Diskokobaja
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Speaking and writting are two different things... Snowflake
trump leaves 4 american troops to die in niger
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Speaking and writting are two different things... Snowflake
SneekyNinja
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UncleBuck
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why are obvious foreigners concentrating on a specific political message still?
are these unemployable losers still at it with their disinformation campaign?
SneekyNinja
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He says its sad to brag about proper English, I tell him I speak French fluently but see no point in mentioning it and he tries to go after that too.
I don't even know if he's a Russian troll, just a stupid person who doesn't realize how stupid they are.
TacoMac
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The uneducated always do. They actually believe that ignorance and stupidity are qualities to be worn like a red badge of courage. It's no big surprise that they are the ones who support the right wing. After all, they're stupid enough to believe everything they're told by those idiots even in the face of them doing the polar opposite in practice.
It's a sad existence for them. The horrifying part of it all is that because they are ignorant, we too are affected.
Diskokobaja
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No Im just playing your autistic game...
Justin-case
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Hmm, interesting, what do you know about this discophobia?
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/the-real-reason-donald-trump-wouldnt-acknowledge-u-s-soldiers-killed-in-niger-it-was-a-russian-military-op/5584/
see4
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So their deaths are justified because we didn't overthrow a government? Your logic is profoundly stupid.
see4
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Your use of this article is a red herring. The fact is your president was busy golfing and tweeting while he let American soldiers get ambushed and die in Niger. Where is your cry for impeachment? Shouldn't your president be locked up?
These fine men were Special Warfare Operators. That puts them in a UCMJ class that only pertains to Special Operations.
When the Army says No Man left behind, what they really mean is, no DEAD Americans will be left in a foreign land. Special Operators are flown in and left for months, years, in places all around the world. They are literally a Army of Operators inside a Army of Soldiers.
Contrary to popular media publications they were NOT left there to die. They were ordered there, and given all the tools a Special Operator is uniformly given, to DEFEND THEMSELVES. They subsequently were killed in the line of duty. The media paints a picture like Trump personally flew them there and pushed them off a plane to die savagely. While I hold no glory or respect for Trump, he is not to blame for the tragic loss of these fine men. Why they were there, and what interest they were serving is another subject.
When being sworn in, you are swearing to obey ALL ORDERS, of the Chief in Command....and the Constitution ...it is inherently contradicting at times.
Not for nothing I am an active duty soldier assigned to 2-14th Inf , 10th Mountain Division...Ft. Drum NY. In my three years here, I have never crossed the path of a Spec Ops. And they are here , big time. This base is the 2nd largest in the world, and is THE premiere facility for high elevation training and extreme cold weather training. 10th Mountain is home to the largest body of SO in the WORLD.
Lastly, I do not want to speak for them, but I would believe that these warriors did not want anyone to come for them, and also perish.
RIP Warriors
When the Army says No Man left behind, what they really mean is, no DEAD Americans will be left in a foreign land. Special Operators are flown in and left for months, years, in places all around the world. They are literally a Army of Operators inside a Army of Soldiers.
Contrary to popular media publications they were NOT left there to die. They were ordered there, and given all the tools a Special Operator is uniformly given, to DEFEND THEMSELVES. They subsequently were killed in the line of duty. The media paints a picture like Trump personally flew them there and pushed them off a plane to die savagely. While I hold no glory or respect for Trump, he is not to blame for the tragic loss of these fine men. Why they were there, and what interest they were serving is another subject.
When being sworn in, you are swearing to obey ALL ORDERS, of the Chief in Command....and the Constitution ...it is inherently contradicting at times.
Not for nothing I am an active duty soldier assigned to 2-14th Inf , 10th Mountain Division...Ft. Drum NY. In my three years here, I have never crossed the path of a Spec Ops. And they are here , big time. This base is the 2nd largest in the world, and is THE premiere facility for high elevation training and extreme cold weather training. 10th Mountain is home to the largest body of SO in the WORLD.
Lastly, I do not want to speak for them, but I would believe that these warriors did not want anyone to come for them, and also perish.
RIP Warriors
rkymtnman
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i think you are overlooking the hypocrisy of the GOP. they wanted SOS Clinton hung for treason for Benghazi 10 minutes after the attack. 12 days after this ambush, trump and gop finally make a peep only after they were called on it. where are the calls for Tillerson to be ousted?
Perhaps. I am not arguing for or against your statement. I am arguing against the propaganda that these men where just lost and forgot about in Niger. Frankly, that of UncleBuck. Your a gay Jew( I have no problem with that)....you know nothing about the military and especially special warfare operators. All of these warriors had 5+ years in Spec Ops. I don't agree with much that trump has to say or actually "tweet", but as a infantryman soldier I know what he means when he said " These men knew what they were doing"...and they knew the chances of shitting going south quickly.
50% of Spec Ops soldiers die within 5 yrs of assignment over the last 16yrs. Its the worst job any human could have, and they embrace the suck like no others. They are the elite of the elite. They meet their match, and lost. Even Goliath falls.
The army has an "other than honorable" avenue for those who want out. These men obviously didn't take that route and carried thru with the orders they were asked to do. Anyone of them could have said....nah, I am a objector now and want out completely. But they didn't. They were brothers, and warriors. They lived together, battled together, and died together. Those facts do not pertain to the GOP in any way, shape or form.
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rkymtnman
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i'm not military but from what i've read there are 2 problems where the gov't failed them:
1. assumption that this was a low risk area when the French needed a massive operation in this same area a few years ago. they were riding in the back of a pick-up truck
2. air support was 20 minutes away where an evac might have saved some of them after the ambush
I would direct the blame at the Army and DOD to be precise.
The Army has failed miserably in many regards of support of its own. This is just one case in a sea.
Spec Ops assume the worse at all times. They really don't leave a margin at all for politicians to make strategic errors. What the French did and What American Spec Ops do...are just two different things, that can not be compared.
The Afghani's decimated the Russians, who assumed they would have a quick and easy victory....just like the Americans assumed. I have 18 total months in Khandahar...I assumed the worst, and lived to see otherwise. What my family members went thru in Vietnam is nothing to what I encountered..
Air Support is not a genie in a bottle. Historically they make errors, and it is always civilian paying the price.
The Army has failed miserably in many regards of support of its own. This is just one case in a sea.
Spec Ops assume the worse at all times. They really don't leave a margin at all for politicians to make strategic errors. What the French did and What American Spec Ops do...are just two different things, that can not be compared.
The Afghani's decimated the Russians, who assumed they would have a quick and easy victory....just like the Americans assumed. I have 18 total months in Khandahar...I assumed the worst, and lived to see otherwise. What my family members went thru in Vietnam is nothing to what I encountered..
Air Support is not a genie in a bottle. Historically they make errors, and it is always civilian paying the price.
UncleBuck
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they left one dead guy there for two days though.
UncleBuck
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rkymtnman
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i'd start at the top with the Commander in Chief who says he's smarter than the Generals.
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whitebb2727
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Speaking, writing, you fail at both. You claim your stance to be the better one but you can't even use your native language right. Lol.
How is anyone supposed to take you serious?
Go on about how its a pot site and proper grammar and spelling are not important.
It shows your lack of intellect and laziness.
I am dyslexic. I still take the time to try and form a proper sentence. I take the time to make sure my post are coherent.
Make excuses and talk down to people, all the while making yourself look stupid.
whitebb2727
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What's an active duty person from the 10th doing on a pot site?
I got friends in the 10th.