Total Noob using teas and I am a believer

Nizza

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this guy also talks about when making ceed, he forces the hermies to show themselves with a 2 hour dark period, a link is here https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/24-48-hours-of-dark-before-harvest.38943/#post-677918

if you take what i said into account, he is saying there's no extra THC but you may have some sort of "placebo effect"
i disagree to an extent, i think there is more chemical, such as CBDS whatever, and that makes the high more complete

that pure THC pill shit isn't effective, because it's lacking the full spectrum of the chemicals, I feel as if the high from darkened buds are better because they have more of everything (if you do in fact, get a higher amount of overall potency )

but he does make a great point about it helping with chlorophyll and whatnot, I always chop right before lights on (if there is a lights on ) or after a dark period
you can go up to two weeks dark period, I really don't know if it makes a difference

anyone that doesn't want to read what he put up , here's his summary of it all, after he provides a cited quotation from a book
"Just says that a drop in proteins (flushing) along with degradation of chlorophyll (light deprevation) triggers ripening and finishing processes in the plant. If resin production is one of these outcomes in cannabis is as of yet unproven."


go to the link anyways, they have a really nice "photo of the month"
i'll post it up for the lazies tho :)
 

st0wandgrow

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I've done side by side comparison a hundred times. It works. Plants know they are dying so they push out more resin as a by product of trying to produce seeds so their lineage can live on. They are not pollenated so instead the calyx swell and resin
increases. Obviously you never tried it....
I'm not questioning if it helps increase levels/potency in some way. It very well could. I'm questioning your claim of "two to three times". Are you suggesting that if I harvest one cut from the exact same plant during lights on it will test at it's typical 15% THC, but if I harvest it's genetic replica after 48 hours of darkness it will test "two to three times" higher at around 40%??

I don't need to try it to know that's complete nonsense.
 

Nizza

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ok so i meant to say 2 days dark period on the post above, and meant to also include that he did it mid-flower.

also wanted to mention RIU isn't letting me edit my posts for some dumb reason, they must be making changes or something..
I would have included that all on one post..
anyway , if you guys wanna stop by i'll be updating my grow soon, I plan on introducing liquid nutes soon, I was gonna try and go organic but no $ and i have some dyna gro foliage pro

it should be up within the hour, here's the link https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/773447-nizzas-3x-15-gallon-feminized.html

any input is greatly appreciated, and hoping you all like my chamber, i put my heart into it!


st0w, by resin production we aren't saying overall resin, were talking about day-by-day resin production, like the amount of new resin added that day.
i'm sure it would be a really low %, like .5% going up to like 1.5% for a day or something (to give some figures, not realistic numbers)
 

hyroot

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I'm not questioning if it helps increase levels/potency in some way. It very well could. I'm questioning your claim of "two to three times". Are you suggesting that if I harvest one cut from the exact same plant during lights on it will test at it's typical 15% THC, but if I harvest it's genetic replica after 48 hours of darkness it will test "two to three times" higher at around 40%??

I don't need to try it to know that's complete nonsense.
Reread , I said resin . Not thc percentage or potency. It's like when you use uvb. theres a blanket of trichomes where there is usually none. Thc increases from uvb about 3% to 5% but there is 5 - 10 times more trichome production when using uvb . That barely increases percentage. My plants right now, the amount of trichomes I see have doubled in the last few days. I was referring to the amount of resin, not its potency
 

st0wandgrow

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reread , I said resin . not thc percentage. its like when you use uvb. theres a blanket of trichomes where there is usually none. thc increases from uvb about 3% to 5% but there is 5 - 10 times more trichome production when using uvb . that barely increases percentage. My plants right now. the amount of trichomes I see have doubled in the last few days
Please define resin
 

st0wandgrow

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ok so i meant to say 2 days dark period on the post above, and meant to also include that he did it mid-flower.

also wanted to mention RIU isn't letting me edit my posts for some dumb reason, they must be making changes or something..
I would have included that all on one post..
anyway , if you guys wanna stop by i'll be updating my grow soon, I plan on introducing liquid nutes soon, I was gonna try and go organic but no $ and i have some dyna gro foliage pro

it should be up within the hour, here's the link https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/773447-nizzas-3x-15-gallon-feminized.html

any input is greatly appreciated, and hoping you all like my chamber, i put my heart into it!


st0w, by resin production we aren't saying overall resin, were talking about day-by-day resin production, like the amount of new resin added that day.
i'm sure it would be a really low %, like .5% going up to like 1.5% for a day or something (to give some figures, not realistic numbers)

That I could believe. That's not what hyroot seems to be claiming though........
 

st0wandgrow

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trichomes, oils, etc...
OK, so within the glandular head of the trichome, resides the active compounds .... thc being one of them. If you're claiming that there is a two to three times spike in trichomes, then you're claiming that there is a two to three times spike in active compounds .... thc being one of them. Or are these empty trichome heads??
 

hyroot

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That I could believe. That's not what hyroot seems to be claiming though........
again im referring to the amount of resin not the potency.. you hid guys just maybe havent seen it without proper spectrums low par and very low cri and 10% - 20% usable light
 

hyroot

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OK, so within the glandular head of the trichome, resides the active compounds .... thc being one of them. If you're claiming that there is a two to three times spike in trichomes, then you're claiming that there is a two to three times spike in active compounds .... thc being one of them. Or are these empty trichome heads??
when you yield 2 zips one one plant and 3 zips on another does the potency increase with 3 zips


again more amount not increase in potency. it has been proven led thc is higher than hps by up to 5% and uvb the same.
 

st0wandgrow

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again im referring to the amount of resin not the potency.. you hid guys just maybe havent seen it without proper spectrums low par and very low cri and 10% - 20% usable light

What is the point in more resin (more trichomes) if there isn't a corresponding increase in potency (THC)? Bag appeal?

This is setting aside the fact that you can't possibly have an increase in trichome heads without having a similar increase in THC.
 

st0wandgrow

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when you yield 2 zips one one plant and 3 zips on another does the potency increase with 3 zips


again more amount not increase in potency. it has been proven led thc is higher than hps by up to 5% and uvb the same.
Of course not .... but that's not what you're claiming.

Yes or no ....... If I have two identical clones from the same mother plant, I will get two to three times more trichome coverage on plant "b" that was given 48 hours of darkness prior to chop?
 

hyroot

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What is the point in more resin (more trichomes) if there isn't a corresponding increase in potency (THC)? Bag appeal?

This is setting aside the fact that you can't possibly have an increase in trichome heads without having a similar increase in THC.
more hash. stickier buds. better bag appeal
 

Nizza

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he already answered your question , with a No , I think you misunderstand the difference between resin production and resin overall
resin is a vague term of describing all of what he said, the stuff we care about such as THC and whatnot, (i still need to do studying) can be expressed in %'s , and resin is composed of all of it

i think you need to re-read and realize that he's not saying what you think he is
 

st0wandgrow

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he already answered your question , with a No , I think you misunderstand the difference between resin production and resin overall
resin is a vague term of describing all of what he said, the stuff we care about such as THC and whatnot, (i still need to do studying) can be expressed in %'s , and resin is composed of all of it

i think you need to re-read and realize that he's not saying what you think he is
I'm understanding perfectly fine what he is saying. He's saying that I will end up with two to three times more trichomes on my plant if I give it 48 hours of darkness before chop. That may not be what you're saying, but it's absolutely what he's claiming.

With that said, how do you increase the trichomes by two to three times, but not increase what is inside of the those trichome heads by the same amount? Maybe you can explain that one to me.
 

st0wandgrow

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I have had flowers and concentrates (hash) tested at a lab. A plants flowers that typically tests at 15% THC will have the hash taken from that same plant test at 40%+ THC.

But even leaving THC out of the equation, it's equally as ridiculous to claim that a plant given 48 hours of darkness will produce 3 times the trichomes. Meaning that if I typically yield 5 grams of nice hash from an ounce of bud, now I will magically get 15 grams of hash from the same strain. Pure hyperbole.
 
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