jonnynobody
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You are the original article dude. And no, that's not a compliment.
Uh OH.. COURT RULES! NO DISPENSARIES(DRUG HOUSE FRONTS)
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Thank you.
Corso312
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lol you ARE A DOPE... how about everyone grows as much as they possibly can whether you have a card or not..who gives a fuck? abiding by these bullshit laws will get nowhere man... i laugh at you and the handful of clowns who have their card and want everyone to fall into line so not to rock the boat..fuck that
There you go folks... just another fine example of the reason why you will never progress in the MMJ laws. Thank you sir, for making my arguments concrete.
randomhero1
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r1tony, alot of your arguments have merit, but where you lose people is your attitude. If you could get your point across in a non-derogatory manner then maybe more people would listen to you. I have a hard time listening to ANYONE that has the attitude you do, even if what they're saying is intelligent and cohesive. Just some food for thought...
jamiesname
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Sure, but I decided to stop candy coating things awhile back when the idiots flooded in.
If you would stop in and notice that most my "harsh" or "direct assholeish" comments are directed more towards the idiots that post here. Take your time and read the responses and whom they are directed too, I am sure you will realize that my responses are more thought filled, more authentic and direct then derogatory as you stated.
Sad state is that the MMJ laws in Michigan are a mess and the patients made it worse, now they have to just deal with what comes of it now.
Sometimes people don't like to see or hear the truth, can we do something about it? Sure. Immediately? No.
I am sure if you are serious and serious supporter, you can visit any printing shop and get a few thousand made up for the cheap. Just copy it down verbatim and tell the printer you want it on postcard stock, probably 25 bucks or so. Doubt you are serious though and doubt it makes any sort of difference at all.
Murfy
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tony-
what do you do for a living?
my grandpa used to say "don't swing the hammer, nothing gets done". it would seem you have a very expensive, can't do attitude.
nothing is impossible for me.
in my life there hhave been very few "losing battles".\
even when i have lost, i am stil la winner.
what do you do for a living?
my grandpa used to say "don't swing the hammer, nothing gets done". it would seem you have a very expensive, can't do attitude.
nothing is impossible for me.
in my life there hhave been very few "losing battles".\
even when i have lost, i am stil la winner.
randomhero1
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There are idiots on any board on the net. Ive been on quite a few as i like to research my hobbies utilizing people who have lived what i want to do. I just think you're an intelligent dude tony, hate to see what you say detrimented by the way you say it.
jsteezy1290
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i hope you michigan people get all that growing in while you can i dont see you guys a legal state for very long at all
jonnynobody
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If you have nothing to contribute of substance to this thread, why are you trolling through here with that nonsense while offering no explanation or reasoning on your point?
jonnynobody
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You had a couple of snide things to say in your response to my previous comment, so I hope you're not calling me out as one of the "idiots". If so, please support your claim with quotes so we can clear up the matter and move forward.
Tony, perhaps if the legislature would have done their job when the law was passed and implemented common sense regulations then we would not be in this mess, right? But you continue to blame the patients and certain people abusing the law. Let me give you an education on how our system of government works since you seem to be lacking the specifics and jump to blaming the patients every chance you get:
It's the legislature's job to represent the will of the people and implement necessary regulations that provide the proper oversight to make the MMMA work more efficiently for the patients that the initiative was meant to protect. This entire situation is a result of an ineffective state government that refuses to work with the will of the people and do the job they were hired to do. This mess is not due to patients or caregivers; it's due to a biased legislature that is hell bent on doing all that they can to repeal the initiative by unnecessary over regulation rather than doing what they can to improve the way the system works and weed out the undesirable people who are abusing the law.
Don't for one second try and convince us on this forum that this situation is the patients' fault that by trying to ignore the obvious politics that are involved in this matter. A majority of our currently elected public servants occupying our state government (including judges) do not like marijuana whether it's medical or not, so it's quite safe to assume they are extremely bias on the subject. Do I even need to bring up law enforcement's bias? I'm fairly certain they're not happy that we just took 100,000 people out of their potential bread line (i.e. $ court system $) to make money off of. They make upwards of $1000 in fines to support their corrupt crooked system for an individual simply being in possession of a marijuana roach not to mention the standard probation (i.e. more blood $$$). Now there are 100k people free to travel with 2.5 ounces as a simple patient and caregivers able to transport 15 ounces who cannot be charged with a crime. You think for one second that makes the brass happy? Again: Politics at play, not public safety.
These are the same people that tried the same old tired propaganda and railed against the initiative prior to it's passage and they are the same corporate cronies who are railing against the initiative now that they didn't get their way. One must wonder why the legislature failed to do their job and make the law workable by listening to legitimate patients' concerns and the public in general. As far as the people who are trafficking marijuana under the guise of medical marijuana, that's law enforcements job to investigate and prosecute those people, so you can stop spreading erroneous information with your claims that this disorganized mess is the patients' fault. This is what happens when you have an ineffective government that has no interest in listening to the overwhelming majority of it's citizens by making the law more workable through the legislative process thereby protecting the patients and our communities.
Tony, I invite you and everybody else to read up on how colorado has made their medical marijuana program work better than any other state that has implemented mmj laws. They accomplished this by implementing appropriate regulation and abiding by the will of the people. They have done a great job of weeding out the criminals and things seem to be going terrific for colorado residents, so why can this not be done here in michigan?
I'll tell you why, a horrible bias amongst our elected officials who have ignored every opportunity to address the issue at hand and now, like chicken little, they're claiming the sky is falling. I don't believe the sky is falling but if that were the case, it would be the legislature's fault for not doing their job and proposing common sense regulations that would improve the program and eliminate a large majority of the criminal element that has surfaced.
Don't fool yourself tony, this is a fight against the establishment, their corporate campaign donors, the law enforcement industrial complex, and their 1930's reefer madness ideology. This is about money and control, not about public safety or protecting patients' rights.
I am stubborn man, and have a bad attitude towards idiots. I know I am an ass, but I accept me for whom I am. I could care less how idiots see me, but the decent users I would. I do try to tone down most of my posts and probably do, because if I didn't half my posts would be censored out.
I appreciate the comments, sometimes I let angry help fuel my passion and that sometimes is detrimental to my point. I do see you're point and often seen it myself but usually say oh !@&! it they are an idiot. Peace brother.
Johnny:
Government do their job? I mean what do you want to open the flood gates off the get go with MMJ laws? Like any illegal substance trying to become legal there are trial, errors and easy procedures to ease it into mainstream laws. They did that by giving us an inch (which was a major step forward) but the idiots in MI took 3 feet and still do even though the end is near.. its quiet sad. I cannot comment on you CO laws or patients but I assume its the same everywhere, sad the human race is so predictable no matter what region.
Anyways... I never stated you an "idiot" or any other derogatory comment as I haven't seen you post, but if you one off like you did I will make a general rebuttal as well. I didn't go back and look but if I did unbeknownst then please except my "apology" I was in a post rage when you posted earlier. I agree its a fight like no other, David and Goliath no doubt, except our David is loading his slingshot with mushed peas then shooting.
How can you protest and fight for something you have handled so @*!&!* badly in the first place... it's like asking a bank for a loan after you just robbed it for a quarter million. Sure we will give you more...
jonnynobody
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Tony, I feel your frustration with the abuses that are going on right now with the mmj program. I understand there are plenty of scuzzy people getting their cards just to grow, sell, and make money and it makes me sick. I believe law enforcement will take care of these people in due time as should be done. This is about compassion and assisting sick people with a safe alternative medicine, not about making money and that's what people need to start understanding. People charging $400 for an ounce of weed is NOT compassion and not the original intent of the law. I'm not opposed to people asking for a reasonable donation in exchange for their meds to cover the costs of the equipment, electricity, and time that it takes to produce medical quality mj ,but certain people are just pushing the boundaries of the intent of the law and that I do not agree with.
When I heard that michigan had a medical marijuna law upon moving here, the last thing that came to my mind was to grow pot so I could make money. I thought it was just a phenomenal opportunity to have the freedom to grow your own meds without worrying about the law wanting to lock you up. In a nutshell, I think we share similar views on what is happening in the state right now but there's no reason to lash out at the entire community as if everyone is breaking the law. BTW Tony, "they" didn't give us a damn thing so please don't give undue credit to our state government; the citizens of this state gave us that right.
Also, no need for an apology but I do appreciate you extending an olive branch this way. I look forward to having more lively discussions with ya man. Maybe just keep in mind that we're not all a-holes saying overgrow the state; some of us are actually sensible
