Vote NO on prop 19... (great read for anyone that will be voting in november in cali)

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Dan Kone

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dtRepeat said:
does anyone else think we could change things later if we first pass prop 19 and then start to ask for revisions? i dunno who would back us on it but it would be interesting to explore this option, in my opinion. :)
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Yes. Prop 19 is all about incremental change. Change usually comes in steps, not all at once.
 
Weedoozie

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Hey y'all, check this out:
http://yeson19.com/node/97
They have a section in their FAQ for Medical Cannabis Patients FAQ which answers many of the questions patients and advocates for patients have been bringing up in regards to changing laws

Now we have to find out if they are misleading us with wrong information...I hope not.
 
nathenking

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The problem I have with Prop19 is that you can only buy from a licesned dispensary.... I think that is just putting all the power in few hands when we have all the power in all the hands now... And for what, just an ounce... A ounce of MJ doesnt put you in jail now, so why not keep your ounce you got now, and wait on a better written law... We have already waited 50 years, whats another 2 or 4 or 6... Better to do it right the first time then trying to fix a shitty law...
 
Burger Boss

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Prop 19 is the best thing to come down the pike that I've seen in 71 years! I'm NOT worried about "who's got the power" or "oh woo hoo"
"I can't buy more than an ounce at a time". No by God, WHEN this thing passes, I will continue to grow excellent smoke for myself, and
NOT be a fucking criminal anymore. CASE BLOODY CLOSED!..............BB
 
nathenking

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Burger Boss said:
Prop 19 is the best thing to come down the pike that I've seen in 71 years! I'm NOT worried about "who's got the power" or "oh woo hoo"
"I can't buy more than an ounce at a time". No by God, WHEN this thing passes, I will continue to grow excellent smoke for myself, and
NOT be a fucking criminal anymore. CASE BLOODY CLOSED!..............BB
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Your not a criminal... You are if you grow MJ in South Dakota, Wyoming etc... They will take your kids, your house and throw you in jail for having lets say 4 plants...
What would happen to you if you were to get caught in California? Im not writing this in a deragatory way either, Im just wondering what would happen if you were to get caught???
 
Burger Boss

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nathenking said:
Your not a criminal... You are if you grow MJ in South Dakota, Wyoming etc... They will take your kids, your house and throw you in jail for having lets say 4 plants...
What would happen to you if you were to get caught in California? Im not writing this in a deragatory way either, Im just wondering what would happen if you were to get caught???
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Well, funny you should ask. In 1992, I was busted in Amador county, CA, for 5 plants under lights in a garage, for this I received 17 months of "State" time. I was initially processed through San Quentin State Prison and eventually finished my sentence and was paroled out of Folsom State Prison, in 1994. I was 54 years old at the time and it "blew up my life" completely! I have since moved to a LESS uptight county AND continue to grow.
And YES, I'm still a criminal. You see, I NEVER bought into the Medical MJ thing and refuse to play the "Dr. says it's OK" game, so my little annual 10/12 plant patio grow is completely "illegal" by current standards.
Good luck & good grow.......BB
 
nathenking

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Burger Boss said:
Well, funny you should ask. In 1992, I was busted in Amador county, CA, for 5 plants under lights in a garage, for this I received 17 months of "State" time. I was initially processed through San Quentin State Prison and eventually finished my sentence and was paroled out of Folsom State Prison, in 1994. I was 54 years old at the time and it "blew up my life" completely! I have since moved to a LESS uptight county AND continue to grow.
And YES, I'm still a criminal. You see, I NEVER bought into the Medical MJ thing and refuse to play the "Dr. says it's OK" game, so my little annual 10/12 plant patio grow is completely "illegal" by current standards.
Good luck & good grow.......BB
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Heard you loud and clear... Would you still go to prison in 2010 for the same crime in 92'???
 
nathenking

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Burger Boss said:
The sword of Damocles STILL hangs. November 2, IT GOES AWAY.........BB
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What happens if the federal government repeals it, and cuts california off from all federal funds until the abolish the law??? Thats what obama will do so he can win the next election, god knows that none of the bible belt states will vote for him if he lets it fly over there...
 
Burger Boss

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My take is a little different. I strongly believe that CA is going to be the "National tipping point", once we do this thing, the other States will become "dominoes". I believe there will be a shift in federal policy, and allow the States to legislate Cannabis as the people see fit.
And I'm Sure the feds will be GLAD to get out of the "Marijuana" business, considering the incredible resistance to their wasted and costly efforts ..........BB
 
nathenking

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Burger Boss said:
My take is a little different. I strongly believe that CA is going to be the "National tipping point", once we do this thing, the other States will become "dominoes". I believe there will be a shift in federal policy, and allow the States to legislate Cannabis as the people see fit.
And I'm Sure the feds will be GLAD to get out of the "Marijuana" business, considering the incredible resistance to their wasted and costly efforts ..........BB
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I also think that CA will be a tipping point... But I believe that this law will pigeon hole CA when WA MT and OR see the mistakes that CA make and improve on them, so then everybody will go to those states because they will be able to buy more than an ounce, and they will be able to buy it from non-corporate affiliated people... So the demand will go down for CA mj and there for hurt the economy... The reason I say pigeon hole is that once this prop goes into effect, it will be very hard to change it... hence the one ounce limit will be here for a while... and that isnt good for the overall full legalization of MJ... if anything it will just put MJ into another prohibition where the rich people will make the laws that benefit them and not us...

As to the feds the war on MJ is what us blue collar folks call job security, and thats what they want... im not to sure they are gonna be happy about these huge indoor warehouse commercial grows, if they want to go raid them and seize all there assets and property they will... they will do that because that is money for them... and it is also federal law... and that wont change anytime soon...
 
Dan Kone

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nathenking said:
The problem I have with Prop19 is that you can only buy from a licesned dispensary.... I think that is just putting all the power in few hands when we have all the power in all the hands now... And for what, just an ounce... A ounce of MJ doesnt put you in jail now, so why not keep your ounce you got now, and wait on a better written law... We have already waited 50 years, whats another 2 or 4 or 6... Better to do it right the first time then trying to fix a shitty law...
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Don't you have to buy from a licensed dispensary now? You didn't think they were going to make it legal to just stand on a street corner and sell weed did you? What guarantee do you have that there will be a better law on the ballot in 2, 4, or 6 years? As far as I'm aware of this is the first time legalization has been on the ballot in my lifetime. I'm wouldn't be too happy about waiting for legalization for that long again just because a few people don't like all the details. What if it takes 20 years and then when it on the ballot we end up with a worse ballot measure?
 
nathenking

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Dan Kone said:
Don't you have to buy from a licensed dispensary now? You didn't think they were going to make it legal to just stand on a street corner and sell weed did you? What guarantee do you have that there will be a better law on the ballot in 2, 4, or 6 years? As far as I'm aware of this is the first time legalization has been on the ballot in my lifetime. I'm wouldn't be too happy about waiting for legalization for that long again just because a few people don't like all the details. What if it takes 20 years and then when it on the ballot we end up with a worse ballot measure?
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Like I said before, its a ounce... I dont get put in jail when I get caught with it...(im not a card holder) It doesnt bother me know... On the other hand, ive been popped with 60 lbs in utah before, now that is going to jail... So the one ounce limit thing doenst mean anything to me... I dont go to jail for a ounce now, i dont go to jail for ounce after nov. 2... what changes? What changes is that big corporations enter into the MJ business... I dont want that...

My uncle moved up to humboldt after he got back from vietnam... He is what we call an original... If this law is to pass and big warehouse grows insue... He will be out of a job, wont be able to make his land payments and who knows what will happen... This goes for the whole community up here, as well as trinity, medno, shasta, del norte... It puts alot of good people that have been fighting the good fight for decades out... And for what, oh yeah, a OUNCE... Its a joke... I can buy a 100 liters of vodka today, but I can only have a ounce of MJ, I can buy a truck load of cigs but only have a ounce of MJ... Yeah right... Legal... its alot easier to rewrite and then pass a law then it is to change it when it goes into effect... Who is to say that after we pass this law the federal government wont come in and say o.k. but it has to stay this way... I dont like speculation... In 5 years if I can only carry an ounce, then this is a failure period. The funny thing about all this is that it is at 50/50 right now, but there are alot of people up north, and all over the state with MMJ that will show up and vote NO, this is what we call the swing vote, and dont be surprised if it doesnt get passed man... Seriously...

Plus, you have to be a registerd voter, alot of people that would vote yes from the ages of 18-24 arent even registerd... So they cant vote either... Plus republicans are gonna show up in huge numbers this midterm, add that together with the MMJ people, the people that already grow and the people that are the real activists and you have a closer race than you would like... Hence your on these boards all the time trying to tear down what people want to do... Ive seen more people go from a yes vote to a no vote in the last 3 months then the other way around... People are not gonna jump at the first bone thrown to them... either way to each his own... but I say this to you... I dont go to jail when I get caught even with qp now, so what is the real difference man... 5x5 area, well everybody that grows to any appreciable level already blows past those limits, so what changes...

I know I cant change your mine Dan, but ive changed hundreds all ready and will continue...And there is alot of people like me doing the same thing. It only takes about 15 minutes of pointing out legitimante points to people for them to realize it...
 
EmpireApple420

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Thanks man for posting this article because i was one of the ignorant people on prop 19 but now would defiantly vote no if i lived in cali.
 
sicks string samurai

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nathenking said:
Like I said before, its a ounce... I dont get put in jail when I get caught with it...(im not a card holder) It doesnt bother me know... On the other hand, ive been popped with 60 lbs in utah before, now that is going to jail... So the one ounce limit thing doenst mean anything to me... I dont go to jail for a ounce now, i dont go to jail for ounce after nov. 2... what changes? What changes is that big corporations enter into the MJ business... I dont want that...

My uncle moved up to humboldt after he got back from vietnam... He is what we call an original... If this law is to pass and big warehouse grows insue... He will be out of a job, wont be able to make his land payments and who knows what will happen... This goes for the whole community up here, as well as trinity, medno, shasta, del norte... It puts alot of good people that have been fighting the good fight for decades out... And for what, oh yeah, a OUNCE... Its a joke... I can buy a 100 liters of vodka today, but I can only have a ounce of MJ, I can buy a truck load of cigs but only have a ounce of MJ... Yeah right... Legal... its alot easier to rewrite and then pass a law then it is to change it when it goes into effect... Who is to say that after we pass this law the federal government wont come in and say o.k. but it has to stay this way... I dont like speculation... In 5 years if I can only carry an ounce, then this is a failure period. The funny thing about all this is that it is at 50/50 right now, but there are alot of people up north, and all over the state with MMJ that will show up and vote NO, this is what we call the swing vote, and dont be surprised if it doesnt get passed man... Seriously...

Plus, you have to be a registerd voter, alot of people that would vote yes from the ages of 18-24 arent even registerd... So they cant vote either... Plus republicans are gonna show up in huge numbers this midterm, add that together with the MMJ people, the people that already grow and the people that are the real activists and you have a closer race than you would like... Hence your on these boards all the time trying to tear down what people want to do... Ive seen more people go from a yes vote to a no vote in the last 3 months then the other way around... People are not gonna jump at the first bone thrown to them... either way to each his own... but I say this to you... I dont go to jail when I get caught even with qp now, so what is the real difference man... 5x5 area, well everybody that grows to any appreciable level already blows past those limits, so what changes...

I know I cant change your mine Dan, but ive changed hundreds all ready and will continue...And there is alot of people like me doing the same thing. It only takes about 15 minutes of pointing out legitimante points to people for them to realize it...
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Well fucking said bro. I whole-heartedly agree with what you said. The irony here is dumbfounding. Pot growers, and smokers of all different flavors, and standing up, and saying NO to something great. Turns out, this PROP. 19 is a bad idea, all around. I habitually smoke marijuana to relieve stress. I will continue to do so, whether the shit is Legal or not. We've done it that way for that past 50 years... So my 2 cents is this, Vote NO On Proposition 19.

And I don't even live in Cali. I just support the people!
 
Burger Boss

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EmpireApple420 said:
Thanks man for posting this article because i was one of the ignorant people on prop 19 but now would defiantly vote no if i lived in cali.
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Then I'M Damned glad YOU don't live here! As a matter of fact, I wish ALL you clowns from "OUT OF STATE", would mind your OWN fucking business! Instead of coming in here and running your mouths, MAKE something happen on YOUR OWN TURF!
BTW EA420, You are STILL ignorant if you buy into all the anti-19 bullshit!.............BB
 
nathenking

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Then I'M Damned glad YOU don't live here! As a matter of fact, I wish ALL you clowns from "OUT OF STATE", would mind your OWN fucking business! Instead of coming in here and running your mouths, MAKE something happen on YOUR OWN TURF!
BTW EA420, You are STILL ignorant if you buy into all the anti-19 bullshit!.............BB
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Good thing there is freedom of speech... I dont understand why you need to get so upset... If you are so sure that Prop 19 will pass why waste your time???
BTW, my uncle lives in 707 and stands to lose his land & his job (growing)... He is the one that got me so upset on the matter, and guess what hes been growing since 72', and if doesnt think its a good idea and jack H didnt think it was a good idea... Im Positively SURE it isnt... Go slit your own neck with your ONE ounce of weed... WOW that sure is revolutionary what you guys are doing out there!!!! Its a joke everywhere else man... seriously it is...
 
Weedoozie

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Does anyone else think the pot warehouses will not be able to cover the demand of MJ if the prop passes?
 
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