vertical growing

DaveTheNewbie said:

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING (AND NOT FACT) :

its not how many lumens per square foot that matters. that factor is irrelevant. its how many lumens get to plants (any plants anywhere, no matter how many plants there are, no matter how many square feet they are spread over)

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So if you now have twice as many plants (w/ the vert grow) do you have half as much lumens going to each plant?

DaveTheNewbie said:

generally you put a reflector as close to the plants as you can without burn or bleach (minimizing square feet). you can pull any reflector as far back as you want to cover more square feet at the cost of lumens.

a bigger light will deliver the same light to more square feet (and therefore more lumens to plants assuming there are plants on the square feet) (and im ignoring the issue of bigger lights penetrating further too)

ignoring the inefficiency of the hoods reflector the disadvantage of the hood is that the light travels up to the reflect then back down, therefore travelling further and dissipating over distance. vert just goes from the light to the plant.

I suspect if you could wrap one plant around a cooltube you would have near zero square feet but major intensity of lumens hitting direct on plant. that the cooltube is vert or horizontal would be irrelevant then.

just my 2 cents.

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I see what your saying, the trick is no putting on parameters that don't matter or worse using models of meassurement that don't matter. I used sq feet under the assumption that we (as efficent minded people) would fill as much sq foot w/ plant as we can. I don''t know if you see my area of concern or not, clever it is, and space efficent it is BUT it might not be any more light efficent or at the least SO space efficent that it requires more light. <shrug>

I could be wrong, I am just trying to get it straight before I make a major investment. =)

jigfresh said:

I'm beleive in vert so much I'm actually doing it. However, now that everything is growing, I'm beginning to think about the above. There is just so much more usable growing space now.... and I still have the same lights. No conclusion, just that I wonder the same thing.



LOL.... Good shit. I'm a fan of good spelling, but I save it for english class. We're talking about growing Marijuana... not having a spelling bee.

What is it about vert that gets everyones panties in a bunch?

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Thats what this thread is about, real world results and thoughts. Please keep us all up to date with your grow and how you think it fairs against your old style. This is the kind of honesty we need in this thread. What in vert grows work, what don't, what do we need to do more of because of the style, what do we need less of because of. ect

cerberus said:

I agree, we should keep this a no flame thread.

nice grow! what size lights are you using? any reflective matirial on the ceiling?

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three 600's. no reflective material other than the windows. pulled 2 pounds. i suck indoors so this was one of my better grows.

My apologies cerberus, just having a little fun with the know it all.

fdd2blk said:

three 600's. no reflective material other than the windows. pulled 2 pounds. i suck indoors so this was one of my better grows.

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How did the yield compare between the plants on the floor down the center, with the ones on the top shelf that where getting the light from the side instead of straight down from the top?

fatfarmer34 said:

How did the yield compare between the plants on the floor down the center, with the ones on the top shelf that where getting the light from the side instead of straight down from the top?

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Im guessing the difference is minimal, if any.


I havent noticed any difference in the size or compactness of buds since I switched to vertical growing.

The only difference I can see is that I can fit more plants around the same bulb. There is no way I could grow 5 - 6 of these big ass plants under one 400 watt HPS. However, When I arrange them around the vertical light, it works perfectly.

fatfarmer34 said:

My apologies cerberus, just having a little fun with the know it all.

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that will happen time to time.


all is good

fdd2blk said:

three 600's. no reflective material other than the windows. pulled 2 pounds. i suck indoors so this was one of my better grows.

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3 600's, and you grabbed 2 elbows?! thats not to shabby at all! Have you dont horizontal grows? (it sounds like it) and the vert went the best for ya?

what strain?

nice grow my friend, nice grow

bigtomatofarmer said:

Im guessing the difference is minimal, if any.


I havent noticed any difference in the size or compactness of buds since I switched to vertical growing.

The only difference I can see is that I can fit more plants around the same bulb. There is no way I could grow 5 - 6 of these big ass plants under one 400 watt HPS. However, When I arrange them around the vertical light, it works perfectly.

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you'll have to let us know what total yield was versus a horizontal grow. =)

thanks

SO you plain on hand watering over 60 plants every other day if not every day
but not a bad setup i like it just tell me how it works

I bet the journal would tell you everything you want to know:

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/166743-pull-up-seat-theres-room.html

what size are those pots?(the pic. with 44 plants and 2 600's vert.) fdd2blk
Also curious of the strain??
keep up the good work fdd2blk and all

because it deserves to be repeated..

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/166743-pull-up-seat-theres-room.html

gr8 find cerberus

fdd2blk said:

three 600's. no reflective material other than the windows. pulled 2 pounds. i suck indoors so this was one of my better grows.

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Great setup. That is not a vert though - I think it is better. It certainly makes sense to raise the outer row of plants to give more direct lighting and bring them closer to the bulb. However, you might benefit from some of those old school dish style reflectors. No sense wasting light on the ceiling.

I do think what you have there is the most efficient setup. Better than a totally flat grow or a full out vert.

RickWhite said:

Great setup. That is not a vert though - I think it is better. It certainly makes sense to raise the outer row of plants to give more direct lighting and bring them closer to the bulb. However, you might benefit from some of those old school dish style reflectors. No sense wasting light on the ceiling.

I do think what you have there is the most efficient setup. Better than a totally flat grow or a full out vert.

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WRONG- that is a vert
the lights are hung vertical and there are plants growing around and up the sides

That 5hit said:

WRONG- that is a vert
the lights are hung vertical and there are plants growing around and up the sides

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Don't you think it is a little childish to write "wrong" in all caps.

I'm not wrong. Most of the plants are underneath the light are they not? The orientation of the bulb has nothing to do with it.

What he has there is a Colosseum setup which is nothing more than a raised perimeter. This is far different from the setups you guys are showing. All of your setups light from the sides only and have no plants below the bulb.

Grow up already.

RickWhite said:

Don't you think it is a little childish to write "wrong" in all caps.

I'm not wrong. Most of the plants are underneath the light are they not? The orientation of the bulb has nothing to do with it.

What he has there is a Colosseum setup which is nothing more than a raised perimeter. This is far different from the setups you guys are showing. All of your setups light from the sides only and have no plants below the bulb.

Grow up already.

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Looks like a vertical grow to me

bigtomatofarmer said:

Looks like a vertical grow to me

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Me too

???

RickWhite said:

Don't you think it is a little childish to write "wrong" in all caps.

I'm not wrong. Most of the plants are underneath the light are they not? The orientation of the bulb has nothing to do with it.

What he has there is a Colosseum setup which is nothing more than a raised perimeter. This is far different from the setups you guys are showing. All of your setups light from the sides only and have no plants below the bulb.

Grow up already.

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WOW- what an awaking moment i just had after reading your post now i will start acting 30, just because some women on an internet pot site told me too - my wife would sure love you miss- NOT

what she fail to do was read the whole thread by fdd2blk
she would have seen that the plants did in fact grow up the side of the lights
before and after flowering
yes at first glance this would appear to look like a hor. Colosseum grow
colosseum grow yes
hor. grow no

it is more childish to jump to premature conclusion before knowing all the facts - its what kids-
so i would say that my response was right on time with yours
just because it does not fall into what you would call a vert does not mean its not a vert


but fdd did give me an idea with respect to my own vert grow
if i build it high enough off the ground i could utilize the area underneath the builb aswell as all around the builb
giving my 4 sided vert idea now 5




oh yeah let me not forget....