Trump/Russia v. Clinton/DNC

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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How is Clinton's joint fundraising agreement with the DNC that was issued before the Democratic primary concluded not direct evidence of rigging the election?

What is it, your definition of the word "rig"? To rig something means to make a fair contest unfair in your favor. How is one party buying the DNC - the organization responsible for organizing a fair election - specifically to ensure Hillary Clinton would win not rigging the election?

Someone like Putin or Trump has every reason under the Sun to highlight this epic scandal since anything Democrats fuck up on is used as ammo towards their own crazy narratives. It doesn't mean the validity of said scandal is any less true, and it especially doesn't mean that progressives like myself who vocalize said scandal(s) are doing it to help them out. I vocalize these things because I actually care about democracy.

Doing things like rigging the Democratic primary are what add fuel to the right wing fire. Reporting on them accurately and objectively is an honest journalists responsibility, regardless of the outcome.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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captainmorgan said:
The country is going down the toilet and all you can do is whine that Bernie wasn't treated fair, get a fucking reality check.
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What's the fundamental difference between a party rigging the vote and ignoring the will of the people and a foreign power doing the same?

Geography, nothing more.

Your obsession with the Russians is cover for the idea that DNC malfeasance is somehow more acceptable when in fact it's exactly the same behavior with exactly the same consequences; voter disenfranchisement.

I'm wondering when you're going to address that instead of waving and pointing and shouting, 'but but but but Poooootin!'
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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captainmorgan said:
Boo fucking hoo, life's not fair.
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So it's actually acceptable that our 'democracy' is rigged and thus ignores the will of the people who exercise their constitutionally protected right to vote?

Are you fucking kidding?

Why bother with the sham at all, then? Why not just let Sheldon Adelson, the Koch smokers, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg just sit down and take care of it for us? Hey, what could possibly go wrong? o_O

After all that's pretty much what you just advocated, in slightly different terms. You just said you don't care if the process is fair- so long as your team wins.

@Padawanbater2 and I are advocating for this quaint concept called FAIRNESS- along with others we Americans like to say we stand for, like JUSTICE and EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. If you aren't a fan of that, then why are you even in this section? Nothing you say or do would make any difference at all.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
So it's actually acceptable that our 'democracy' is rigged and thus ignores the will of the people who exercise their constitutionally protected right to vote?

Are you fucking kidding?

Why bother with the sham at all, then? Why not just let Sheldon Adelson, the Koch smokers, Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg just sit down and take care of it for us? Hey, what could possibly go wrong? o_O

After all that's pretty what you just advocated, in slightly different terms. You just said you don't care if the process is fair- so long as your team wins.

@Padawanbater2 and I are advocating for this quaint concept called FAIRNESS- along with others we Americans like to say we stand for, like JUSTICE and EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. If you aren't a fan of that, then why are you even in this section? Nothing you say or do would make any difference at all.
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histrionicky
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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schuylaar said:
+rep :clap:

shame on you @captainmorgan.
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I don't think he's any less of a patriot or even wrong for being concerned about foreign influences in American politics.

There's a bigger picture to consider;
  • Is it better or acceptable that our democracy is threatened by internal corruption as opposed to the influences of potentially hostile foreign powers?
  • Can we learn lessons about the American habit of meddling in foreign elections- including those of Russia?
  • What does fairness in our electoral process look like?
  • How can we as the citizens of this nation- the ultimate authority, according to our ideological beliefs- help our government better represent the needs of all of us?
Maybe we need less shaming and more compassion for the concerns underlying the views expressed.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
washongton state.

hillary wins 56-44 among 800,000 voters.

bernie walks away with 47 more delegates than hillary.

boy, that sure was rigged for hilalry, eh? you sure do give a shit about the will of the people, eh?

lying fucks.
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I was referring to the influence of policies like Citizens United.

But misrepresent away, as it seems you can't debate honestly anyway.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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UncleBuck said:
if you gave a shit about democracy you'd actually address the fact that bernie netted 47 delegates in washington state while losing the vote to clinton by 56-44 you dishonest little sniveling bitch.
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Wyoming went for Bernie but the delegate count went for Clinton. There are plenty more examples.

All this does is confirm the unfairness and corruption of the super delegate system.
 
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