Under Educated Doctors

trippingballs

trippingballs

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How is it that super educated doctors especially doctors like the neurologist I saw the other day, understand completely that our nervous system depends greatly on the endocannabinoid system yet totally decry cannabis as an alternative to prescribed poison?

WTF is wrong with them. Is it defective education?
 
bongmaster_m

bongmaster_m

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Socialist medicine + socialist education = teach and preach the narrative or GTFO

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that certain doctors partake and still don't prescribe it.
The whole system is top->down and we are just cattle to the people up top.
We'll be getting monsanto OG GMO marijuana™ stuffed into our troughs when the directives do come down from the enlightened Canadian intelligentsia.
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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trippingballs said:
How is it that super educated doctors especially doctors like the neurologist I saw the other day, understand completely that our nervous system depends greatly on the endocannabinoid system yet totally decry cannabis as an alternative to prescribed poison?

WTF is wrong with them. Is it defective education?
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Doctors are about the stupidest people on the planet. Although defective education may be a contributor, most people who choose to practice medicine are defective to begin with. Fuck em all, treat yourself - live longer.
 
The Hippy

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They may be smart enough to get though med school and residency but.....they are not necessarily smart on life or other things. I have found they are focused only on one thing....I'm a doctor...don't question me. Being smart at one thing doesn't indicate they know much on other things. Some do...many don't. They feel they are already " educated " and they know it all now.
They are rather narrow sighted imo.
 
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cookie master

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I have a cousin in law going to med school. The whole conversation is which field pays the most for the least work- its gross to hear his family talk about his future, no integrity whatsoever. His mom works hard- as the biggest drug dealer in town working 20 hours per week as a walgreens pharmacist. She sells drugs that are resold every day, but shed be on my case if she knew I smoked weed.
 
BobCajun

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Doctors are pretty brainless generally. You could easily get more knowledge from a google search on your own condition than giving doctors money for their shitty opinions. They don't have time to keep up with new developments. And the endocannabinoid system is only starting to get researched. Nobody really knows that much about it yet. Damn sure the average GP won't know shit about it. With the current state of knowledge, we don't even know if it's safe to manipulate the endocannabinoid system by dosing it with outside substances. They know it seems to help certain conditions, at least short term. Could make people more vulnerable to certain types of cancers and infections.
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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There have been countless studies done on the endocannabinoid system and doctors have a duty to keep up with medical breakthroughs.Unfortunately the piles of reference papers for new pharmaceuticals take up all of their reading time cause that's where they make their money. The patient needs or most effective/ least harmful medication take a back seat to the big pharma bribes. I need to update several certifications every year, in part to learn about new technologies and techniques. Ignorance is not an excuse particularly when it comes to a person's health. Any doctor claiming ignorance of the endocannabinoid system and the use of cannabis is either lying, lazy or working for big pharma. Most are all 3.
 
GroErr

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CalyxCrusher said:
You can thank prohibition. Cannabis and all its accompanying medical info was removed from the pharmacopoeia as a result. Thus the lack in cannabis education. Now Doctors have to seek it out and learn it for themselves.
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Which they should be doing if they got into medicine to help people. As mentioned in some posts already, many are in it for the money with no regard or interest in their patients. My family doctor is a rare breed in that game. He's in it because it's his passion to help people. Keeps up with whatever new techniques/practices are developing. Doesn't bow down to the Pharma paddlers, will offer a prescription only after investigating all other options. He's actually interested in what I've been doing and asks if there's anything new I've tried when I visit. And agrees with my view of trying everything before going on any form of medication. Exercise, eat properly, take meds only when there's no other option and when possible use natural meds.

The 2 doctors I had before my current doc were simply drug paddlers who were always too busy to pay attention to patients, horrible listening/social skills and an attitude to boot. In other words typical A-holes and representative of about 90% of that profession ime.
 
HotWaterKarl

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BobCajun said:
With the current state of knowledge, we don't even know if it's safe to manipulate the endocannabinoid system by dosing it with outside substances. They know it seems to help certain conditions, at least short term. Could make people more vulnerable to certain types of cancers and infections.
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If I could I would down-vote this post. You trying to say weed could give you cancers and infections? LP weed maybe.
 
trippingballs

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BobCajun said:
I'm afraid it's true, recent research. It suppresses the immune system. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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What study? Bad news? Lots of conflicting studies..

The Annals of Internal Medicine, stated in its Aug. 19, 2003 article titled "Short-Term Effects of Cannabinoide in Patients with HIV-1 Infection"

"Patients receiving cannabinoids [smoked marijuana and marijuana pills] had improved immune function compared with those receiving placebo. They also gained about 4 pounds more on average than those patients receiving placebo."

Lynn Zimmer, PhD, wrote in her 1997 book Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence:

"There is no evidence that marijuana users are more susceptible to infections than non-users.

Early studies that showed decreased immune function in cells taken from marijuana users have since been disproven.

Indeed, not a single case of marijuana-induced immune impairment has ever been observed in humans."

http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000128
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And then there is this:

Recently, scientists have discovered that cannabinoids derived from the cannabis plant can actually help the ECS to function at optimal levels, thus promoting optimal health. This is especially important due to the fact that ECS receptors have a direct effect on bodily functions such as hunger, pain sensation, mood, memory, appetite, blood sugar levels, and the immune system.

The ECS and Its Ties to the Immune System
Study of the ECS has revealed that cannabinoids can act as neuromodulators for a wide assortment of human processes, including learning, appetite, and immune response. Within the immune system, endocannabinoids function to protect and lubricate systems for optimal function. Additionally, they play an important role in reliving symptoms of disease progression and pain.

Although the effects of the ECS on the human immune system warrant far more study, scientists currently know that targeted cannabinoids are a promising treatment for certain autoimmune diseases, such as multiple sclerosis, Parkinson's, lupus and arthritis. As a treatment, cannabinoids can often serve to reduce inflammatory response and provide increased comfort for affected patients.

https://www.hellomd.com/health-wellness/cannabinoids-and-the-immune-system
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Which ones do you believe?
 
dienowk

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BobCajun said:
I'm afraid it's true, recent research. It suppresses the immune system. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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You should reread the studies, it acts as an immunomodulator which is neither a new discovery nor a bad thing. That action is actually why cannabis works so well along side HIV medications, and for people with overactive immune systems (various autoimmune diseases cause this).


BobCajun said:
Could make people more vulnerable to certain types of cancers and infections.
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Could you post a study that shows this ? I have searched high and low and never seen this stated in any study (which is the only place a thing like this could be determined).
We have actually seen the opposite hold true in regards to cancer, they know combustion creates carcinogenic substances but we also know that something in cannabis seems to suppress the causing of cancer from inhaling these substances (this is the reason cigarette smokers get cancer at alarming rates and cannabis users do not).

If a study does exist that says such a thing I would like to read it however, knowledge is important whether it be something we want to hear or not.
 
BobCajun

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dienowk said:
You should reread the studies, it acts as an immunomodulator which is neither a new discovery nor a bad thing. That action is actually why cannabis works so well along side HIV medications, and for people with overactive immune systems (various autoimmune diseases cause this).




Could you post a study that shows this ? I have searched high and low and never seen this stated in any study (which is the only place a thing like this could be determined).
We have actually seen the opposite hold true in regards to cancer, they know combustion creates carcinogenic substances but we also know that something in cannabis seems to suppress the causing of cancer from inhaling these substances (this is the reason cigarette smokers get cancer at alarming rates and cannabis users do not).

If a study does exist that says such a thing I would like to read it however, knowledge is important whether it be something we want to hear or not.
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Yeah sure, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3005548/ It has only been known since 2010 so not widely disseminated yet.
 
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VIANARCHRIS

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After this statement you can ignore everything else.
"Cannabis is one of the most widely used drugs of abuse worldwide and it is already believed to suppress immune functions making the user more susceptible to infections and some types of cancer," said Dr Nagarkatti. Alcohol is the most widely abused drug worldwide and to suggest otherwise merely telegraphs their bias.
My guess is these 'scientists' had the study funded by Big Pharma. Read the articles below that one and they are ALL anti-cannabis. Never listen to any idiot with 'Dr.' as part of their name.
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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And to further prove my assumption- this article promoting the benefits of being a drunk is right beside the "cannabis will kill you" articles. Bunch of fucking morons.
Alcohol boosts recall of earlier learning, study suggests
Date:
July 24, 2017
Source:
University of Exeter
Summary:
Drinking alcohol improves memory for information learned before the drinking episode began, new research suggests.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170724105105.htm
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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VIANARCHRIS said:
And to further prove my assumption- this article promoting the benefits of being a drunk is right beside the "cannabis will kill you" articles. Bunch of fucking morons.
Alcohol boosts recall of earlier learning, study suggests
Date:
July 24, 2017
Source:
University of Exeter
Summary:
Drinking alcohol improves memory for information learned before the drinking episode began, new research suggests.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170724105105.htm
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Hahahahaha...
 
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