trace the roots of your politics

Do you remember the major forces that shaped your politics? When did it click?

The Iraq war mistake made me a Democrat. But I still go either way depending on the issue. I actually can't believe that most people ID with either party. Can't we have our own ideas on individual issues?

burgertime2010 said:

Do you remember the major forces that shaped your politics? When did it click?

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I woke up one snowing morning, the chestnuts were roasting over an open fire and realized I was being fucked in the ass by Ronald Reagan. At that point, as a kid, I said to myself, "Self... don't ever get fucked in the ass by another Ronald Reagan again."

burgertime2010 said:

Do you remember the major forces that shaped your politics? When did it click?

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rock n roll is all u need...its all right there and set to music...
then b sure to have good smoke to help keep you from becoming violent in response to the truth etc...
(of course im talkin old time rock n roll)

My parents were both democrats, true Kennedy worshipers.
Like my parents, living in California, I also leaned left, this continued all the way through college and a few years after.

After starting a business I became indirectly involved in local politics and eventually it made me more interested in politics in general.
I took notice that the overwhelming majority of unfriendly business laws and regulations were coming from the left side of our legislature, the choice then became a no brainer to me, I became a fiscal conservative.

I rarely get involved in social policies, but I do consider myself pretty moderate in that arena.

First on the books pay check , seeing how the goberment steals close to 1/2 my money

Then seing bolth my parents working 40+ hours a week to hope to make ends meet, but the people up the road in section8 and public houseing that have never had a job in their lifes but drive new cars get their kids free breakfast, lunch, soup kitchens, and rape the rest of the social programs

I think the anger that the conservatives I knew early on seemed to have was repellant to me. All the least appealing aspects of life seemed conservative like war, Christianity, big business, and with that I leaned to just issues. The need to have disability and the importance of social programs in my life made sense that I be a democrat. It was not a hard choice.

see4 said:

I woke up one snowing morning, the chestnuts were roasting over an open fire and realized I was being fucked in the ass by Ronald Reagan. At that point, as a kid, I said to myself, "Self... don't ever get fucked in the ass by another Ronald Reagan again."

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[video=youtube;K8FQTucDxi8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8FQTucDxi8[/video]

Gonna send those welfare bums right back to work
Gonna start a war before 84
Start a dirty war in El Salvador
Gonna start a war before 84
Gonna back the contras and apartheid
Gonna start a war before 84
Then I'll win the election by a landslide

Ronnie and Mags, Maggie and Ron
Let's get together build a neutron bomb
(Ronnie and Mags)
Maggie and Ron, Ronnie and Mags
Let's go to Grenada and glorify our flags

Could a private Dodge shut down some mines
Gonna start a war before 84
Feed a slice of cake to Bobby Sands
Gonna start a war before 84
Spend a holiday in the Falklands

(Maggie and Ron)
Ronnie and Mags, Maggie and Ron
Gonna get the hostages from Iran
(Ronnie and Mags)
Maggie and Ron, Ronnie and Mags
Let's go to Grenada and the Falklands

Don't stop

Ronnie and Mags, Denis and Mags
We know exactly who is wearing the pants
(Maggie and Ron)
Denis and Mags, Maggie and Ron

Let's have a force and build a neutron bomb

Not sure if my comment is relevant but anyway here it is, I had no interest in politics until I read a book called Escape from Camp 14 (I think was 14 or something), and then a blog about South Africa, on the same day, my head nearly burst and but I finally chose a side and I have been reading ever since. That was about a year ago or so. Thats why I am so intrested in American politics's, ours is shaped around yours and Brtitans from what I can gather. The similarities are pretty scary at any rate.

burgertime2010 said:

I think the anger that the conservatives I knew early on seemed to have was repellant to me. All the least appealing aspects of life seemed conservative like war, Christianity, big business, and with that I leaned to just issues. The need to have disability and the importance of social programs in my life made sense that I be a democrat. It was not a hard choice.

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I don't know when or where you grew up but every protest I witnessed came from angry liberals.
Come to think about it, as a kid I remember watching news clips about demonstrators yelling, spitting and trowing things at American Veterans coming home from the Vietnam war. I can't recall any conservative groups back then expressing so much anger, violence and hatred towards our men who fought for our country.

I also remember my parents being against the war back then but never once did they say a derogatory word towards the men fighting it.

beenthere said:

I don't know when or where you grew up but every protest I witnessed came from angry liberals.
Come to think about it, as a kid I remember watching news clips about demonstrators yelling, spitting and trowing things at American Veterans coming home from the Vietnam war. I can't recall any conservative groups back then expressing so much anger, violence and hatred towards our men who fought for our country.

I also remember my parents being against the war back then but never once did they say a derogatory word towards the men fighting it.

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So, as a child, you watched protests of the Vietnam War, and were somehow able to identify these protestors as the libtards you continue railing against 40 years later?

You don't remember conservatives groups ever doing anything so vile as protesting the war, so clearly it didn't happen?

Your parents never said anything derogatory against the military to you, their child?

Cool Story Bro! I'm glad that as a child, you had such an impressive understanding of the war and the civil unrest it caused.

I can't make such claims. When I was a kid, I did things like watch cartoons and ride my bike. The biggest worry I had as a child wasn't a war, it was my father finding out I fucked up one of his tools, or that he would notice I hadn't finished my chores.

Conservatives were happy with all the vile shit our gov't did. They never protested any of it. Once a black man became president, all of a sudden there's a tea party.

I feel like a boat adrift on the ocean. I have no affiliation with either American party. Why the fuck do they even call it a party, not much fun going on,

There is so much corruption on both sides of the aisle. We should release all prisoners and throw every politician in jail.

bioWheel said:

The Iraq war mistake made me a Democrat. But I still go either way depending on the issue. I actually can't believe that most people ID with either party. Can't we have our own ideas on individual issues?

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Congratulations on being one of the very small minority of voters on whom EVERY election is decided.
For most people Party affiliation is TRIBAL and often inherited from parents or a geographic location.
People who are open minded enough to be SWING VOTERS are the only ones who actually vote on the issues, rather than mindlessly following the usual tradition.

The real truth is, even if one "side" had unadulterated control with no chance of interference from anywhere, there would not be a damn thing different than it is right now.

The system as a whole has built and solidified the disunity within to such a level as to render it irreparable. With that said, comes the dawn of a new age of government. I have no idea wtf it will be like, but one thing is for certain, it will not be anymore for the people than it is right now, more than likely far worse.

I sincerely hope my time here has passed before such a day.

Peace

Asmallvoice

travisw said:

So, as a child, you watched protests of the Vietnam War, and were somehow able to identify these protestors as the libtards you continue railing against 40 years later?

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Actually, I wasn't able to identify them as liberals until I was older, jeeze, I would figure anyone with half a brain could figure this out.

travisw said:

You don't remember conservatives groups ever doing anything so vile as protesting the war, so clearly it didn't happen?

Your parents never said anything derogatory against the military to you, their child?

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No, I don't recall any conservative groups spitting and yelling at returning vets, if you have something you want to share, please do.
And negative again, I don't remember my parents ever saying anything bad about the troops, my father was a war veteran himself.
However, they were both against the war, I do remember that.

travisw said:

Cool Story Bro! I'm glad that as a child, you had such an impressive understanding of the war and the civil unrest it caused.

I can't make such claims. When I was a kid, I did things like watch cartoons and ride my bike. The biggest worry I had as a child wasn't a war, it was my father finding out I fucked up one of his tools, or that he would notice I hadn't finished my chores.

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Well, I wasn't talking about my biggest worries growing up, they certainly were not the Vietnam war my friend, it wasn't even me worrying about my next baseball game getting rained out or, my big brother beating the shit out of me for GP, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I don't remember them, have anymore straw men?

beenthere said:

Actually, I wasn't able to identify them as liberals until I was older, jeeze, I would figure anyone with half a brain could figure this out.

No, I don't recall any conservative groups spitting and yelling at returning vets, if you have something you want to share, please do.
And negative again, I don't remember my parents ever saying anything bad about the troops, my father was a war veteran himself.
However, they were both against the war, I do remember that.





Well, I wasn't talking about my biggest worries growing up, they certainly were not the Vietnam war my friend, it wasn't even me worrying about my next baseball game getting rained out or, my big brother beating the shit out of me for GP, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I don't remember them, have anymore straw men?

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They were spitting on them cause they burnt villages down with the woman and children still in them, and didn't have the balls to stand up and say no to an order like that, pretty much spitting on cowards, or are these your war heroes?

Hazydat620 said:

They were spitting on them cause they burnt villages down with the woman and children still in them, and didn't have the balls to stand up and say no to an order like that, pretty much spitting on cowards, or are these your war heroes?

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So you're saying every returning veteran burnt down villages with women and children in them, really?
Or did the protesters know which veterans to spit on?
And you condone this?

Calling draftees babykillers was misdirected angst. It is tragic that such things happened but it was actually not as common as people think. Still, it was fucked up. There were a lot of veterans protesting too.

LIBERTYCHICKEN said:

First on the books pay check , seeing how the goberment steals close to 1/2 my money

Then seing bolth my parents working 40+ hours a week to hope to make ends meet, but the people up the road in section8 and public houseing that have never had a job in their lifes but drive new cars get their kids free breakfast, lunch, soup kitchens, and rape the rest of the social programs

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Way to be a stereotype MethChicken.