Water: The Most Essential Compound


  • i use a 55 gal drum and catch rain water from my the eve of my house works great ! i diddnt know ro systems wasted 2/3 of the water i wanted to get one ,not any more my rin water works great!​




  • I'm guessing though...and again just a guess. That rain water may not always work great. If living in a highly industrial area wouldn't the clouds containing all the water vapor mix with the pollutants and cause a low PH level. I guess acid rain...But I know that acid rain is also a phenomenon so i'm not saying your feeding them acid rain just saying you might want to check your PH levels before feeding your babies :). First post I believe. lol
 

Walter9999

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  • i use a 55 gal drum and catch rain water from my the eve of my house works great ! i diddnt know ro systems wasted 2/3 of the water i wanted to get one ,not any more my rin water works great!​




Ditto on the rain barrel's. I've got two hooked together in series and I Use a Women's nylon over the spigot on the barrels when filling my empty recycled milk bottles to keep any gremlins out of the vessel.
 

Badmf

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Great idea to consider the water as it is what controls the nutes as far as adding or having a def. of something essential. Rain water is great but if it is collected from your roof what did it pick up off the roof? Boiling it is a waste of time,It would kill organisms but won't remove most chemicals, it has extra oxygen molecules which invigorate roots. But it won't keep in that state. the Ozone factor. RO systems do have various ratios of waste but you could use it for your lawn etc it won't do any harm. Many bottle machines use filters which don't get the maintenace they should!! I see folks carting away this stuff as if its manna from heaven. Most here are located outside coin laundries. Also keep in mind nutrient man'fers formulate off "tap" so they adjust according to what they believe they are starting with now some know you may use R/O and have seperate formulas for that. GH is one. Your food crops are using tap and whatever rain comes upon them, its not an answer in total but part of the issue. Simply do an easy experiment with some potted plants, feed one tap plus whatever nute at the same rate Ph etc as the ones using RO and /or distilled et al. and chart the differnces if any. Is it worth invessting time resources to change you will have an answer right there. No time for this. Just want an answer. Well I have grown with tap and its 8.3 and varies from 330-390 throughout the year. I have several R/O units and have run them. The benefit of RO is better drinking water for you. Bottles waste a lot of energy transporting etc and who needs more plastic residues? Landfill too. I havehad very sucessful grows with tap based waters, I have had some nightmares with RO as I had to figure which elements needed to be added back. Cal Mag etc. and at what rate. It made my grow a science project from hell! I wanted a simple fix, something that would be easy to do without chemicals so I use some RO mixed with tap around 60/40 to add back the missing. It works well. No nute defs and healthy plants. I do filter for paticulate matter as hydro units can get clogged up. I will run a set of experiments to show what happened with tap vs etc. Need to find that cam, I think it has legs, always somewhere else. anyways I am rooting some Bubba bx2 and Herijuanas and will devote a few to a pot to see what the outcome is. Great post BTW Good info and a wake up to thise who overlooked the water, ahhh. Yes the water.
 

doc111

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Physical Properties of Water


We live on a planet that is dominated by water. More than 70% of the Earth's surface is covered with this simple molecule. Scientists estimate that the hydrosphere contains about 1.36 billion cubic kilometers of this substance mostly in the form of a liquid (water) that occupies topographic depressions on the Earth. The second most common form of the water molecule on our planet is ice. If all our planet's ice melted, sea-level would rise by about 70 meters.








Water is also essential for life. Water is the major constituent of almost all life forms. Most animals and plants contain more than 60% water by volume. Without water life would probably never have developed on our planet.












Water has a very simple atomic structure. This structure consists of two hydrogen atoms bonded to one oxygen atom (Figure 8a-1). The nature of the atomic structure of water causes its molecules to have unique electrochemical properties. The hydrogen side of the water molecule has a slight positive charge (see Figure 8a-1). On the other side of the molecule a negative charge exists. This molecular polarity causes water to be a powerful solvent and is responsible for its strong surface tension (for more information on these two properties see the discussion below).​






















Figure 8a-1: The atomic structure of a water (or dihydrogen monoxide) molecule consists of two hydrogen (H) atoms joined to one oxygen (O) atom. The unique way in which the hydrogen atoms are attached to the oxygen atom causes one side of the molecule to have a negative charge and the area in the opposite direction to have a positive charge. The resulting polarity of charge causes molecules of water to be attracted to each other forming strong molecular bonds.







When the water molecule makes a physical phase change its molecules arrange themselves in distinctly different patterns (Figure 8a-2). The molecular arrangement taken by ice (the solid form of the water molecule) leads to an increase in volume and a decrease in density. Expansion of the water molecule at freezing allows ice to float on top of liquid water.​











































Figure 8a-2: The three diagrams above illustrate the distinct arrangement patterns of water molecules as they change their physical state from ice to water to gas. Frozen water molecules arrange themselves in a particular highly organized rigid geometric pattern that causes the mass of water to expand and to decrease in density. The diagram above shows a slice through a mass of ice that is one molecule wide. In the liquid phase, water molecules arrange themselves into small groups of joined particles. The fact that these arrangements are small allows liquid water to move and flow. Water molecules in the form of a gas are highly charged with energy. This high energy state causes the molecules to be always moving reducing the likelihood of bonds between individual molecules from forming.






Water has several other unique physical properties. These properties are:






  • Water has a high specific heat. Specific heat is the amount of energy required to change the temperature of a substance. Because water has a high specific heat, it can absorb large amounts of heat energy before it begins to get hot. It also means that water releases heat energy slowly when situations cause it to cool. Water's high specific heat allows for the moderation of the Earth's climate and helps organisms regulate their body temperature more effectively.
  • Water in a pure state has a neutral pH. As a result, pure water is neither acidic nor basic. Water changes its pH when substances are dissolved in it. Rain has a naturally acidic pH of about 5.6 because it contains natural derived carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide.
  • Water conducts heat more easily than any liquid except mercury. This fact causes large bodies of liquid water like lakes and oceans to have essentially a uniform vertical temperature profile.
  • Water molecules exist in liquid form over an important range of temperature from 0 - 100° Celsius. This range allows water molecules to exist as a liquid in most places on our planet.
  • Water is a universal solvent. It is able to dissolve a large number of different chemical compounds. This feature also enables water to carry solvent nutrients in runoff, infiltration, groundwater flow, and living organisms.
  • Water has a high surface tension (Figures 8a-3 and 8a-4). In other words, water is adhesive and elastic, and tends to aggregate in drops rather than spread out over a surface as a thin film. This phenomenon also causes water to stick to the sides of vertical structures despite gravity's downward pull. Water's high surface tension allows for the formation of water droplets and waves, allows plants to move water (and dissolved nutrients) from their roots to their leaves, and the movement of blood through tiny vessels in the bodies of some animals.


















Figure 8a-3: The following illustration shows how water molecules are attracted to each other to create high surface tension. This property can cause water to exist as an extensive thin film over solid surfaces. In the example above, the film is two layers of water molecules thick.


























Figure 8a-4: The adhesive bonding property of water molecules allows for the formation of water droplets (Photo © 2004 Edward Tsang).​











  • Water molecules are the only substance on Earth that exist in all three physical states of matter: solid, liquid, and gas. Incorporated in the changes of state are massive amounts of heat exchange. This feature plays an important role in the redistribution of heat energy in the Earth's atmosphere. In terms of heat being transferred into the atmosphere, approximately 3/4's of this process is accomplished by the evaporation and condensation of water.
  • The freezing of water molecules causes their mass to occupy a larger volume. When water freezes it expands rapidly adding about 9% by volume. Fresh water has a maximum density at around 4° Celsius (see Table 8a-1). Water is the only substance on this planet where the maximum density of its mass does not occur when it becomes solidified.






Source: Physical geography.net​



one thing you left buddy ph value

ph value of water is 7


if its less than 7 the water become acid

if its more than 7 the water become sour/basic.

have a look...,

pH Value H+ Concentration Relative to Pure Water Example
0 10 000 000 battery acid
1 1 000 000 sulfuric acid
2 100 000 lemon juice, vinegar
3 10 000 orange juice, soda
4 1 000 tomato juice, acid rain
5 100 black coffee, bananas
6 10 urine, milk
7 1 pure water
8 0.1 sea water, eggs
9 0.01 baking soda
10 0.001 Great Salt Lake, milk of magnesia
11 0.000 1 ammonia solution
12 0.000 01 soapy water
13 0.000 001 bleach, oven cleaner
14 0.000 000 1 liquid drain cleaner
I didn't forget, it's just embedded in a broader post. Post #19 on the second page (which I quoted above your quote) deals with pH towards the bottom. Welcome to RIU.
 

hotrodharley

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Nicely done. And that is from a dialysis nurse. Our patients' lives revolve around water as does the entire dialysis process. You covered the subject extremely well. 8)
 

Joshue

Member
Seemingly water had played an important role on every aspect of life which is also a necessary tool in enriching bio-life.
 

Lendar

Member
I have been reading this thread for days, now I want to say thanks to doc. This thread should read every grower.
 

hotrodharley

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I have been reading this thread for days, now I want to say thanks to doc. This thread should read every grower.
I think I know what you are saying and I agree. I think. Water. Earth - the Blue Planet. The Water Planet. People keep freaking on nutes on this site it seems but ignore water and air the most.
 

Dr. Kundilini

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doc111, Excellent thread. Seems I have been reading for hours. So much info, tips, comments about the basic cornerstone of life. Simple water is really not so simple and you are helping inform people and debunk the myths that seem to get legs on some of the forums. All the information on this thread didn't just appear. It took many hours to gather, process and post. Thanks you for all your efort.
 

Medicine4Me

Active Member
Nice post doc111!

I always was of the opinion that light was the most important part of the recipie for great growing. I don't have hard water, but I have learned to stop letting the water stand 48 hours. Sometmes the water smelled rank. Now I just use ph down and fresh water plus nutrients.

Water is sacred!
 

Warriorbuds

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I think my 1 and only plant is going to die because of feeding it tap water......had no idea a)my water was that hard/bad? b)that water is that important to plant life! Leafs have all gone yellow and died and/or are dying off, and I just performed an emergency flush with boiled water last night.....any ideas on saving this plant guys? Please help a new newbie out!!! TY
Great site!
 
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