Ways of knowing

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Different ways of knowing the same objective knowledge

This reminds me of something I hear in the art business quite a bit..

"it doesn't matter how you get to the final product, that doesn't matter, what matters is that you end up with a product you can sell"

meaning, there are a million different ways to create art (perceive knowledge), nobody cares how you get to the final result (truth) as long as you get there (reality).

I've interacted with different people who believe this means something like our experiences create our own subjective reality, and both of them are equally as valid in regards to truth, which I don't believe is actually true. If it were, you could say ghosts were just as real as dogs, and me saying otherwise would hold no bearing on your reality.

I think the only reality that really matters, especially when you are trying to discover what is true, is that which can be measured. That is the key. If we can't measure it, how can we know where it falls on the plane between objective and subjective?

To me, this is why science will always reign supreme, it's a tool used to elevate simple belief in something to actual truth.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Padawanbater2 said:
Different ways of knowing the same objective knowledge

This reminds me of something I hear in the art business quite a bit..

"it doesn't matter how you get to the final product, that doesn't matter, what matters is that you end up with a product you can sell"

meaning, there are a million different ways to create art (perceive knowledge), nobody cares how you get to the final result (truth) as long as you get there (reality).

I've interacted with different people who believe this means something like our experiences create our own subjective reality, and both of them are equally as valid in regards to truth, which I don't believe is actually true. If it were, you could say ghosts were just as real as dogs, and me saying otherwise would hold no bearing on your reality.

I think the only reality that really matters, especially when you are trying to discover what is true, is that which can be measured. That is the key. If we can't measure it, how can we know where it falls on the plane between objective and subjective?

To me, this is why science will always reign supreme, it's a tool used to elevate simple belief in something to actual truth.
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...that's cool. Just recently, I heard of art as being a vehicle, with science the internal (measurable / measured) parts of the mechanism. In plain terms, art is expressed through science. If it didn't have those mechanics, it couldn't be assembled and made to work.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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In depth story of Daniel.

[video=youtube;Kf3-el-dJAw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf3-el-dJAw[/video]

I like the part where he meets Kim Peek. (rainman)
 
ClaytonBigsby

ClaytonBigsby

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Padawanbater2 said:
Different ways of knowing the same objective knowledge

This reminds me of something I hear in the art business quite a bit..

"it doesn't matter how you get to the final product, that doesn't matter, what matters is that you end up with a product you can sell"

meaning, there are a million different ways to create art (perceive knowledge), nobody cares how you get to the final result (truth) as long as you get there (reality).

I've interacted with different people who believe this means something like our experiences create our own subjective reality, and both of them are equally as valid in regards to truth, which I don't believe is actually true. If it were, you could say ghosts were just as real as dogs, and me saying otherwise would hold no bearing on your reality.

I think the only reality that really matters, especially when you are trying to discover what is true, is that which can be measured. That is the key. If we can't measure it, how can we know where it falls on the plane between objective and subjective?

To me, this is why science will always reign supreme, it's a tool used to elevate simple belief in something to actual truth.
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But, but, me saying so, holds no bearing on YOUR reality......so, it IS acurate. It seems the only truth, to you, is yours....which is exactly what you say you do not believe in. Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ClaytonBigsby said:
But, but, me saying so, holds no bearing on YOUR reality......so, it IS acurate. It seems the only truth, to you, is yours....which is exactly what you say you do not believe in. Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
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I think you misunderstood

What you or I might believe holds no bearing on what reality might be, as they are our subjective opinions and experiences. The only thing that actually matters, in regards to objective truth, are things with, at the very least, evidence to support them. Pseudo scientific claims fall short because their proponents do not understand what the word evidence means. If they did they would understand why those topics remain widely unsupported.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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I don't think Daniel was trying to suggest that reality is subjective, but rather that our senses can give us an intuitive understanding of some aspects of reality, similar to the way they can fool us about reality. Because his senses cross-talk he perceives math and verbal language, which are measurements and representation of knowledge, intuitively. When he needs to multiply numbers he can get the answer simply by the feelings, shapes and colors the numbers produce. He is able to pick up a new language in a matter of days because his senses, blending with emotions as well as each other, give him an intuitive grasp. I don't think he is suggesting that anyone else could do this, just that he is an example of our senses giving us a better understanding of basic truths, rather than the normal fallacy we associate with them.
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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...didn't want to start a new thread. Perhaps this fits somehow. This was worth the time it took to watch - in bits and pieces :)

[video=youtube;kUYfWYFQg_8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUYfWYFQg_8[/video]
 
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