Universe or Multiverse

tyler.durden said:

That's cool, speculation is fun. Would you elaborate on some of the cooler occurrences and possibilities?

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The whip cream one has already been mentioned, but another would be that space is filled with drinkable beer. We have already found nebulas containing ethanol. This is all before getting into changes in physics where things may be all messed up (gravity of 0 or + where we have -) where individuals become pinballs in an atmosphere.

We can get down to specifics for each of these and say that in each of the above mentioned occurrences, you lived every possible life. i.e. in one you lived the life of hitler, and in another the life of a slave.

fb360 said:

covered in wipe cream, not sure... but with an infinite number, im sure it is possible, given basic logic ofc

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i think its probably safe to say that the numerous processes needed to get "whipped cream" should rule out the possibility

dont fall into the trap of thinking an infinite number set contains every single possibility

fb360 said:

The whip cream one has already been mentioned, but another would be that space is filled with drinkable beer. We have already found nebulas containing ethanol. This is all before getting into changes in physics where things may be all messed up (gravity of 0 or + where we have -) where individuals become pinballs in an atmosphere.

We can get down to specifics for each of these and say that in each of the above mentioned occurrences, you lived every possible life. i.e. in one you lived the life of hitler, and in another the life of a slave.

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Reminds me of the end of this skit

[video=youtube;BJlV49RDlLE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJlV49RDlLE[/video]

ginjawarrior said:

i think its probably safe to say that the numerous processes needed to get "whipped cream" should rule out the possibility

dont fall into the trap of thinking an infinite number set contains every single possibility

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an infinite set of uniques DOES contain every possibility. However an infinite set is unfathomable by humans

eye exaggerate said:

...I remember discussing with you the idea that fundamental particles may perhaps be subject to further fundamentality (hehe). You wouldn't apply that to our current view of the universe?

...they only 'allow' me play doh razors

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Can't say in all honesty. That is across the threshold from physics into metaphysics, which is grand fun imo but ... not science. cn

fb360 said:

an infinite set of uniques DOES contain every possibility. However an infinite set is unfathomable by humans

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no

look at it this way

2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24........ etc carrying on to infinity

as you can see thats an infinite number set that does not contain every possibility and its easily fathomable

you can repeat the same with odd numbers, any multiplication of numbers or even prime numbers

in fact theres an infinite amount of number sets that do not contain every possibility

while there is only 1 number set that contains every possibility

the odds are on my side for this one

ginjawarrior said:

no

look at it this way

2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24........ etc carrying on to infinity

as you can see thats an infinite number set that does not contain every possibility and its easily fathomable

you can repeat the same with odd numbers, any multiplication of numbers or even prime numbers

in fact theres an infinite amount of number sets that do not contain every possibility

while there is only 1 number set that contains every possibility

the odds are on my side for this one

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Your example is sound if you are dealing with things like numbers, but irrelevant in this instance. In the instance of an "infinite" number of "universes", you can achieve all physical possibilities, due to the very nature that the universe is the largest level of abstraction you can get to, where a change in it dictates changes all the way down.

If you look at my first response, I said even said that whipped cream was a bit outstretched, but hey, who can say no?

We already think of just a miniscule number of verses would be the ones that represent the exact world we live in, however the life we live is slightly different. We can also certainly fathom that some will have different physics and chemistry. All of this is just hypothetical though, as I've also already mentioned.

fb360 said:

Your example is sound if you are dealing with things like numbers, but irrelevant in this instance. In the instance of an "infinite" number of "universes", you can achieve all physical possibilities, due to the very nature that the universe is the largest level of abstraction you can get to, where a change in it dictates changes all the way down.

If you look at my first response, I said even said that whipped cream was a bit outstretched, but hey, who can say no?

We already think of just a miniscule number of verses would be the ones that represent the exact world we live in, however the life we live is slightly different. We can also certainly fathom that some will have different physics and chemistry. All of this is just hypothetical though, as I've also already mentioned.

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careful now your skating dangerously close to destroying the universe by nearly claiming "my infinity is bigger than your infinity"

my example is perfectly relevant it quite simply shows your premise of "infinity = every possibility" is not true

it not only works with numbers either you can an infinite number of planets and leave out earth

there is nothing to suggest the infinity of the universe is any different

the only thing that suggests otherwise is your own preconception

using this new knowledge of infinity we can even work out how likely it is to get the scenario where "everything happens"

number of different incomplete infinite states= ∞

number of states where "everything happens" = 1

chance of this being the "everything happens" reality = 1/∞

of course this is hypothetical and we can never prove it

but thats the math of it

ginjawarrior said:

there is nothing to suggest the infinity of the universe is any different

the only thing that suggests otherwise is your own preconception

using this new knowledge of infinity we can even work out how likely it is to get the scenario where "everything happens"

number of different incomplete infinite states= ∞

number of states where "everything happens" = 1

chance of this being the "everything happens" reality = 1/∞

of course this is hypothetical and we can never prove it

but thats the math of it

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There is EVERYTHING to suggest that we cant even fathom what an infinite number of universes would be...

Humans can't even understand light years or Astronomical Units FFS...
Please, write down the value of a light year and explain to me its size. Then think about how even the closest star in our galaxy is 4.2 light years away. Then try imagine that each of these infinite universes can contain, for our purposes, an infinite number of galaxies, each of which can contain billions of stars and planets. The human mind cannot even process that data, it's far too large. Lastly, think about how we are still finding and discovering new things here on our miniscule planet, and then extrapolate that to finding new things in an infinite number of universes...

Your example is flawed in this instance as I already mentioned. You claim [1,3,5,7,9,11....] can be an infinite set.. Yes it can, but only from the perspective that our number system inherently runs to infinity. Why don't you try the same with elements, or types of rock, or number of cat species, or even number of marijuana forums on the internet... Those sets are not continuous, and therefore having an infinite set, is equivalent to having the complete set.

See, you went wrong when you compared a physical entity (the universe), to a made-up language we call math which has no physical baring. Unless you are assuming that each of the infinite universes would be truly infinite in size and space, your example is irrelevant due to the set being inherently finite...

fb360 said:

There is EVERYTHING to suggest that we cant even fathom what an infinite number of universes would be...

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that could certainly be the case... yethere you are telling me how your interpretation is better than mine

Humans can't even understand light years or Astronomical Units FFS...
Please, write down the value of a light year and explain to me its size. Then think about how even the closest star in our galaxy is 4.2 light years away. Then try imagine that each of these infinite universes can contain, for our purposes, an infinite number of galaxies, each of which can contain billions of stars and planets. The human mind cannot even process that data, it's far too large. Lastly, think about how we are still finding and discovering new things here on our miniscule planet, and then extrapolate that to finding new things in an infinite number of universes...

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i need to write down the size of a light year to discuss infinity with you? what purpose does that have apart from a dick measuring competition where you attempt to make yourself sound smarter (your definitely using the wrong scale here)

the universe is big yes but using a measurement of distance to compare to infinity will ALWAYS fail as however many light years you have infinity will always be infinitely larger

Your example is flawed in this instance as I already mentioned. You claim [1,3,5,7,9,11....] can be an infinite set.. Yes it can, but only from the perspective that our number system inherently runs to infinity. Why don't you try the same with elements, or types of rock, or number of cat species, or even number of marijuana forums on the internet... Those sets are not continuous, and therefore having an infinite set, is equivalent to having the complete set.

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nothing you have stated there forces infinity to contain everything or even that could be one more missed out from set

imagine an infinitely large universe filled with cows in grid form stretching into infinity into every direction

now remove just one line of cows

you've just removed an infinite amount of cows from that original set and yet you still have an infinite amount of cows left over

See, you went wrong when you compared a physical entity (the universe), to a made-up language we call math which has no physical baring. Unless you are assuming that each of the infinite universes would be truly infinite in size and space, your example is irrelevant due to the set being inherently finite...

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lmao yeah math has never been applied to the universe with any effect ever.

math is not a made up construct of man

math is universal and will be understood by any advanced species anywhere across the universe

ginjawarrior said:

that could certainly be the case... yethere you are telling me how your interpretation is better than mine


i need to write down the size of a light year to discuss infinity with you? what purpose does that have apart from a dick measuring competition where you attempt to make yourself sound smarter (your definitely using the wrong scale here)

the universe is big yes but using a measurement of distance to compare to infinity will ALWAYS fail as however many light years you have infinity will always be infinitely larger



nothing you have stated there forces infinity to contain everything or even that could be one more missed out from set

imagine an infinitely large universe filled with cows in grid form stretching into infinity into every direction

now remove just one line of cows

you've just removed an infinite amount of cows from that original set and yet you still have an infinite amount of cows left over



lmao yeah math has never been applied to the universe with any effect ever.

math is not a made up construct of man

math is universal and will be understood by any advanced species anywhere across the universe

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You're a moron dude, stop posting in this thread.

And PS: you don't understand math, which is made obvious by the fact you think finite sets are equal to infinite sets (numbers are the only thing in the universe, besides maybe the universe itself, with is infinite, halfwit)

Again you buffoon, try take a set of primary colors (3 of them retard), and make an infinite set out of them using just 1. You can't idiot, learn basic science and mathematics.

Math for above statement:
P(red) = 1/3
P(yellow) = 1/3
P(blue) = 1/3

Tending to infinity, the probabilities are EXACTLY the same. NONE have changed to 0, you mathematical illiterate fuck.
P(r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r..........................r,r,r,r,r,r..........rn) = 0 at an infinite set (.333 ^ infinity) = 0

Obviously doesn't understand basic algebra let alone the calculus involved to describe infinity and negative infinity.

Math is universal LOLOLOLOL! What a retard. Is English universal across the universe as well? Stupid people are stupid.

How's that for dick measuring

e; Oh and your cow example is idiotic. Cows are not infinite, they are not numbers you clown.
@red: lol

fb360 said:

You're a moron dude, stop posting in this thread.

And PS: you don't understand math, which is made obvious by the fact you think finite sets are equal to infinite sets (numbers are the only thing in the universe, besides maybe the universe itself, with is infinite, halfwit)

Again you buffoon, try take a set of primary colors (3 of them retard), and make an infinite set out of them using just 1. You can't idiot, learn basic science and mathematics.
Obviously doesn't understand basic algebra let alone the calculus involved to describe infinity and negative infinity.

Math is universal LOLOLOLOL! What a retard. Is English universal across the universe as well? Stupid people are stupid.

How's that for dick measuring

e; Oh and your cow example is idiotic. Cows are not infinite, they are not numbers you clown.

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lol so many insults and so little against what i had to say and you say i should learn the basics hilarious

comparing math to english lol

you think intelligent life wont know the concept of 1+1= 2?


shout and scream all you want math is universal

ginjawarrior said:

lol so many insults and so little against what i had to say and you say i should learn the basics hilarious

comparing math to english lol

you think intelligent life wont know the concept of 1+1= 2?


shout and scream all you want math is universal

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No, you're retarded dude. And I was sarcastically imitating you but due to your <80 IQ you didn't catch that either.

You think that finite things can be described as infinite, like cows. You are either a) retarded, b) autistic and retarded, c)ignorant to even elementary math and retarded

You don't even comprehend that infinity is IMPOSSIBLE with anything in our universe, and is UNDEFINED by DEFINITION. 1/0.
Infinity is just used in mathematical regards to describe NEVER ENDING, the IMPOSSIBLE. Infinity IS NOT PRESENT in real life. Do some basic calculus and learn how to use infinity, assclown.

Reply and reply all you want, you're still mathematically illiterate.

fb360 said:

You're a moron dude, stop posting in this thread.

And PS: you don't understand math, which is made obvious by the fact you think finite sets are equal to infinite sets (numbers are the only thing in the universe, besides maybe the universe itself, with is infinite, halfwit)

Again you buffoon, try take a set of primary colors (3 of them retard), and make an infinite set out of them using just 1. You can't idiot, learn basic science and mathematics.

Math for above statement:
P(red) = 1/3
P(yellow) = 1/3
P(blue) = 1/3

Tending to infinity, the probabilities are EXACTLY the same. NONE have changed to 0, you mathematical illiterate fuck.
P(r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r,r..........................r,r,r,r,r,r..........rn) = 0 at an infinite set (.333 ^ infinity) = 0

Obviously doesn't understand basic algebra let alone the calculus involved to describe infinity and negative infinity.

Math is universal LOLOLOLOL! What a retard. Is English universal across the universe as well? Stupid people are stupid.

How's that for dick measuring

e; Oh and your cow example is idiotic. Cows are not infinite, they are not numbers you clown.
@red: lol

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i see you tried to edit some sense into that rant filled post

are you asking for an infinate amount of combinations of those primary colors all adding up to one?

you do realise fractions can be expressed in infinite forms?

1/3= 2/6= 4/12= 8/24= 16/48...... and so on into inifitity

as you can see 1/3 can be broken down into an infinite small fractions

you can make an infinite amount of combinations of r,y,b that add up to one unique color

fb360 said:

No, you're retarded dude. And I was sarcastically imitating you but due to your <80 IQ you didn't catch that either.

You think that finite things can be described as infinite, like cows. You are either a) retarded, b) autistic and retarded, c)ignorant to even elementary math.

You don't even comprehend that infinity is IMPOSSIBLE with anything in our universe, and is UNDEFINED by DEFINITION. 1/0.
Infinity is just used in mathematical to describe NEVER ENDING, the IMPOSSIBLE. Infinity IS NOT PRESENT in real life. Do some basic calculus and learn how to use infinity, assclown.

Reply and reply all you want, you're still mathematically illiterate.

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the cows were a mental exercise to show you can take infinity away from infinity and still have infinity i see it was too highbrow for yourself

try hotel rooms instead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert's_paradox_of_the_Grand_Hotel

being the biggest douche and ranting the loudest doesnt mean your right it just means your a loud douche

ginjawarrior said:

i see you tried to edit some sense into that rant filled post

are you asking for an infinate amount of combinations of those primary colors all adding up to one?

you do realise fractions can be expressed in infinite forms?

1/3= 2/6= 4/12= 8/24= 16/48...... and so on into inifitity

as you can see 1/3 can be broken down into an infinite small fractions

you can make an infinite amount of combinations of r,y,b that add up to one unique color

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OMG, please dude, just stop, I'm losing IQ points.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go look up integrals using infinity you halfwit. I can't believe you actually go around trying to talk math, and feel horrible for anyone who is sitting on the other side of the debate.

Do the calculus for {infinity S 0} of Pr(1/3).

Infinity = 1/0

YOU CANNOT DIVIDE BY ZERO PHYSICALLY YOU MORONIC FUCK! STOP POSTING

Again, go grab a calculator and put this function in:
(1/3) ^ infinity and tell me what it outputs
Here's a hint: THE OUTPUT IS 0, meaning IT CANT HAPPEN

fb360 said:

OMG, please dude, just stop, I'm losing IQ points.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go look up integrals using infinity you halfwit. I can't believe you actually go around trying to talk math, and feel horrible for anyone who is sitting on the other side of the debate.

Do the calculus for {infinity S 0} of Pr(1/3).

Infinity = 1/0

YOU CANNOT DIVIDE BY ZERO PHYSICALLY YOU MORONIC FUCK! STOP POSTING

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oh so when it suits you you apply math to it?

your saying there is not an infinite amount of ways to express 1/3?

where does it stop then?

ginjawarrior said:

oh so when it suits you you apply math to it?

your saying there is not an infinite amount of ways to express 1/3?

where does it stop then?

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Just go learn simple calculus and then come back and apologize for being retarded

Let me lay this out in laymans terms for you. INFINITY is NOT POSSIBLE. Infinity is USED in MATHEMATICS to DESCRIBE UNIDEFINED, or NEVER ENDING.
1/0 = infinity

0 < X < 1 : X ^ infinity = 0
1 < X < infinity : X ^ Infinity = infinity

ERGO:
inherently the probability of a set of the same tends to 0 when the set size tends to infinity.

e;
All of this can be summarized by my initial statement to you that your example is impossible except for with numbers, and irrelevant in this discussion unless you are trying to describe universes as truly infinite in size. This made you butthurt, which made you try to put me down, which resulted in you being taught basic calc

fb360 said:

Just go learn simple calculus and then come back and apologize for being retarded

Let me lay this out in laymans terms for you. INFINITY is NOT POSSIBLE. Infinity is USED in MATHEMATICS to DESCRIBE UNIDEFINED, or NEVER ENDING.
1/0 = infinity

0 < X < 1 : X ^ infinity = 0
1 < X < infinity : X ^ Infinity = infinity

ERGO:
inherently the probability of a set of the same tends to 0 when the set size tends to infinity.

e;
All of this can be summarized by my initial statement to you that your example is impossible except for with numbers, and irrelevant in this discussion unless you are trying to describe universes as truly infinite in size. This made you butthurt, which made you try to put me down, which resulted in you being taught basic calc

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the only thing you have shown is that your a dick with a superiority complex

its cool tho you blowing your load is plain to see here

This sub forum is the best lol.. Nobody ever says your right and I'm wrong. They just argue and then it turns to something else and then name calling and then the thread dies.. The best part is you can just go to the next thread and watch it unfold all over again.