WFT is wrong with my perfect DWC!!?!?!!??!

Haunther

Active Member
Ok, so this is my second failed run in my new system and i cant figure out whats wrong.
Im pretty sure the cooler is light proof.
My ph has been no less then 5.6
and no higher 7.0
I received the same result's with distilled and now just and using tap.
-Water is fine ive used it in orgo grows b4.
- I have a chiller set at 70 deg.
-Two 12" air stones
- 280gph sub pump
- Cooler is 17gallons
- Useing fox farm hydro
-600w mh
- ~75 degrees in room
- let them root for 5 days, ran 1/4 strength 1st week, and 1/2 this week and now its a mess.
- Is bagseed a factor?
And im fvking mind fuked by this!!!
if you guys could help that would be great!!
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trains strain

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have you been keeping an eye on your ppm? i know i had fluctuating ppm when i first started mine, im currently undergo my first dwc and am having amazing results so far.
i was always told dont start adding nutes until the second set of leaves then start in the order you did. also you dont want you ph going any higher than 6.2-6.5 im pretty sure. im a newb myself but just done a lot of reading.
 

BloodShot420

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yeah man - if you are gonna spend the dough on that setup, you might as well get some cheap genetics that will work well... they are well worth it

you never really know what you are getting in a bagseed... although, i've grown them with some decent results... but if you are gonna grow indoors, with DWC, you might as well grow something that will become OUTSTANDING ;-)

hit up attitude seedbank, and get some pick'n mix or some feminized beans... the fems work well, if you baby them all the way to the end, you'll be rewarded...

your system seems straight... the chiller is a good addition (i never had one), temps are in range... you could maybe use a little bit more air... i'm not sure how big that container is... but bubbles should be splashing the bottom of each netpot... and the water level should be right at the bottom of the netpots when the lid is closed.

are you going to flower them in that cooler? because that might become a mess... but you can cross that bridge when you get there...
 

ideit

Well-Known Member
Looks like you got some gunk in your tank there. Did you clean the hydroton first? They can leave a lot of dust in a rez if not washed first. I'd suggest changing the rez out and adding a little H2O2 this go round, 1ml per litre (about 3/4 teaspoons per gallon). Be sure to clean the tub out with alcohol then rinse all the alc out.

Also, what is your ppm at?
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Did you not rinse the hydroton good, or is that algae?

Looks like you need to drain and replinish.



Diagnosis and Recuperation Guide



Both new leaves and mature leaves are the best indicators to determine how healthy your plants are. Any problem or illness will first manifest itself in the appearance of your leaves. These problems almost always originate from the plant's environment, PH imbalance or over-feeding and under feeding. These problems always result in what is called "nutritional lock-out".

Nutritional Lockout
Allow us to GIVE you a simplified definition of NUTRIONAL LOCKOUT.
Can you imagine sitting a plate before a child at dinner time, with his most favorite food, hot dogs, ketchup and french fries? But also on the plate is a major portion of steamed broccoli, which he is just not fond of and insists on nibbling on. Now imagine telling that child, "you can not eat the hot dog and fries if you do not eat all the broccoli too". NUTRITONAL LOCKOUT is when the child responds with "well then, I just won't eat!"

Most Hydro nutes nutrients are both nutritionally and PH balanced. But after being in your tank for 5 or 6 days, and being eaten from for 5 or 6 days, they become imbalanced. Perhaps you are growing plants that ate all the nitrogen first and just snacked around the iron, magnesium and calcium, or visa versa. The results are discoloration in the leaves, yellowing or rust spots, or curling up of leaf tips. It also becomes apparent when your plants were consuming a gallon or half gallon of water every day, and then suddenly when you check the levels the next day, they did not drink any water at all. This is NUTRITIONAL LOCKOUT.

Instead of giving lengthy descriptions of indications of overfeeding, underfeeding, ph imbalance, environmental problems and Nutritional Lockout here, it is easier to just give the remedy. Here we will refer to this remedy as THE RECUPERATION AND RECOVERY REMEDY.


THE 8 STEP RECUPERATION AND RECOVERY REMEDY

1. Check the roots. If they are discolored, reddish or brown, or present an unpleasant odor, you have a problem. If they are weak, soft or mushy, you have a problem. Also while checking the roots, observe the temperature of the water. If it is warmer than "luke warm" you have a problem. This problem is probably what is referred to as "root rot" or a disease known as PYTHIUM. Remove the dead brown roots by trimming them away with sharp scissors. Do not leave them in the tank.
2. Check the humidity and temperature of the grow area below the lights in the "growing zone" when the lights are on. A temperature of above 82 degrees or below 67 degrees will slow growth, but it is not a serious problem that will kill your plants. Temperatures below 62 degrees or above 90 degrees will stop growth. An extremely high temperature in the upper 90s or below 58 degrees can slowly result in death of your plants. The most efficient temps for growth are between 72 to 80 degrees. Any Humidity between 40 and 60 percent is acceptable and desirable.
3. Check the "lights off, nighttime" temperature. Most desirable is ten to 15 degrees cooler than the daytime "lights on" temperature, averaging 66 to 70 degrees.
4. Check the distance between the tips of the plant and the tip of the light bulb. If you observe yellowing or leaf curling tips, then move the lights one inch further away. A good rule of thumb if you use HID lights, is hold the soft palm of your hand at the leaf tip and see if the bulb is too warm to your hand. If you use Stealth Hydro's compact fluorescent bulbs, we recommend a distance of three or four inches for the 65 and 85 watt bulbs and 4 inches to five inches for the 105 watt bulbs. More mature plants can handle the bulbs slightly closer.
5. Check the position of your fans. Air movement is very necessary for the health of your plants, but too strong of a fan can cause wind burn. Direct your fan toward the tops of the plants and toward the lights. Never position the fan blowing strongly downward on the leaves.
6. Add 1/4 teaspoon of 3% hydrogen peroxide to a gallon of water and add it to the tank per 5 gallons already in the tank. Wait ten minutes and then turn the water and nutrition solution pump off to prepare to drain the tank. Poor at least a cup of clean water through each grow cup, onto each rockwool cube and through the hydroton rocks.
7. Drain or pump the tank empty as possible without damaging the pump by running it dry. Add two gallons of additional clean water with 4 teaspoons of hydrogen peroxide again and then drain it away too. Again, empty the tank as empty as possible without burning up your pump.
8. Add fresh PH balanced water and nutritional packets as prescribed. PH test it again.

The above 8 steps should repair and remedy any health problems that your plants experienced within the next two days. Now is the time to try and determine what caused the problem to start with, by investigating and researching typical hydroponics problems and illnesses. Here are a few DIAGNOSIS TIPS.


Typical Hydroponics Problems and Illnesses

Underfeeding and Weak Nutrition
The entire plant, both upper and lower leaves, will show lime or light green in color.
The plant will not eat, drink or show growth.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Overfeeding, Use of Too Strong Nutrients
The leaves will curl downward. They grow very dark dull flat green and then the tips show signs of burn.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Nutritional Lockout
You know that you have made recent PH adjustments. You might know you may have used too much of the PH Adjustment Solution. You may have failed to test the PH often enough. You notice the plants did not eat or drink because they did not consume the same amount of water they used yesterday. You see rust spots. The large lower leaves are prematurely dying and you are not in the BLOOMING or FLOWERING stage.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Wind Burn
You had the fan blowing downward toward the upper side of the leaves, instead of blowing up through the node spaces or toward the lights. You observe the leaves becoming dry or even crispy, perhaps shriveling, and the tips curling upward. The leaves do not appear glossy, moist and vibrant.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.

Water, Nutrition Solution or Roots Are Discolored Brown Or Have an Unpleasant Odor
You notice your water is becoming brownish in color, or smells distasteful. Your solution does not smell pleasant and appetizing like fresh lettuce. Your roots are not the same shade of white that they once were a week ago.
It is time to follow the 8 Step Remedy.
 

projectinfo

Well-Known Member
haha , had the same thing happen man , exactly.... its foxfarm , they gunk up ur stones , pumps , notice everyhting has a shitty stinky gunk on it , it was fucking witht he roots , turns out its super strong for weed plants , u have to use like 1/8 to start if u wanna keep going with this terrible product, i know man 22 bucks a l for the 3 starting products is no joke on money but switch to dnf , 30 bucks each and u only need 2 ... for a nic ebig bottle.... get u all the way to flower for sure ... and its clear , keeps everyhting very clean , and takes out all the guesse work ,,,,,, trust me go to the hydro store ask for DNF Grow for seedlings and cuttings for all through veg. and DNF Bloom for ur flowering .... u wont frown anymore .....
 

projectinfo

Well-Known Member
no guys , its just the color of the nutes , it loks like choco milk in the moddle, and green coolaid in the other bottle...... honestly tried it too , it was supposed to be the best of the best eh .... nope just stick with dnf
 

HomeGrownHairy

Well-Known Member
haha , had the same thing happen man , exactly.... its foxfarm , they gunk up ur stones , pumps , notice everyhting has a shitty stinky gunk on it , it was fucking witht he roots , turns out its super strong for weed plants , u have to use like 1/8 to start if u wanna keep going with this terrible product, i know man 22 bucks a l for the 3 starting products is no joke on money but switch to dnf , 30 bucks each and u only need 2 ... for a nic ebig bottle.... get u all the way to flower for sure ... and its clear , keeps everyhting very clean , and takes out all the guesse work ,,,,,, trust me go to the hydro store ask for DNF Grow for seedlings and cuttings for all through veg. and DNF Bloom for ur flowering .... u wont frown anymore .....
I use FF and havent had any problems. They are great organic nutrients for your plants.
 

HomeGrownHairy

Well-Known Member
Ok, so this is my second failed run in my new system and i cant figure out whats wrong.
Im pretty sure the cooler is light proof.
My ph has been no less then 5.6
and no higher 7.0
I received the same result's with distilled and now just and using tap.
-Water is fine ive used it in orgo grows b4.
- I have a chiller set at 70 deg.
-Two 12" air stones
- 280gph sub pump
- Cooler is 17gallons
- Useing fox farm hydro
-600w mh
- ~75 degrees in room
- let them root for 5 days, ran 1/4 strength 1st week, and 1/2 this week and now its a mess.
- Is bagseed a factor?
And im fvking mind fuked by this!!!
if you guys could help that would be great!!
:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:
Looks like you added nutes to soon. Just flush them and wait a week then start the 1/4 nute thingy again. Your 600 w mh might be to close. Back it off to at least 18" from the tops until they get used to the intensity.
 

theelite85

Well-Known Member
Thats its bro You hit it on the head! To many nutes to sooon! Those sprouts are so sensitive early in life I never use nutes until 2 weeks into the grow and I dont use many at all. Just remember that when it comes to nuts less is more when they are young!
 

theelite85

Well-Known Member
dude you would have to me retarded to screw up the design of a dwc but overnuting is something that tons of people including me do just because we are anxious to get them growing strong! Just be patient and listen to your plants and you will do alright
 

Haunther

Active Member
haha , had the same thing happen man , exactly.... its foxfarm , they gunk up ur stones , pumps , notice everyhting has a shitty stinky gunk on it , it was fucking witht he roots , turns out its super strong for weed plants , u have to use like 1/8 to start if u wanna keep going with this terrible product, i know man 22 bucks a l for the 3 starting products is no joke on money but switch to dnf , 30 bucks each and u only need 2 ... for a nic ebig bottle.... get u all the way to flower for sure ... and its clear , keeps everyhting very clean , and takes out all the guesse work ,,,,,, trust me go to the hydro store ask for DNF Grow for seedlings and cuttings for all through veg. and DNF Bloom for ur flowering .... u wont frown anymore .....

Im pretty sure your right !FUCK FF for Hydro, I know its their god dam organic bs. I think im going BC or Advanced.
Thanks for the help!
But it does work great for organic! Ive had many successful runs.
 

Haunther

Active Member
Im going to switch lines, restart,
soo no nutes for 2weeks?
how long is that after sprout?
Can i get a time line here?
I know im messing this up bc im crunched for time.
Or how much root out of the basket do i need before i run the 1st week of nutes?
 

Love1Fear

Well-Known Member
Once they sprout that's day one of ur plant and so on. Next time don't submerge ur net pots have H2O/ nutes not touching net pots at all, b/c ur drowning plants, thank goodness there is no light or they would have root rot and roots cant take light, but they do LOVE AND NEED Oxygen, good thing u have 2 12'' air stones. As for adding nutes at a special point and time thats between u and ur nutes mostly all nute companies will email u info on when u can add em (always after germation thats the only true rule there) the seed has all its nutrients in it to feed it to get it germinated and sprout, soil and hydro deliver the rest u definatly can wait till later 2 weeks and still have a plant grow (like i said up to u and ur info from nute company) GOOD LUCK BRO
 
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