Want to see a difference in nutes? Fox Farm vs. Humboldt Nutes (verde & ginormous)

So I've got a pair of Northern Light Autos about 85 days old from seed. Both have been growing in the same conditions except for the nutrients.

Now I understand a TRUE test would be from clones since those would be the exactly the same but I am doing these from seeds which I am aware there may be some other factors involved such as the genes instead of the nutrients. But granted I feel the test results do show some interesting results.

NL1 was feed Humboldt Nutrients Verde (16-1-2) with Sea green the first two weeks of what I considered a veg state. Then I switched to Ginormous (0-18-6) + sea green and Blackstrap Mollassos.

NL2 was fed the FOx farm trio, the first two weeks grow big (6-4-4) with the big bloom as well. Then switched to the tiger bloom (2-8-4) with the big bloom and mollassas.

Ok as stated before all the conditions have been the same, there feeding schedules are the same. I will say from the beginning NL1 was on average an inch or two taller than NL2 but other than that not many differences in that regard.

Early on I didn't notice much of a difference. NL1 shot out pistols before NL2 by a few days but that doesn't mean much too me. After about a month I started to notice NL2 was fuller inside while NL1 was growing tall and skinny almost like I got two different phenotypes....

Once the buds started forming I still didn't notice much of a difference except that NL1 nugs were literally doubled in the amount of resin. After a few more weeks NL1 was still getting way more resiny but NL2's nugs were swelling at a greater rate.

Now on day 80ish take a look at the two and you can notice a difference. Im probably going to get double off of NL2 than NL1 BUT NL1 is WAY more resiny.

Oh did I mention that NL1 turned PURPLE! while NL2 has remained the same. I figured it had to do with the cold temps we've been getting lately but why isn't it affecting the other? anyway here's pics that what were here for anyway.

In the beginning:



Forming buds:





Nearing the end: But still no purple




Current status: Purple has come within the last two weeks.

That's very interesting. Thank you. But those differences could be due to variations between seeds. I don't know how stable that strain is but in general it's common to get a couple of different phenotypes.

Are you thinking of repeating the experiment with clones?

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Everything looks great. I'm assuming they were grown in sunlight? Tough to gauge their height in the picture. How tall. Interested to see wet/dry yield weight, I have some Delicious Seeds Northern Light seeds waiting in the rotation. Never grew them so I'm interested to here your take. Keep up the good grow!!

Also a very interesting experiment. Thanks for posting that.

What fly-guy said is correct. There can be enough of a phenotypic difference between seeds in the same pack that that factor alone could explain most of the observed difference. Its hard to interpret this data in light of that.

If you were using "ordinary" Nothern lights, from a reputable breeder, then that strain has been around long enough by this point that all seeds in the same pack should be genotypically identical (ie its a true-breeding strain). But with some hybridized auto strain version of Northern lights, I don't think you can/should assume that its a true breeding strain and that all the seeds actually carry identical genotypes.

As another matter, since plants crave phosphorus during flowering, one would expect a plant that was fed a high P-diet (ie a 10-18-6 fertilizer) to do better in the flowering phase, particularly under nutrient-demanding grow conditions.

zvuv said:

That's very interesting. Thank you. But those differences could be due to variations between seeds. I don't know how stable that strain is but in general it's common to get a couple of different phenotypes.

Are you thinking of repeating the experiment with clones?

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Thanks for the interest, I completely agree the experiment should have been done with clones as I stated before Im aware of getting different pheno types in seed packages. And from the begininng I thought they were different the one grew tall and skinny and the other shorter but thicker. the tall skinny had double the amount of resin compared to the other could be pheno but could be nutes. THe only reason I lean toward nutes is because Im doing the same on some plants I have inside. Blue widow and White siberian are getting the fox farm trio while my la confidential is getting the verde and ginourmous. I KNOW they are different strains which are going to react differently to each other but once again I'm seeing a similair pattern, The LA confidential is literally double in the amount of resin could be luck of the draw and coincidence but could also be nutes. I would love to re-try with clones but I just haven't had the time nor have a decent mother to use. I did however conduct a flushing experiment through clones and that had very interesting results.

Mauler57 said:

Everything looks great. I'm assuming they were grown in sunlight? Tough to gauge their height in the picture. How tall. Interested to see wet/dry yield weight, I have some Delicious Seeds Northern Light seeds waiting in the rotation. Never grew them so I'm interested to here your take. Keep up the good grow!!

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Yes these Have been growing outside except for a few days we had bad storms. so I brought them in and put em under my 400hps. I am curious as well of the results after the cure. Weight ratio as well as taste and strength. Blind tasteing will happen again ( my friends love when I do experiments that call for blind taste tests )

Jogro said:

Also a very interesting experiment. Thanks for posting that.

What fly-guy said is correct. There can be enough of a phenotypic difference between seeds in the same pack that that factor alone could explain most of the observed difference. Its hard to interpret this data in light of that.

If you were using "ordinary" Nothern lights, from a reputable breeder, then that strain has been around long enough by this point that all seeds in the same pack should be genotypically identical (ie its a true-breeding strain). But with some hybridized auto strain version of Northern lights, I don't think you can/should assume that its a true breeding strain and that all the seeds actually carry identical genotypes.

As another matter, since plants crave phosphorus during flowering, one would expect a plant that was fed a high P-diet (ie a 10-18-6 fertilizer) to do better in the flowering phase, particularly under nutrient-demanding grow conditions.

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I got these from the attitude but I agree on the strength of the strain considering it's an auto and pretty new there may be some serious fluctiations from one seed to the other. But despite this set back I decided to do the experiment not only to see what differences their are but because I get bored and like running experiments with plants.

I got a question for ya guys. Should I chop the two at the same time even though nl1 has more amber or chop nl1 and wait for nl2 to get similar amount of amber.

So inside I have 3 plants going LA confidential, BLue Widow, and White Siberian. The LA is getting the same nutes as NL1 and the other two are on the fox farm trio. Now I am fully aware these are all different strains which will give different results. BUT I am going to note that I am seeing some familiarities.

Ok the LA has smaller/denser nugs while the other two (BW&WS) both of bigger if not triple the size of the LA's, and their more "airy"
THe LA has literally DOUBLE the amount of resin as the other two.
These are the exact same things that happened between NL1 and NL2.

I believe their may be a difference in nutes. Ok so the LA is a diff strain then the others but is it a coincident im seeing similair results? not to mention that the BW and WS are different yet they are showing all the similair signs NL2 was showing... Just thought I'd THrow that out there.

Keep us updated. That's very a very interesting experiement. I would also like to know what you yield after drying just to note if there is a difference.

A few years ago a friend did a similar test with clones. Their test was a cheap nutes vs. expensive nutes comparison. They found NO noticeable difference between them.

Ok so curing began. the official weigh ins:
NL1 dry weighs 31.2
NL2 dry weighs 46.4

As for the appearance of the nugs:
NL1 nugs are denser, have a darker/purple color overcast too them and tons of crystals.
NL2 nugs are a little airyier but not anything too noticible. They are a lighter green and the orange is brighter but thats probably due to no purple in the nugs. As for crystals it's still covered but it doesn't seem to be as much but that's just my eye. I'll post a pic of the top cola nug of each soon.
Started the same day, Chopped the same day, and started curing the same day. I am not going to do a taste test untill atleast a two week cure... Maybe I'll sneak a little one in here in a few days though.

I still don't know how I feel about the results and wont untill the blind taste test commences. For this I will do separate experiments. First with smell, then taste, then high (although that one is always hard to judge) I like to do my test when I haven't smoked for atleast 4 hours prior but I feel like their are many other factors involved such as time of day, prior smokeing as well as energy level, etc...

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The nug on the left is NL2 and the right is NL1. It is kind of hard to tell a difference in the pictures, but there is a minor one...

P.S these are NOT the top cola's, just two buds I grabbed from the jars.