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Trump/Russia v. Clinton/DNC

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Padawanbater2, Nov 6, 2017.

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    Unclebaldrick

    Unclebaldrick Well-Known Member

    intentionally so
     
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    Bugeye

    Bugeye Well-Known Member

    Step aside as minority leader.
     
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    Bugeye

    Bugeye Well-Known Member

    The party needs to get rid of ridiculous trolls like you as well!
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

    That's such a weak position. "The majority in your district keep you in office, so, resign." "The Democratic Party's caucus in the House prefers you over others so, resign your leadership position."

    The Sanders movement is nascent. It has a lot of appeal to progressives, including me. The nearly continuous demand that people who aren't part of the movement must resign is unappealing. If they start winning elections, then they won't have to demand that the will of the majority should be subverted.

    Simple
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    the republicans need to completely disown pussified racists like you and stop enlisting hostile foreign countries to steal from americans.

    white supremacist shitbag.
     
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    UncleBuck

    UncleBuck Well-Known Member

    we get it, women who get shit done and are good at their jobs are a threat to you, old fat white.
     
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    schuylaar

    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    citation:lol:
     
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    schuylaar

    schuylaar Well-Known Member

    I Marched With Bernie.jpg
     
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    Fogdog

    Fogdog Well-Known Member

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    Padawanbater2

    Padawanbater2 Well-Known Member

    I don't. That's why I still supported Clinton despite all the bullshit her and her campaign pulled
    Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. Less than 100K votes in states in the Rust belt are what handed Trump the nomination. States suffering from economic depression, states that had previously voted for Obama. How can you argue the same voters who voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 are racist for voting for Trump in 2016?

    It was obviously not about race for those that actually tipped the election in those states. It was about their paycheck, their rising prices and lower wages. The minimum wage has been stagnant for 40 years, more than half the country lives paycheck to paycheck and can't afford an emergency that cost more than $1,000 if something comes up. This is the wealthiest country in the history of the Earth and people are upset about the wealth and income disparity. Progressives are busy highlighting this issue while establishment shills are busy trying to justify it.

    This is why they lose elections
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    One minor correction; the AVERAGE wage hasn't risen in almost half a century; the minimum wage has been consistently falling behind even that;
    wages-productivity-decoupled.jpg


    The top one in a thousand now owns the equivalent wealth of the bottom 900 put together. That kind of wealth disparity destroys civilisations and ours is not immune.
     
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    SneekyNinja

    SneekyNinja Well-Known Member

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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    Awwww, u mad slander boy?
     
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    tangerinegreen555

    tangerinegreen555 Well-Known Member

    The SAME voters didn't vote for Obama, the STATES voted for Obama.

    I hear these Trump assholes everyday.

    Using the N word, saying confederate statues erected right after the 1964-65 CRA & VRA should stay because they're 'historical', saying Muslims and Mexicans should be shot. No way in hell they voted for Obama, their state voted for Obama while they seethed for 8 years and jumped on the birther band wagon.

    There isn't exactly a depression in my state or the other two.

    A lot of people didn't vote at all, or for a 3rd party. The non voters let the deplorables have a voice.

    There's a dozen reasons why Trump snuck in. Former Obama voters switching to Trump is not the reason, that's fake news.
     
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    Unclebaldrick

    Unclebaldrick Well-Known Member

    Have you read this?

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...rump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800
     
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    tangerinegreen555

    tangerinegreen555 Well-Known Member

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    Unclebaldrick

    Unclebaldrick Well-Known Member

    Nitwits For Life.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

    I don't live in any of those states, but I've personally spoken to voters who told me they voted for Obama and then Trump because they saw Clinton as unacceptably beholden to corporate influences.

    It didn't make sense to me, so I asked them why they made that choice. The response was always that they were choosing their perceived best agent of change.

    I'm not at all convinced that everyone who voted for Trump did so for racist reasons; that's a convenient canard offered by Democrats who don't want to admit that they have been doing a shit job of representing average Americans.

    Americans have been voting for change for decades, and have been increasingly frustrated that they haven't gotten it. This partly explains the phenomenon of Trump.

    In this article,
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/04/dawn-of-the-dead-why-american-politics-cant-be-reformed/

    I've excepted a few paragraphs that I think speak to the frustration of the typical American voter;

    "Soon after he entered office Donald Trump abandoned the populist rhetoric that got him elected and began pushing programs that benefit connected plutocrats. Soon after he entered office Barack Obama abandoned the populist rhetoric that got him elected and began pushing programs that benefit connected plutocrats. Soon after he entered office Bill Clinton abandoned the populist rhetoric that got him elected and began pushing programs that benefit connected plutocrats. Astute readers may detect a pattern here."

    Further down;

    "The 15% (yes, the same 15%) of the country that finds the ‘Russia stole the election’ story relevant is undoubtedly the target audience for Mr. Schumer’s ‘Better Deal’ talking points. Reminder: when Democrats last held the White House and both houses of Congress they passed a Republican health insurance sales scheme while bailing out Wall Street. To wit, Hillary Clinton earned $21 million giving speeches to Wall Street after Wall Street killed the global economy. Unless national Democrats are suggesting that Russian operatives wrote Mrs. Clinton’s speeches to Wall Street, the ‘lesser’ classes appear to understand this corruption and who does, and doesn’t, benefit from it just fine."

    The whole article is worth the read.

    The American people want change and haven't been getting it. They're increasingly willing to vote for anyone who promises it, no matter how questionable their credibility. This, much more than 'racists!', explains why the current occupant of the White House got there.
     
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    ttystikk

    ttystikk Well-Known Member

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    Unclebaldrick

    Unclebaldrick Well-Known Member

    You are giving them too much credit. They are racists. They judge the success of Trump by the number of liberals it pisses off and the number of white supremacists he emboldens.
     

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