harvested in a week or so.
At the point of transplant, they will be stood up vertical, so no worries.
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nice pics, how come this seedlings grew vertical? You had a wire mesh close to them perhaps?

Kassiopeija said:

nice pics, how come this seedlings grew vertical? You had a wire mesh close to them perhaps?

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do you mean the gelato 33 ,no thats just how they grow naturally, no mesh , no tipping , no training, thats just how they grow.

Im guessing you mean horizontal.
if you mean the just germinated seedlings, they fell over due to the fast growth but lack of light,the stems are weak and the tops too heavy,
...but fear not they will be fine once they go in a tent with more light and get planted deep and upright.. its all good, all my plants are started like this but they end up fine, its just my germination lights fairly weak.. and i probably had it a bit too high initially.. but it makes no difference in the end.

Update during a leaf defoliation, i found 1 of the 4 plants of Gelato #33 by Advanced Seeds was a early stage hermie,(rear left)
I have cut this plant out and destroyed it, it has left a big hole in the tent canopy, very disappointed in this, and may not buy these seeds again as they are obviously not stable.
I may have to do some plant bending on the remaining 3 plants to try fill in the tent canopy. this will significantly affect this tents production.

WOW. this is very innovative.

Skewbong said:

WOW. this is very innovative.

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Cheers, yeah its been really interesting, certainly surprised me , was initially meant as a power saving veg method, until the plants started flowering under it, hopefully someone else will pick up on it and give it a try, Thanks for following along.
Im starting to wonder if some of these varieties that are faster flowering strains, say less than 8-9 weeks have some recessive auto genes in them and some how the Torr method triggers these otherwise recessive genes so that these photoperiod strains infact flower under 24 hours of light(12 red 12 white)=24 hours light?.

You're deffinately on the right track to something interesting, and yes I will be following along, I'll probably try at some point, too many projects currently. Good luck man!

RangiSTaxi said:

Update during a leaf defoliation, i found 1 of the 4 plants of Gelato #33 by Advanced Seeds was a early stage hermie,(rear left)
I have cut this plant out and destroyed it, it has left a big hole in the tent canopy, very disappointed in this, and may not buy these seeds again as they are obviously not stable.
I may have to do some plant bending on the remaining 3 plants to try fill in the tent canopy. this will significantly affect this tents production.

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That's shit. Bend em low, man

T macc said:

That's shit. Bend em low, man

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yeah it sucks when you find a hermie, shit happens, yeah ill try bend them down low to fill in the gaps, but ive used a high dose of potassium silicate, http://flairform.com/products/additives/silikamajic/, so the stems are now rock hard stiff and brittle so it won't be easy.

Now that Potassium silicate brand is the best on the market, normal dosage is 0.2ml/L and ive been using 1.5ml/l , pretty hard to over dose with Potassium silicate but yeah ive probably been a bit over excessive, so bending will come to bite me in the bum now as these stems are thick and as hard as glass. stick to the recommended rates peeps lol. always use potassium silicate after bending, to set stems in place, never use it before bending.

RangiSTaxi said:

Update: during a leaf defoliation, i found 1 of the 4 plants of Gelato #33 by Advanced Seeds was a early stage hermie,(rear left)
I have cut this plant out and destroyed it, I Now have to do some plant bending on the remaining 3 plants to try fill in the tent canopy.

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T macc said:

That's shit. Bend em low, man

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From This

To this, Defoliate and Hard Bend down low, Fill in light space, after 1 hermie plant removed

Far left corner now filled in, where hermie plant was removed and destroyed.

T macc said:

Bend em low, man

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@T macc low enough? lol
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looking good RangiSTaxi, theyll recover swiftly.

Kassiopeija said:

looking good RangiSTaxi, theyll recover swiftly.

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hope so haha

RangiSTaxi said:

Im guessing you mean horizontal.
if you mean the just germinated seedlings, they fell over due to the fast growth but lack of light,the stems are weak and the tops too heavy,
...but fear not they will be fine once they go in a tent with more light and get planted deep and upright.. its all good, all my plants are started like this but they end up fine, its just my germination lights fairly weak.. and i probably had it a bit too high initially.. but it makes no difference in the end

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yes horizontal indeed, somehow mixed that up. If you bury the stem under ground itll form roots out of it.

Ordered 125w of IR lamps (heat lamps) which should also gleam darkred - just more "broadbandish" than a 730nm mono diode.
Gonna hang them into the small tent for the night phase. Just to see the effect, because the heat alone could as well be responsible for a better growth ... (btw Rangi you got tropical climate over there?)

Re:genes
if the autogene trait would kick in (its given in the graph p.4) you wouldnt be able to *reveg* such a plant. Nor would they react to changes in the daytime length lightcycle... Test could be on a flowering branch, cut and put under 24h light diff chamber...