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Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Discussion in 'Organics' started by Matt Rize, Sep 7, 2010.

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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    Welcome fellow (and future) vegan organic gardeners. I'll begin by saying I've been working on a revolutionary growing system with ganja guru Kyle Kushman. He calls it Kushman's Veganics and it includes all aspects of gardening.

    And secondly, I am not a vegan, nor do I promote a vegan diet for humans. I get my meat from the farmer's market, and it is spectacular, support local ranches and eff fast food. Sorry, I digress.

    It's all about the medicine. We are literally making medicine for sick people, often people with severely compromised immune systems. So getting rid of the animal sources removes the risk of any weird animal pathogens being consumed. Remember my beautiful canna-friends, sick people often consume the medicine raw as juice.

    It is also about reproducing nature. In the wild plants feed off of the soil. Soil is mostly broken down plants and some rocks. Very little of soil is of animal origin. So are you starting to see the idea? Broken down plants=good, rocks=okay in small amounts, animal origin=okay in very small amounts, chemical=no way!
     
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    moash

    moash New Member

    lets hear what u gotta say professor
     
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    upthearsenal

    upthearsenal Well-Known Member

    are worm castings vegan?
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    With the theory out there, let's go to practice. Vegan is showing up on all sorts of labels these days, but the word itself means little. Most chemy nutes are vegan. What I am talking about when I say veganics is plant-based nutes.

    That brings us to the best nute company in the world, CANNA. Who else has the balls to directly label the product this way? I've never tested their chemy lines but have read great reviews. The BioCanna line is the backbone of veganics, and on a level all its own in the nute world. Don't you just love the smell of Vega and Flores? Yum, like molasses and soy sauce. If you are on a budget the BioBoost can be foliar fed, but both is better :). One thing to note is that advanced gardeners will have to feed heavy and possibly supplement N in veg and P/K in flower for optimal results. The BioCanna website has lots of great info about the special process of plant fermentation and extraction used to make this unique line of nutes. They are sourcing from all over the world to make the best vegan organic plant-extract nutes.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    I won't give it all away right now, but for supplementation: natures nectars, soluble seaweed, humic/fulvic, teas, mayan microzyme, other-zymes, molasses

    there are a few good options out there, and i'm still testing the different vegan options.

    i'd love an opinion on humboldt nutrients "natural bloom" 0-10-0...anyone?

    and how do my canna friends feel about the cannazym change? different NPK, different color...?

    don't be fooled by products labeled as vegan, but intended for hydro. read the labels and look for: plant extracts, kelp, molasses, soft rock phosphate, humic via leonardite, seaweed.

    and smell the nutes, give them a look over. these companies change the formulas without changing the labels (AN).
     
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    stonedmetalhead1

    stonedmetalhead1 Well-Known Member

    Are you saying your trying to get away from manure's and guano's? Animals are naturally responsible for fertilizing land and I don't see how it could be a bad thing.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    Then there is the media situation. I want to talk about Bio Terra Plus, BUT it's not available in the US (cali for sure) right now. ARGH! The Bio terra plus is on a level all its own right now in the media world. The price reflects that too...but it is amazing. I've read on here someone said to break it up, NO WAY, you are paying for the chunks. Research soil aggregate structure sometime. The diversity in the soil leads to microclimates. Microclimates lead to diverse microbe and beneficial fungi populations. Diverse populations lead to pH buffering, nitrogen fixation, root symbiosis, and overall pathogen resistance.

    I want to big up Dr. VD before I go farther. I just found your thread yesterday. Like minds my friend.

    Now I have to address perlite. Yes, the terra plus hold a lot of water. I can see how feeding more often in a lighter mix might make it easier to push nutes. I made the decision to go all natural, and perlite is not part of that. My grandmother taught me how to water soil that holds too much water. We'll get to water later.

    To explain more: perlite is dead space in the microbial world. For me, it is not about feeding more, or more often. It is about maintaining a healthy root zone, and feeding both the roots and the microbes. The microbes in turn eat and their "poo" feeds the plants while I'm waiting to water again. By the time full roots have developed I'm watering my medium sized plants (in 4 gallon pots filled with terra plus straight outta the bag) about every-other day, just right IMHO.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    Some tips i've learned along the way (3 vegan runs complete):
    - feed heavy, supplementation will be needed for advanced gardeners
    - brew microbe teas, low NPK so no worries
    - feed microbes, in the brewer and in the soil.
    - IMHO and according to the microscope, BioBoost cuts flower time 3 to 10 days depending of course.
    - feed all mixed nutes asap and flush your res/hoses/wand or whatever you top feed with
    - oh yeah, top feed the bio canna line. too thick to drip or flood/drain.
    - don't flush until the last week or two. no residues from veganics.
    - no worries with a vegan garden. don't have to wash hands after, non-toxic nutes!
    - also, if in the budget, the BioBoost can be used in small amounts at any time after flipping.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    In nature, plants don't feed on poop primarily. Of course animals live/poop/die in the woods, but the soil is still made mostly of decayed plant matter. I'm talking about a purist/elitist (i guess, because BioCanna is kinda pricey) form of horticulture intended for people with compromised immune systems.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    i'm here to contribute and learn to/from the overall knowledge base of the community, don't hate.

    i want to start a discussion about moving beyond organics for the sake of pure medicine. i don't mean to offend anyone.

    some veganic bubble tested at 57% THC, 4th highest ever at this particular lab. the bubble came from a first time grower who tried the veganic system.

    i live organics, i smoke veganics ;)
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    You know, that is the debate. I say don't worry about it if you trust the source. My garden is not 100% vegan, I believe the bio terra plus is not vegan as well.
     
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    upthearsenal

    upthearsenal Well-Known Member

    bio terra is found in the US for sure
     
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    stonedmetalhead1

    stonedmetalhead1 Well-Known Member

    Over 50% of the Bio Flores is derived from Vinasse which is a by-product of sugar industry and rock phosphate. It's not a bad thing but $115 for 5 liters is ridiculous not to mention for a flowering nute it contains more nitrogen than phosphorus. I could just leave out the hops (I'm guessing it produces a large portion of the nitrogen) and use vinasse and rock phosphate for a fraction of that.

    Why wouldn't you just push making your own soil mix using plant and rock based material rather than pushing commercial products? This would save people a lot of money and still accomplish your objective.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    It is expensive, but I don't put a price on purity. The proof is in the pudding so to speak.

    HOPS is so closely related that it can be grafted to our plants and vice-versa. I think it is genius to break hops down and feed to back to the plants. The only thing better would be using hemp instead of hops.

    I have nothing to sell. I want to tell the world that there is a level beyond organics and the nute industry is obviously responding to the popularity of vegan gardening. Hate if you must, but an evolution in organics is happening. I expect there to be haters, but Dr. VD knows what I'm talking about :). So does general organics, and biocanna, and many other nute companies are developing vegan lines. Try it before you knock it. I too was extremely skeptical.

    I would love some suggestions for a home-made mix that rivals the bio terra plus in pH buffering capacity and is natural. Or are you just talking sh*t? Do you have a white peat source that I don't know about? Have you put away your pH pen?

    For the advanced organic growers out there who love to hate: time will tell, we can agree to disagree. keep it positive friends.

    and bio canna nutes are amazing, if you have a home-made mix that rivals that i would love to hear about it.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    I'm testing CocoNot right now. It is a local by-product from our huge forestry industry here. It is cheap, and very simple, just redwood bark and a pH buffer. A "greener" choice than the bio terra plus.
     
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    stonedmetalhead1

    stonedmetalhead1 Well-Known Member

    No hate here I'm just curious because there are so many ways to go about this without using high dollar commercial fertilizers.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    But for newbs!!!!! Try the biocanna line!!! Don't listen to the haters. Your first time grow can be of the highest medicinal quality with no stress and no worries. Just follow the label and go!

    And for pros: If you don't grow for money, go vegan and you will taste flavors never tasted before, and feel a perfect clear head high.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    I smoke a lot. You guys understand. Paradoxically, I prefer the pain killing affect of kushes, while needing the uplift of sativas. And at the same time I have a lot of sh*t to do in my life. I try to stay as clear and as alert as possible, especially when i go rock climbing for fear of death by falling then smashing.

    Organics has always been cleaner and more clear than the chem (again IMO). But when the affects wore off it often left me feeling groggy. With veganics I've found that goes away. The affects wear off and I don't get the yawns anymore. In addition I can medicate much more chill because the smoke is significantly smoother. I DON'T COUGH SINCE I SWITCHED TO VEGANICS!


    i'm constantly trying to stand out from the crowd, this has made it so easy.
     
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    Matt Rize

    Matt Rize Hashmaster

    REALLY? someone is a little paranoid...i blame the animal residues you are smoking...hehe jk. but not really!

    Big up Dr. VonDank for getting this info out way before me!

    what is a troll? and i don't know who or what woomeister is. i just joined yesterday because i wanted to share and get some feedback from other veganic gardeners. Is the organic forum not the place for that? I'll move this if there is somewhere better. Spread ideas not hate!
     
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    stonedmetalhead1

    stonedmetalhead1 Well-Known Member

    There are plenty of ways to get smooth smoke from regular organics and if there is enough hash content it doesn't matter how smooth it is, you're going to cough.
     
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