We need to stand up and fight

Let's see now ... this thread has been going on for what ... about three or four months now? Has anyone really said anything yet?

Vi

I thought of one crazy idea that wont work without there being a couple thousand people at one time

Have everyone smoke outside and just smoke weed around whoever and if we go to jail than we will flood tha jails and they will have to let us out if it gets crowded but i not sure if that will work but im just throwin out any idea that comes to mind

We would all like to see it legalised. unfortunately there are not many of us with the inclination to do anything about it... we're always too stoned. The thought of actually doing something is a bit much to bear.

We need famous people, politicians... George Michael was in our newspapers yesterday, advocating cannabis use. He claims it makes him more creative, and it helped him get over the death of his partner.

the first thing we should do is join, actually become members of the legalise cannabis groups. somehow, join these groups together... then get these famous people to join the cause. I mean a march with nobodies is just another march. A march with george michael at the helm is worldwide news.

skunkushybrid said:

We would all like to see it legalised. unfortunately there are not many of us with the inclination to do anything about it... we're always too stoned. The thought of actually doing something is a bit much to bear.

We need famous people, politicians... George Michael was in our newspapers yesterday, advocating cannabis use. He claims it makes him more creative, and it helped him get over the death of his partner.

the first thing we should do is join, actually become members of the legalise cannabis groups. somehow, join these groups together... then get these famous people to join the cause. I mean a march with nobodies is just another march. A march with george michael at the helm is worldwide news.

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Yeah if we got famous people to go public with their use and that it should be leagalized then we could get more people to help

i send emails and letter's fairly often. did a big barrage yesterday actually.

We need famous people, politicians... George Michael was in our newspapers yesterday, advocating cannabis use. He claims it makes him more creative, and it helped him get over the death of his partner.

I'm not sure George Michael is a good example. Here he has been the brunt of late night TV jokes for months, you know, that fling with a bum and the pictures and all, not good PR.

wasn't that the other brit, hugh something or other... hugh grant. he used to have Elizabeth Hurley didn't he? she's a damn perfect woman...omg.

I think George Michael was caught in the act of a homosexual tryst in a public restroom. And that "Huge, something or other" was caught in the act with a crack-head, street prostitute, in his car. Either way ... both are Hollywood scumbags and no doubt Democrat Clintonites.

Vi

yeah, that's right. but Elizabeth Hurley...i'd have to get a don't ask don't tell political pass for her!

ViRedd said:

I think George Michael was caught in the act of a homosexual tryst in a public restroom. And that "Huge, something or other" was caught in the act with a crack-head, street prostitute, in his car. Either way ... both are Hollywood scumbags and no doubt Democrat Clintonites.

Vi

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lets not talk about george michael

This isn't about sexual orientation. This is about freeing the weed.

Ok. Well... I have some political experience and have personally seen the "behind the scenes" of politics. Including bribes, political manuvering, partnerships and back door deals. Along with everything else that everyone sees. Once apon a time I ran for city council of a decent size city that everyone knows of. I had multiple newspaper reporters contact me every day that I was on the campaign trail along with other elected officials. This gave me a decent incite to the process that I had never seen before. I say this just to try and give context to what I will say here...

I don't believe that marijuana will be leagalized from any number of protests, marches or demonstrations. I think it will have to be handled over a longer period of time in baby steps using the political process.

I think the first step is to get the general public past the stigma of pot is bad. We are already on the road to get this done by trying to get legislation past in each individual state allowing for medicinal use of marijuana under a physicians guidance. Once this happens, the general publics view of marijuana should be more accepting of it.

Once marijuana is legalized for medicinal use in at least 4 out of 5 states for probably about 5 years then a strong attack toward recreational use of it would need to be started. I think this should be done by consolidating supports funds into one non-profit agency towards the cause. This agency could then hire lobbyist to represent the cause and push for new legislation. Lobbyist can influence greatly new laws. Good Lobbyists are very expensive and also need large expense accounts to handle the rubbing of elbows with the political elite. This would all have to be funded. After these attempts are made for several years... the first state may leagalize marijuana for recreational use.

I would support any attempt down this path both vocally and finacially (but I have very limited finances).

My 2 cents,

Peace

What about people power? Enough people together. We could even rally in our (nearest) cities. Through the internet such a thing could be organised. A world-wide rally. All of us meeting as one in our relative cities, all at the same time. That would be world-wide news and would surely add enough fire to the debate to hot things up.

This is our world, we need to show them that we are no longer the minority.

Ballot Initiative. Do a search on it. In my state the ballot initiative was passed in 1932. The first ballot initiative whcih was passed overwelmingly established the Liqour Control commision. The next limited property taxes, and it passed with just 51.1% of the vote. In 1938, Gas and vehicle weight tax must be used for roads. 1946, some of the sales tax must be returned to municipalities. 1948 modified the Property Tax Limitation. 1976, bottle bill. 1998, rejected assisted suicide and in 2000, the school voucher was defeated. Last year we passed a bill saying 'Affirmitve Action' will no longer be used for college admissions.
All of these seem to have something in common. 'they' didn't want them. 'we' did. Or didn't, as the case may be.

I have a real problem with anyone saying there hasn't been any information on this thread. I wish I were one of those people that knows how to post news found in other forums.
All of the good news seems to stop when someone says MJ is a 'Gateway drug'. No one seems to want to tackle that and a few days ago I ran across an article that tried to prove that it wasn't true.
I think that is a bad idea. You have to think of this as a sales job. In sales, you try not to tell someone they are wrong. It is a "GATEWAY DRUG".
and then ask the question. Why do you think it is a GATEWAY DRUG? Would those same conditions exist if MJ were legal? Nope. It be just like buying a beer or a pack of cigarettes. The 'criminals' would lose thier market.
ITS THE ECONOMY
Did anyone happen to read the article put out by the associated press by William J. Kole. For those of you who know how to get around the net I saw it in the Lansing State Journal on the health section on page 13A.
Report: Prescription Drug Abuse at Deadly Level.
In it Phillip Emafo the Narcotics Control Board President is qouted as saying,
" The very high potency of some of the synthetic narcotic drugs available as prescription drugs presents, in fact, a higher overdose risk than the abuse of illicit drugs"
The article states in part, "In the United States alone, the abuse of painkillers, stimulants, tranqulizers and other prescription medications has gone beyond "practically all illicit drugs with the exception of cannabis" with users increasingly turning to them first, the Viennna-based group said."

i have a strong opinion on the "gateway" principal as well.

my take is that by continuing prohibiton on weed they (prohibitioners) are forcing the consumers of weed to transact with dealers. dealers in urban areas are often simple minded opportunist, selling whatever will profit them most easily.

by this, the youth are exposed to an element related to marijuana only because of prohibition itself. they are exposed to dangerous drugs in this way.

therfore, the gateway is actually prohibition itself.

if marijuana is decriminalized then the exposure to dangerous drugs would greatly decrease and the chances of one experimenting with dangerous drugs (later to get hooked) is less because something satisfactory is constantly available.

next time you hear the gateway argument point out that the same ones who prohibit weed are sending kids to the dealers. the prohibitionists are the gateway!

I'm trying to keep these 'rants' short so everyone will read them instead of saying there hasn't been any information in this thread. Its really hard for me to do.
That article has lots of useful information. You all really should read it. There is a map of the US, showing uses by shading the state. Utah tops the list. The soure: Department of Health. Above the map its says, "Prescription drugs are the second most abused class of drugs after cannabis. Pain-relieving drugs such as fentanyl, oxycodene and hydrocodene have lead to a rising number of deaths."
NOw lets think about that for a minute or maybe two(lol). Cannabis is the numer one most abused drug. So why didn't 'they' talk about the number of deaths attributable to MJ??? No one has died from an overdose??
Winning the war means we have to get on the offense.

Soo.. someone is listening. You have it exactly right. The reason MJ is A Gateway drug is only because its illegal. And the only reason that would be true is because its non-addictive.

If it were addictive it wouldn't be a gateway, because you wouldn't want another drug. You would do anything, rob, cheat, steal to supply your habit. Were are the statistics showing an increase in crime because some stoner needed to feed his habit?? Why is it the least expensive of all the drugs??
I had a guy trying to talk me down on a quarter oz. of WW. Guess hes not addicted. He would rather feed his family then buy the widow??