Watering detail; how often do you water? When to start using feed?

Any help is appreciated; how often should one water his baby girl...when the soil is just drying out or do I keep it damp, how often during flowering and when is the best point to involve feeds, I am currently just touching soil surface and if theres no moisture ill give her a drink, shes 2ft 11 (35") do I need to introduce a watering cycle? Any tips would be great :peace:
 

Banana444

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No you do not want to keep the soil moist. Plants need oxygen in the roots just as much as they need water every once in a while. Watering will greatly depend on your plant size and the container it is in, and the medium. If your in something as small as a solo cup, it will need water about every 4 days while its small, but once it gets bigger you could be watering everyday in that small of container.
 
Pot size aproxx 7.5ltr -plant size 3ft - soil currently slightly moist. Been watering every couple of days but I think too much .s
 

Banana444

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Soil should feel completely dry before watering. Every 2 might be too often but it all depends. Pics would help to see if it looks overwatered. If you think your overwatering, you probably are. One tip that can help a little with overwatering is make a 1"layer of lavarock or perlite or hydroballs or pea gravel or a mix in the bottom of your pots, this along with lots of drainage holes will ensure water isn't accumulating at the bottom of your pot and it makes it a little harder to overwater.
 

waterdawg

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I used to just go by weight. Lift the pot and if it feels light water it. Im running hydro now so no issues. Not sure if i ever let my plants completely dry out though. Not sure if thats a good thing. They would start to droop if to dry.
 

Ninja Mechanics

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I agree with waterdawg. I lift each pot to determine when a plant needs water, this will tell you accurately when to water. When a container is "light" or on the verge of being completely dry and the plant is still perky, I usually water at that point. Plants will survive even if there is no moisture left in the pot, however, if you run a all natural set up there is a point where not enough water can be detrimental to the health of a plant. Much of the microbial life found in healthy soil will rely on super tiny microscopic droplets of water that cling to soil particles, plants don't use this water. I often take clones and root them in cups, from time to time I accidentally let the dry up completely. The roots will be dry and brittle while the plants/clones remain healthy and lush, no drooping or anything. In my experience it is plant dependent but some plants will begin to wilt after a matter of hours of having absolutely no water to soak up, some plants will go a full day and sometimes multiple days with zero moisture in the cup. In most cases if the clones were taken from a healthy plant, the dried up clones will bounce right back, even after they have wilted, appearing to be dead. Ive got one male in my garden that I have let die fully in a container, dried up plant, no lush green to be seen. Gave it a small drink of water and one shoot came back to life(which means the plant was actually still alive).

I always split up my watering doses into two or three separate doses, depending on how established a particular plant is; newly transplanted plants usually get three, fairly root bound plants will generally get two because they soak up the water and distribute it throughout the soil/root ball much faster and easier. If I was watering a three gallon container(typically 3/4-1 gallon of water I would water once with around 1 cup of water, wait 5-15 minutes, then give one more cup, wait 5-15 minutes, then give the remaining water. Doing this will assist the soil is drawing in fresh air and also will help distribute the water more evenly throughout the medium.
I derived this technique from a Japanese bonsai growing book I picked up at Hastings a few years ago.. "Water once for soil, once for the roots, and once for the plant" Its not necessary to take it to that extreme but at the very least, watering twice is far superior than trying to soak the entire root ball all at once. Experiment a bit, you will see why I feel this way.

On another note, some plants don't like to be allowed to dry out as much as others. Some of them just prefer more stable moisture levels. My Panama Red is like this, only after becoming very established in a container will she tolerate extended dry periods. Took me awhile to realize that but after experimenting a bit, it was clearly obvious to me how she needed to be handled to keep healthy and vigorous. Similar to a citrus tree and things of that nature.

In short, I recommend trying to developed a sense of container weight to determine when to water. From there experience will reveal all the little tips and tricks in between to take it to the next level.
If you are having trouble figuring that out, simply place a dry container of soil equal to the size of container your plants are in. Also place a container that is heavily saturated with water next to the dry one. Lift them often to compare and troubleshoot. Small learning curve but its worth the time and effort to learn IMO/IME.
 

waterdawg

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As ninga says multiple waterings will be better distributed through out the container. I always did two. I would water them all and start over and do them again. Jeez I now remember why i switched to hydro lol. That and fungus gnats!!! Little bastards!!!
 
Does anybody know if watering my plants from watering tray below pot would produce a better root system as they will dig for the water or shall I continue to water via the top?
 

RIKNSTEIN

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I agree with waterdawg. I lift each pot to determine when a plant needs water, this will tell you accurately when to water. When a container is "light" or on the verge of being completely dry and the plant is still perky, I usually water at that point. Plants will survive even if there is no moisture left in the pot, however, if you run a all natural set up there is a point where not enough water can be detrimental to the health of a plant. Much of the microbial life found in healthy soil will rely on super tiny microscopic droplets of water that cling to soil particles, plants don't use this water. I often take clones and root them in cups, from time to time I accidentally let the dry up completely. The roots will be dry and brittle while the plants/clones remain healthy and lush, no drooping or anything. In my experience it is plant dependent but some plants will begin to wilt after a matter of hours of having absolutely no water to soak up, some plants will go a full day and sometimes multiple days with zero moisture in the cup. In most cases if the clones were taken from a healthy plant, the dried up clones will bounce right back, even after they have wilted, appearing to be dead. Ive got one male in my garden that I have let die fully in a container, dried up plant, no lush green to be seen. Gave it a small drink of water and one shoot came back to life(which means the plant was actually still alive).

I always split up my watering doses into two or three separate doses, depending on how established a particular plant is; newly transplanted plants usually get three, fairly root bound plants will generally get two because they soak up the water and distribute it throughout the soil/root ball much faster and easier. If I was watering a three gallon container(typically 3/4-1 gallon of water I would water once with around 1 cup of water, wait 5-15 minutes, then give one more cup, wait 5-15 minutes, then give the remaining water. Doing this will assist the soil is drawing in fresh air and also will help distribute the water more evenly throughout the medium.
I derived this technique from a Japanese bonsai growing book I picked up at Hastings a few years ago.. "Water once for soil, once for the roots, and once for the plant" Its not necessary to take it to that extreme but at the very least, watering twice is far superior than trying to soak the entire root ball all at once. Experiment a bit, you will see why I feel this way.

On another note, some plants don't like to be allowed to dry out as much as others. Some of them just prefer more stable moisture levels. My Panama Red is like this, only after becoming very established in a container will she tolerate extended dry periods. Took me awhile to realize that but after experimenting a bit, it was clearly obvious to me how she needed to be handled to keep healthy and vigorous. Similar to a citrus tree and things of that nature.

In short, I recommend trying to developed a sense of container weight to determine when to water. From there experience will reveal all the little tips and tricks in between to take it to the next level.
If you are having trouble figuring that out, simply place a dry container of soil equal to the size of container your plants are in. Also place a container that is heavily saturated with water next to the dry one. Lift them often to compare and troubleshoot. Small learning curve but its worth the time and effort to learn IMO/IME.
WOW ninja, that was long winded...you lost me at, "I agree with waterdawg." man after that I saw this huge chasm (big hole in the earth) and couldn't go any further for fear of losing myself :fire:
 

RIKNSTEIN

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Does anybody know if watering my plants from watering tray below pot would produce a better root system as they will dig for the water or shall I continue to water via the top?
NOOOOO!!!! Don't do it, it will promote root rot for it to be setting in water for too long...always water/feed from top and let drain good...I have mine setting over a wire grate on the floor and all my drain water goes outside...good luck...and welcome to RIU...
 
NOOOOO!!!! Don't do it, it will promote root rot for it to be setting in water for too long...always water/feed from top and let drain good...I have mine setting over a wire grate on the floor and all my drain water goes outside...good luck...and welcome to RIU...
Ok thanks for advice, I spoke to a person today and he told me to alternate feeding between the top and bottom, told me the roots would search it out through soil, it reli stooped me I didnt think having water in the botom slowly absorb would be any good because it would go stagnant and nasty an eventually lead to a defect, but I wasnt sure he was so genuine about it.
 

RIKNSTEIN

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Any help is appreciated; how often should one water his baby girl...when the soil is just drying out or do I keep it damp, how often during flowering and when is the best point to involve feeds, I am currently just touching soil surface and if theres no moisture ill give her a drink, shes 2ft 11 (35") do I need to introduce a watering cycle? Any tips would be great :peace:
Is she healthy?? Being that big (35") I would imagine your alright with what you're doing as long as she's healthy and in a big enough pot...I water every 3rd day because I have a 50/50 mix of supersoil and perlite for better drainage...so it really depends on what you have in your medium and how well it drains...good luck, got any pics???
 

RIKNSTEIN

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Ok thanks for advice, I spoke to a person today and he told me to alternate feeding between the top and bottom, told me the roots would search it out through soil, it reli stooped me I didnt think having water in the botom slowly absorb would be any good because it would go stagnant and nasty an eventually lead to a defect, but I wasnt sure he was so genuine about it.
Some people like to act as if they know it all...it really pisses off those of us that do :clap:...haha j/k man, I'm still learnin too...and you're absolutely right about that, it will become stagnant and get bad bacteria in it that will cause root rot and other disease...I can't express enough about not letting your girls "set" in water...they do need to dry out for oxygen to get to the roots, but not for too long, mine are dry for a day and then I water/feed...and about feeding, as soon as those lil round leaves are wilting ((cotyledons=food/energy for younglings)) usually about 3-4 weeks old, it's time to start 1/4 strength nutes and work your way up to full strength from there...hope this helps man...
 
She is healthy for the bad box standard setup I gave her for my first attempt, she is a bagseed but I dont hold that against her and ive put her in a 7.5ltr pot, the medium is of good quality (apparently) premixed from a reliable friend that gave to me to get stated. Ive only used 3x25wcfl and allready know my next attempt will require more, my my concern was with watering frequency, types of waterimg and nute intoduction. Thanks for yor post it has helped especially reguarding the sitting in water. Pic ive got at moment...
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RIKNSTEIN

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She is healthy for the bad box standard setup I gave her for my first attempt, she is a bagseed but I dont hold that against her and ive put her in a 7.5ltr pot, the medium is of good quality (apparently) premixed from a reliable friend that gave to me to get stated. Ive only used 3x25wcfl and allready know my next attempt will require more, my my concern was with watering frequency, types of waterimg and nute intoduction. Thanks for yor post it has helped especially reguarding the sitting in water. Pic ive got at moment...
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Yeah man, she looks good :mrgreen: nice job...looks like a kushy bag bean there :hump: nice and frosty already...remember it's not ready until those hairs recede to nothing and are replaced by swollen calyxes :blsmoke: good luck and my only suggestion would be to veg longer, wait till the nodes are staggering instead of right across from each other and little branches start to form in those staggered nodes and throw her into flower, trust me you will be much happier about what you get in return...and it doesn't take that much for 1 plant, when I did CFLs I used around 150w per plant and did great...now I use HIDs and do much better :twisted: peace bro...
 

Purplekrunchie

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You don't need to feed until about 4-5 weeks in, and when you do, don't over feed, better to feed too little than too much. You will often see people say 1/2 dose and feed slightly more often, that is a good method. But of course I don't know what you are feeding them so it's tough to say. if it's organics, remember they are slower acting, and last longer, so don't panic and let it take hold.
 

fandango

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I some times use a combo set up,growing in 9"square pots filled a 4x4 flood table with em,got a water pump in the res and a long hose so I can top water...but now thw plants are kind of big and hard ro get to with the top feed routine,so I use the fllod and drain program which is automated now.
 
I some times use a combo set up,growing in 9"square pots filled a 4x4 flood table with em,got a water pump in the res and a long hose so I can top water...but now thw plants are kind of big and hard ro get to with the top feed routine,so I use the fllod and drain program which is automated now.
So aslsong as you keep the water moving wiv pump you get no issues?
 
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