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Tolerance Break

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the russians still have a lot of men and old machinery, and can still cause a lot of damage, but they're severely over extended, the Ukrainians now have the means to disrupt their supply chains, the russians are dispirited, and don't want to fight, their BTGs are disrupted, what little group training they had is now useless, there is no cohesiveness, not that there ever was any...
it has already had to become a losing fight for the russians...whatever gains they had in mind couldn't possibly be worth the damage they have done to themselves. in terms of munitions alone, they have to have expended hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars worth or rocketry and artillery shells, the tanks and apcs they've lost, the missile systems and ships they've lost...the cost of the war for them so far has to be approaching the trillion dollar mark.
the men they lost were young, in their prime, just starting their lives, the pentagon estimates they have had at least 20,000 killed with as many as 80,000 wounded so badly they're effectively out of the fight...100,000 young men, dead or crippled, who won't have the careers they should have had. playwrites, poets, plumbers, butchers, bakers, carpenters...dead, or maimed, unable to fulfill the roles that would have made their lives meaningful.
at least 20,000 families that lost their husband, father, son...so that one man could pursue a dream of empire.
there is no pay off worth that kind of loss, not to any sane person
For frame of reference, the US lost roughly 7k troops in the middle east and an additional 30k from suicide during that time. Russia has lost in 200 days half of what the US lost in 20 years when suicide is included.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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For frame of reference, the US lost roughly 7k troops in the middle east and an additional 30k from suicide during that time. Russia has lost in 200 days half of what the US lost in 20 years when suicide is included.
they've already lost more men in less than a year than they lost in ten years in Afghanistan.
i have no fucking idea what kind of propaganda putin is pumping out to cover that shit up, but it must be good
 

printer

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‘We Forced Them Well Back’: Fighting Intensifies in Ukraine’s South
Ukrainian missile strikes, shelling and reports of advances near the Russian-held city of Kherson on Tuesday suggested that a Ukrainian offensive in the south of the country was gathering steam.

In its morning update, the president’s office in Kyiv said “heavy fighting” was “taking place in almost the entire territory of the Kherson region.”
While Russian officials sought to downplay the Ukrainian assault, it appeared that Ukrainian forces were pushing forward, with strikes on the strategic Antonivskyi Bridge across the Dnipro River and gunfire and explosions in Kherson itself.
In the town of Bereznehuvate — near the frontlines 70 kilometers north of Kherson — reporters from AFP saw soldiers resting by the roadside and heard artillery fire.

“We forced them well back,” said infantryman Victor, in his 60s, who declined to give a surname. But his commander Oleksandr predicted the fight to retake Kherson will be “long and complicated.”

Videos shared by pro-Kremlin Telegram channels showed evidence of Ukrainian HIMARS missile systems operating near Kherson and news outlets reported gunfire Tuesday morning in Kherson, which was seized by Russian forces shortly after the start of the invasion.
“It’s very loud,” one Kherson resident told The Financial Times. “For the second day there hasn’t even been an hour break where something did not explode or bang,” she said. “It’s scary, but at the same time joyful when you hear the sound of explosions.”

It was not immediately possible to confirm who was involved in the shooting in Kherson, but Russian-installed official Kirill Stremousov said in comments to state-run TASS news agency Tuesday that Ukrainian spies and saboteurs were killed in the city.

Amid reports of a Ukrainian strike on the Antonivskyi Bridge, a key supply route into Kherson, Ukraine said that it could target any crossing over the Dnipro River.

Natalia Humeniuk, a Ukrainian military spokesperson, told a briefing that Kyiv could destroy any pontoon bridge or ferry across the river, Reuters reported.

“The whole area where such a crossing can be built is under our fire control and [any new structure] will be hit,” she said, according to Reuters.
Despite the statements by Ukrainian officials and evidence of increased fighting, Moscow played down the threat posed by a major Ukrainian offensive.

“The special military operation is continuing methodically according to plans that are in place,” President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters during a daily briefing Tuesday. “All objectives will be achieved.”

And Russian-appointed officials in the region claimed that there were no signs of a Ukrainian military advance.
“The assault and victory of Ukraine’s Armed Forces is only on Telegram channels,” Katerina Gubareva, the deputy head of the Russian appointed administration to Kherson, posted on messaging app Telegram.

Flanked by the Dnipro river to the east and south, as well as the Inhulets river — a tributary of the Dnipro — to the north, Kherson has become a key aim for Ukrainian forces.

“If they want to survive, it’s time for the Russian military to run away. Go home,” Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky said in a late night address Monday after Ukraine announced the start of a military operation in the south of the country.

Russia is believed to have about 20,000 troops in the city.

Whether the recent escalation in violence represents the first steps to that counter offensive is “too early to tell,” according to defense analyst Konrad Muzyka of the Poland-based Rochan Consulting agency.

Ukraine appeared to be attacking with relatively limited supplies, Muzyka told The Moscow Times, meaning the offensive could still be in its early stages.

Attempts to permanently dislodge Russian forces west of the Dnipro River could take months, Oleksiy Arestovych, an adviser to Zelensky, said in a Telegram post Monday.

“Of course, many would like a large-scale offensive with news about the capture by our military of a settlement in an hour,” he wrote. “But we don’t fight like that… funds are limited.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I see Vindman is much happier with the US response in Ukraine these days and seems to have landed on his feet. Dunno if he's working for Uncle Sam under contract, but it's likely, he is fluent in Ukrainian, has military experience and has excellent relations and contacts among the Ukrainians.


Alexander Vindman breaks down Ukraine's counteroffensive operation
137,467 views Aug 30, 2022 Retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman walks through Ukraine's counteroffensive operation to retake Russian-held areas in the southern region of the country.
 

Billy the Mountain

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I see Vindman is much happier with the US response in Ukraine these days and seems to have landed on his feet. Dunno if he's working for Uncle Sam under contract, but it's likely, he is fluent in Ukrainian, has military experience and has excellent relations and contacts among the Ukrainians.


Alexander Vindman breaks down Ukraine's counteroffensive operation
137,467 views Aug 30, 2022 Retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman walks through Ukraine's counteroffensive operation to retake Russian-held areas in the southern region of the country.
I heard him yesterday stating that the biggest logistic problem is not so much the equipment getting there, but the issue of providing parts, maintenance and support.

Stuff breaks, and sending it back to Poland for repairs is less than ideal.
 

BudmanTX

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DIY-HP-LED

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Ukraine’s Counter-Offensive Will Make Russia Fight ‘A Two-Front War’
16,432 views Aug 30, 2022 Former Deputy Commander of U.S. European Command Lt. Gen. Stephen Twitty (Ret.) joins Andrea Mitchell to break down the significance of the Ukrainian counter-offensive against Russian forces in Russian-occupied territories in Kherson, Ukraine. Lt. Gen. Twitty says that announcing the counter-offensive ahead of time has two motivations. First, it encourages Russia to move some troops to the region, which “puts Russia on a two-front war.” Second, it is “psychological warfare” that takes advantage of the “low morale in the Russian armed forces” by telling “the Russian soldiers, ‘hey, you stay there if you want, we’re coming to get you.’”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ukraine is using fake rocket launchers made of wood to get Russia to waste its missiles on useless targets, report says

  • Ukraine is tricking Russia with fake rocket launchers made of wood, The Washington Post reported.
  • Russia is firing at the useless target and wasting missiles as a result, the report said.
  • Ukraine is making more of the dummy launchers as the strategy is working, an official said.
Ukraine is firing wooden decoys made to look like rocket launchers to trick Russia into wasting its missiles on them, The Washington Post reported.

The decoys are made of wood but look like advanced US rocket launchers when spotted by Russia's drones, The Post reported.

The drones then send the location of the dummy launchers to Russia's cruise missile carriers in the Black Sea, prompting the carriers to fire — but on useless targets, The Post reported.

The Post said its report was based on interviews with interviews with senior US and Ukrainian officials. The Post said it has also seen photos of the wooden decoys.

Russia used at least 10 Kalibr cruise missiles in the first weeks of Ukraine trying the strategy, a senior Ukrainian official told The Post.

Ukraine is now making more of those decoy rocket launchers as a result, the official told The Post. The official did not say how many.

Russia has been targeting Ukrainian rocket launchers, including the US-donated High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) that have allowed Ukraine to hit some strategic targets.

The Post noted that the dummy systems may have been behind Russia's claim that it had destroyed some HIMARS, even though Ukraine denies it and the US says all HIMARS are accounted for, working, and still in Ukrainian hands.

Ukraine's fight against Russia has been largely fueled by Western weapons. But the West was hesitant to give advanced weapons early in the war for fear they would end up in Russian hands.

Ukraine was also used to fighting Russia despite having a significantly smaller weapons supply. Russia repeatedly attacked Ukraine's east even before it invaded this February.

This means Ukraine's army is known for improvising, creating their own weapons by putting materials together, and finding ways to fight Russia while preserving its own weapons supply.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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As Russia's war 'drags on,' EU expands Ukraine's military training to include 'NATO-class weaponry'
6,635 views Aug 31, 2022 European Union defence ministers have agreed to start the work necessary for setting up an EU military assistance mission for Ukraine, the bloc's top diplomat Josep Borrell said on Tuesday. Joining FRANCE 24 for further analysis is Dr. Samuel Ramani, Associate Fellow at the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) and Tutor of Politics and International Relations at the University of Oxford. He says that, aside from providing Ukraine training in the use of NATO-class weaponry, the EU military training "won't necessarily be extending the parameters that much. It will be more of a centralized strategy in the training efforts that we've already seen coming out of the European Union countries and NATO."
 

printer

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There were photographic evidence of the defeat of Ukrainian troops during an attempted counteroffensive in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions
More and more documentary (photo and video) evidence of a major defeat of the enemy, who recently launched a counteroffensive in the southern direction, appears on the network. Recall that, according to the estimates of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the one-time losses of the Ukrainian armed forces during an attack from several directions in the Nikolaev and Kherson regions amounted to about 1200 people. These are the maximum one-time losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for several months. Moreover, they are comparable to the losses of the Ukrainian army in the boiler near Ilovaisk in the summer of 2014.

The footage, which was filmed by drones of our troops, as well as military correspondents, included the affected Ukrainian equipment, including trucks, on which personnel and ammunition were brought to the front line “for a breakthrough”.



On the frames presented in this material, you can see Polish-made tanks that were recently delivered to Ukraine, including what was left of these tanks.



The counteroffensive was clearly timed to coincide with the European summit, at which Ukrainian Defense Minister Reznikov spoke remotely. But he could not please his European sponsors with anything. Silence reigns in the Ukrainian political field. The authorities are in no hurry to inform the people of Ukraine about the defeat of the Ukrainian troops in the Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

This is a Russian military news site. Anyone spot the inconstancy in the evidence?
 

BudmanTX

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There were photographic evidence of the defeat of Ukrainian troops during an attempted counteroffensive in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions
More and more documentary (photo and video) evidence of a major defeat of the enemy, who recently launched a counteroffensive in the southern direction, appears on the network. Recall that, according to the estimates of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the one-time losses of the Ukrainian armed forces during an attack from several directions in the Nikolaev and Kherson regions amounted to about 1200 people. These are the maximum one-time losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for several months. Moreover, they are comparable to the losses of the Ukrainian army in the boiler near Ilovaisk in the summer of 2014.

The footage, which was filmed by drones of our troops, as well as military correspondents, included the affected Ukrainian equipment, including trucks, on which personnel and ammunition were brought to the front line “for a breakthrough”.



On the frames presented in this material, you can see Polish-made tanks that were recently delivered to Ukraine, including what was left of these tanks.



The counteroffensive was clearly timed to coincide with the European summit, at which Ukrainian Defense Minister Reznikov spoke remotely. But he could not please his European sponsors with anything. Silence reigns in the Ukrainian political field. The authorities are in no hurry to inform the people of Ukraine about the defeat of the Ukrainian troops in the Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

This is a Russian military news site. Anyone spot the inconstancy in the evidence?
that's a heavy yes.......
 

cannabineer

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There were photographic evidence of the defeat of Ukrainian troops during an attempted counteroffensive in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions
More and more documentary (photo and video) evidence of a major defeat of the enemy, who recently launched a counteroffensive in the southern direction, appears on the network. Recall that, according to the estimates of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the one-time losses of the Ukrainian armed forces during an attack from several directions in the Nikolaev and Kherson regions amounted to about 1200 people. These are the maximum one-time losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for several months. Moreover, they are comparable to the losses of the Ukrainian army in the boiler near Ilovaisk in the summer of 2014.

The footage, which was filmed by drones of our troops, as well as military correspondents, included the affected Ukrainian equipment, including trucks, on which personnel and ammunition were brought to the front line “for a breakthrough”.



On the frames presented in this material, you can see Polish-made tanks that were recently delivered to Ukraine, including what was left of these tanks.



The counteroffensive was clearly timed to coincide with the European summit, at which Ukrainian Defense Minister Reznikov spoke remotely. But he could not please his European sponsors with anything. Silence reigns in the Ukrainian political field. The authorities are in no hurry to inform the people of Ukraine about the defeat of the Ukrainian troops in the Nikolaev and Kherson regions.

This is a Russian military news site. Anyone spot the inconstancy in the evidence?
Nothing definite. My suspicion is that, since Russian drones don’t last long, this is repurposed non-Russian data minus any signatures such as bodies or identifiers on the vehicles.

Okay whadd I miss? The way I read your question is that there is a specific inconsistency I am not recognizing.

(edit) duh.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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LOL


i can't figure out what this is about.., four energy oligarchs die suspiciously in a short period of time, but three of them were retired...
lukoil's board criticized putin's war soon after it started, but only two of the four dead were associated with lukoil...
7 oligarchs have died suspiciously since January, 6 of them in the oil and gas industry, one was in medical supplies...
things happen for reasons...and i can't seem to decipher the reason those people were killed. revenge for not being loyal to putin applies to about half of them, the other half, not so much...is it possible that some of them were killed at putin's direction, and some of them were killed by some resistance group against putin and his oligarchs?
the whole situation doesn't make sense to me...
 
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