Was Biden a good choice or was he the only choice?

nuskool89 said:

you’re dismissing all of that because it came from an organization you don’t like. The data is not partisan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/11/16/second-biggest-program-democrats-budget-gives-billions-rich/

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I would say more that the data is cherry picked by a propagandist organization (Heartland institute).

As for your new link, I would point out that the Democrats legislate for 100% of the nation, which includes wealthy people too. And the penalty that Trump did to hurt the blue states being reversed is something that is part of a mix of things in the bill that benefits 100% of Americans.

nuskool89 said:

I have a feeling in another year, even people who have no opinion of politics will be missing that time Trump was in office. Mean tweets and immorality aside, people’s pockets were doing better.

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You’re probably right, but it would only be the stupid people that can’t grasp this is happening everywhere and is caused by a global pandemic.

I assume we can put you in with the stupid crowd?

CunningCanuk said:

You’re probably right, but it would only be the stupid people that can’t grasp this is happening everywhere and is caused by a global pandemic.

I assume we can put you in with the stupid crowd?

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I disagree and find it irrational to dismiss mistakes made by current elected or appointed officials as simply a result of the pandemic.

If it means anything, even though I have a different world view than you I don’t assume you’re stupid

nuskool89 said:

The Democratic objective is anti republican and Vice versa. Democratics are always more in step and fall in line with party leadership. Republicans often times fuck their own shit up (Paul Ryan being the perfect example)

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No. The far right press is pushing the lie in your first sentence. GOP is pushing grievance politics while the DP isn’t.
Curious that you project your hate-based motives onto the opponent. It is diagnostic of MAGA, even as you try to spin yourself as a moderate. Moderates no longer have a place in the GOP.

nuskool89 said:

I disagree and find it irrational to dismiss mistakes made by current elected or appointed officials as simply a result of the pandemic.

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What mistakes are you referring to?

Jesus does my post really make me somehow right wing. Grandpapy just tell me what following the money means from a layman's perspective? I wasn't suggesting that I was going to follow the trail to corruption I was simply suggesting we pursue fraud wear it exists. How would you like to have me teach my children? One thing I have taught them is to engage other people and try to change their political leaning. This forums does not make any effort to bring people into the fold with the exception of a few who realize that education works much better. I also don't think I said anything defending congressman who benefited hugely from the pandemic. I thought I suggested we pursue fraud. Hannibal are you suggesting that Democrats don't fill bills with pork and that the Republicans are the only party that does. I really don't think that you do. I'm pretty certain there are crooks on both sides of the aisle and no. I definitely did not read either of the bills put through.
I'm pro choice. I'm not opposed to a national heath program. I think we should institute some forms of gun control. Think people should make a living wage but I'm not sure how to go about accomplishing that. I think we should provide funding to black universities who are struggling. I've also have never voted for a republican candidate of any kind. If any of that makes me the enemy here I apologize. If I am not towing the party line I really don't give a fuck. For those of you who responded constructively I appreciate it.

nuskool89 said:

Both parties have and have had dissent. Democrats are better at quieting those differences when it comes time to vote or pass something along Party lines.

How quick did Manchin need to be “purged” when he fell out of line? There was headline after headline

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I guess I just have a different take, though I do get what you are saying. Pelosi is good at running things.

On Manchin and sinnamon as I will call her, there are calls to kick them out. They are torpedoing the stuff the centrists push. It's stuff barely acceptable to the left wing of the party. Trying to continue to appease those two will cost them with the more liberal part of the party.

CatHedral said:

No. The far right press is pushing the lie in your first sentence. GOP is pushing grievance politics while the DP isn’t.
Curious that you project your hate-based motives onto the opponent. It is diagnostic of MAGA, even as you try to spin yourself as a moderate. Moderates no longer have a place in the GOP.

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Im not a moderate and don’t have hate-based motives. For four years the democrats solely focused on anything anti Trump even if it was good for the nation. Everything was a scandal. Everything was partisan. It still is.

(Cooper said to the debaters, "You've all made a few people upset over your political careers. Which enemy are you most proud of?"

Hillary Clinton: Well, in addition to the NRA, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the Iranians. Probably the Republicans.)

even with inflation, the ongoing pandemic, high gas prices, biden still narrowly leads trump in 2024 voting polls.

HGCC said:

Pelosi is good at running things

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all this chirping that the repubs are gonna make trump speaker of the house in 22 is laughable. he'd actually have to do some work and not golf every other day

rkymtnman said:

even with inflation, the ongoing pandemic, high gas prices, biden still narrowly leads trump in 2024 voting polls.

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Are you referring to the WSJ poll? Not even a year into his first term and he’s already “virtually tied” with Trump, should be telling. Especially with the level of dislike for Trump.

If the Republicans put up a candidate that isn’t Trump, it’ll be a landslide R victory. I think it will be much harder for Trump to make it through another campaign with all the baggage. I just don’t know if he can get out of his own way

nuskool89 said:

Are you referring to the WSJ poll? Not even a year into his first term and he’s already “virtually tied” with Trump, should be telling. Especially with the level of dislike for Trump.

If the Republicans put up a candidate that isn’t Trump, it’ll be a landslide R victory. I think it will be much harder for Trump to make it through another campaign with all the baggage. I just don’t know if he can get out of his own way

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Fake news lil buddy
FAKE NEWS !

nuskool89 said:

Im not a moderate and don’t have hate-based motives. For four years the democrats solely focused on anything anti Trump even if it was good for the nation. Everything was a scandal.

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What do you think trump did that was good for the nation? The wall? The healthcare plan? The infrastructure plan?

Don’t worry trumptard, you can vote for trump and JFK Jr. soon enough.

nuskool89 said:

If the Republicans put up a candidate that isn’t Trump, it’ll be a landslide R victory

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if??? lmao. they have nobody but trump.

and he already lost the house, the senate, AZ and GA and the POTUS. and got destroyed by Biden.

nuskool89 said:

Im not a moderate and don’t have hate-based motives. For four years the democrats solely focused on anything anti Trump even if it was good for the nation. Everything was a scandal. Everything was partisan. It still is.

(Cooper said to the debaters, "You've all made a few people upset over your political careers. Which enemy are you most proud of?"

Hillary Clinton: Well, in addition to the NRA, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the Iranians. Probably the Republicans.)

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You are giving far-right alt-fact oxygen. So I agree that you’re no moderate.
Unlike MAGA who define themselves by grievance and assault on the institutions of liberty, the Democrats do not. Yes, they recognize that man and the ugly desires he stokes in the base are worth attacking 24/7, but unlike MAGA, the Democrats have an actual agenda to make things happen. Shame the Repugs and a very few D power players are gumming up the works at every opportunity Manchin comes to mind.

Where do you stock up on alt-fact?

Herb & Suds said:

Fake news lil buddy
FAKE NEWS !

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That’s the article with the WSJ poll at 46-45

i'm hoping the GOP doesn't run trump as their candidate.

trump will take his racist morons with him and the dems will win in a landslide if they run Beau Biden. lol.

rkymtnman said:

if??? lmao. they have nobody but trump.

and he already lost the house, the senate, AZ and GA and the POTUS. and got destroyed by Biden.

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I can think of several better candidates than Trump. Someone I think would be very palatable and personally like is Dan Crenshaw

Rottedroots said:

Hannibal are you suggesting that Democrats don't fill bills with pork and that the Republicans are the only party that does. I really don't think that you do. I'm pretty certain there are crooks on both sides of the aisle and no. I definitely did not read either of the bills put through.

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I think that there is a big difference between things in a bill being set up for Trump's minions to scam as much as possible from the taxpayers and things that people may or may not take advantage of that were not necessarily by design. Also I think that 'pork' means different things to different perspectives. It is like people complaining about weird studies, they are able to be trolled, but that doesn't mean that it is not important science. Those cities that the 'pork' goes into tend to be highly benefitial to those areas even if others might not realize it when they don't live there.

As for the 'crooks' comment, I would point out it is a lot easier to be a crook when everyone is pushing the same con like the Republicans have been doing. The Democrats (in office) don't have a single agenda set up and it is a lot harder to get away with shit because of it.

rkymtnman said:

if??? lmao. they have nobody but trump.

and he already lost the house, the senate, AZ and GA and the POTUS. and got destroyed by Biden.

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I was thinking how any legit candidate won't be able to win the Republican primary, so they would end up with some troll like Pompeo, Christie, Cruz, Paul, the republican Gabbard, etc, and they would get spanked because they are all complicit in the attack on our society along with Trump.

rkymtnman said:

i'm hoping the GOP doesn't run trump as their candidate.

trump will take his racist morons with him and the dems will win in a landslide if they run Beau Biden. lol.

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Im meh either way the Republicans end up with (Trump or not) really. Until they stop running on lies and divisiveness it really doesn't matter.

nuskool89 said:

I can think of several better candidates than Trump. Someone I think would be very palatable and personally like is Dan Crenshaw

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Republicans do like their cartoon characters.

nuskool89 said:

I can think of several better candidates than Trump. Someone I think would be very palatable and personally like is Dan Crenshaw

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too bad but guess what, you won't be picking the candidate.

the gop loses with trump or without trump.