******what do u need to get 200onces per crop ? *******

ITS CALLED EXPERIENCE! the fact or state of having been affected by or gained knowledge through direct observation or participation.
It took me a few times before i knew what works. Just keep everything simple and you shouldnt have a problem.
What is it you dont understand about growing?

mowgly said:

200oz ??? how ???

hi guys lets say somebody wants to get a average of 200oz each crop indoor what would be recomended ?
surface ?
watts?
how many lamps ? ex : 10 x 400wtts or 4x1000wtts
how many extractors ?
best strains ?
how many plants ?
how many crops can u get in 12 months ?
any realistic help would be appreciated would like to analize different types of setups and budgets
thx guys
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https://www.rollitup.org/groups/uk-west-midlands.html

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dont know about everyone else but this is how i would do it. 1 room 10.5ftx18ft. 8x1000watt lights. magnum xxxl reflectors. four 4x8 trays. two 1000's over each tray. 80 ladies per tray. any decent strain thats yields ok.. i would use Purple Kush. and would get between 12 - 14lbs per harvest. if you used a high yielding strain that number could go up significantly. 3 crops a year for sure. 4 or maybe even 5 if your really good and have your timing with clones down and can harvest a room and set it back up in a couple days. any questions pm me. hope that helped.

I didn't read the whole thing but here is how I would do it,

50 cieling fans with incandescant bulbs.
50 chairs
1000 books (to stack on the chairs)
50 big glass bowls with no drainage
Pink soap
And 4 sexy plants per bowl.

TheLastWood said:

I didn't read the whole thing but here is how I would do it,

50 cieling fans with incandescant bulbs.
50 chairs
1000 books (to stack on the chairs)
50 big glass bowls with no drainage
Pink soap
And 4 sexy plants per bowl.

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Ive heard thats the key to super sticky nuggs

TheLastWood said:

I didn't read the whole thing but here is how I would do it,

50 cieling fans with incandescant bulbs.
50 chairs
1000 books (to stack on the chairs)
50 big glass bowls with no drainage
Pink soap
And 4 sexy plants per bowl.

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make sure the glass bowls are clean so the roots can get light

heres how id do this, first id multiply my last grow by about 10...then ???...profit

Id need about a 1500 square feet area with about 20-30 lights 600's at least with my amateur experience to pull that off

TheLastWood said:

1000 books (to stack on the chairs)

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I use books, hehehe!

While I truly dislike being negative, this one gets to me. As someone that runs an op this size, it's pretty entertaining to hear people think a laundry list will get it done. It may get it built...even that's a challenge...but you still have to grow the crops. I'm 43 years old and have been at this since my teens. Even with my experience, and plenty of startup cash, these ops are a bitch to run. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not just like running a smaller op x 10. The logistics can get overwhelming. Just disposing of our trash is a major pain.

Anyways, here's my link for the folks who think I'm full of shit. https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html

I deal with alot of commercial growers with ops my size and much bigger. All of us have slowly built up in size over many many years, perfecting our smaller ops prior to up-sizing. That is really the only way to be successful long term. I believe that doubling in size every year is as fast as most people would want to expand.

To the op, thanks for wasting so much of everyome's time. You post a question that turns out to be some game that you ultimately don't let anyone in on. I urge others not to engage in this tool's game anymore.

collective gardener said:

While I truly dislike being negative, this one gets to me. As someone that runs an op this size, it's pretty entertaining to hear people think a laundry list will get it done. It may get it built...even that's a challenge...but you still have to grow the crops. I'm 43 years old and have been at this since my teens. Even with my experience, and plenty of startup cash, these ops are a bitch to run. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not just like running a smaller op x 10. The logistics can get overwhelming. Just disposing of our trash is a major pain.

Anyways, here's my link for the folks who think I'm full of shit. https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html

I deal with alot of commercial growers with ops my size and much bigger. All of us have slowly built up in size over many many years, perfecting our smaller ops prior to up-sizing. That is really the only way to be successful long term. I believe that doubling in size every year is as fast as most people would want to expand.

To the op, thanks for wasting so much of everyome's time. You post a question that turns out to be some game that you ultimately don't let anyone in on. I urge others not to engage in this tool's game anymore.

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Well put. Most people don't realize that the amount of items you need for growing ops doesn't scale in a linear way. The larger your op is the exponentially more time and money consuming it is. An op that would yeild 200+oz per harvest would require a huge commercial AC unit, tons of fans, plenty of carbon filters, a high end Co2 burner, like, shit you'd probably have to drop close to $500 just for fuckin nutes for the first crop.

To do a 200oz grow the right way you should have your budget in the 50-60k range not including the cost of the actual location itself. Also 50-60k is highballing it slightly so that you have maintenance and upkeep money for replacing bulbs and things so you dont just have a nice grow room built with no nutes or equipment to use. Also figure that you're going to need one beefy fuckin panel to run this many lights. Probably a 200amp panel dedicated just for your lights alone.



Aside from all of the information in this thread the simplest answer to give to someone is "If you have to ask what it takes to yield 200 ounces per harvest, you don't have what it takes to yield 200 oz a harvest."

all you old people are pissing me off TBH. Just because you are old and you have 20 years experience most of you think you are the gods gift to growing and if you cant do it then no one can. I respect experience but it is not everything, experience does not automatically mean you are right and why are most of you so patronizing. all these smart ass comments about how you been growing 20 years and you would not do this or that blah blah blah. did the guy ask you if you think it was a good idea? NO, he asked you what would you do to get 200 oz a crop and if you have not got a sensible answer then dont post a stupid patronizing comment. rant over lol

Here is how I would do it:
Space: Build a 30x20 two car garage unattached from house, build one sealed room that is roughly 20x20. Build 2 smaller sealed rooms 5x5 for water and a 5x10 for veg and clones. This should leave you with a 5x5 sealed room at your entrance to make sure you can enter and exit without any light blaring out at night. Need 2 outlets in water room, 1 outlet on each side of main room for wm fans, 2 outlets in veg room for fan and lights; all set for 110v. Main lights should be run through a CAP light control(timer) and all be hard wired by an electrician at 220v. Plus wiring the sentinel for your environmental controls. This can all be done on 1--amp service, but i would recommend 200amps.

Supplies:
2 fire extinguishers
2 55g drums for h2o
3 8-light T5's
12 1000w Quantum digital ballasts
12 Melon Head air cooled lights
Box of 8" ducting
8" inline fan for out take on lights
Sentinel CHHC-1
HydroGen Water cooled co2 gen
Portable ac, do not need commercial size in my opinion since the only heat will be from co2 burner and the tiny amount from digi ballasts
Commercial Portable dehumidifier
Commercial Portable heater
120 7g pots
150 4" pots for veggging
12 10g pots for moms
8 wall mount oscillating fans for main room
1 wall mount for veg room
1 case of cubes for clones with trays and hoods enough to take 200 clones each time. Should be taking clones every 4 weeks to keep a good rotation and as little of downtime as possible.
Continuous pH/TDS/EC/Temp Meter
2 30' water hoses
2 sump pumps
1 multi line air pump with tubing and air stones
1 4" inline fan for veg room out take, with a passive hole for intake
Wood: I would build a 3" platform for all the plants to sit on so they are raised off the cement floor or pond liner. I would leave 2' of walking room around the entire main room for easy movement and making sure the wall mount fans did not come close to clipping any plants. I would also put posts in each corner of the platform that go up to 4' for attaching netting. I would build shelving in veg room for clones and the same raised platform for moms and little ones.

Nuts:
Pallet of Black Gold organic Soil
6 Bags of organic Earthworm Castings
Sparetime Organics Mocha bat guano
Sparetime Organics Seabird guano
Green Sand
Few bags of Oyster Shells Coarse
Age Old Bloom
Organic Fungicide
Pesticide
Wetting Agent
PH UP
PH Down


That is exactly how I would set it up, best of luck to you.

man i am intrigued at most responses on this one lol i will say it would be hard but could definitely be done here is my thoughts on the matter i would just mimick my entire op in a larger scale here is a pic
space-at least a 20x20 room to start
lights-6 1000w bulbs with large air cooled reflectors (raptors would be my weapon of choice)
system-4 4x8 flood and drain tables with 2 75gal res's each 2 trays would be sharing a res on staggered watering schedules to minimize nute and water amounts.
exhaust- 2 8" 500+cfm fans each cooling there own row of the lights with each row on its own carbon filter so the air is scrubbed on its way out the room.
now this is all just flowering of course, i would put 32 plants in each tray (clonning of course) each plant easily pulling 2 oz's that would be about 256 oz's per harvest give or take some yielding more than others you should be able to hit that mark. now this is all what i would do as i dont know your skills/experience but i could do this with only 6000watts of light in flower prably would be right around 10k with veg and all. so there you go that would be my plan i have seen bigger setups in a house before. used to talk to a guy on icmag's forum that had 16 600watters (in flower) 8 4x8 flood tables (2 600s over each table on light movers) and he grew straight sog at 4 plants per square foot (128 per tray) talk about retarded lol and as far as i know he was no seasoned vet in the growing field. here is a link of his grow on icmag check it out its pretty insane.

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=77825&page1

lemonz said:

all you old people are pissing me off TBH. Just because you are old and you have 20 years experience most of you think you are the gods gift to growing and if you cant do it then no one can. I respect experience but it is not everything, experience does not automatically mean you are right and why are most of you so patronizing. all these smart ass comments about how you been growing 20 years and you would not do this or that blah blah blah. did the guy ask you if you think it was a good idea? NO, he asked you what would you do to get 200 oz a crop and if you have not got a sensible answer then dont post a stupid patronizing comment. rant over lol

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This wasnt a hypothetical if I personally were to setup a 200oz crop grow op what would I do. The guy asked how many harvest you'd get in a 12 month period which is not relevant to how you grow 200 ounces per harvest what so ever. This is clearly just some kid who thinks theyre going to pop up a giant grow op for their first grow ever and rake in the ez money because they dont realize the effort. If you would reread the post and respond from our perspective of trying to save this guy a lot of time money and effort into researching something that would be setting himself up for failure. We're not being dicks for the sake of being dicks. We're being realistic because this post was phrased as if it was something the OP was going to consider doing as a career choice which is completely unrealistic and we don't want to see someone go out on a venture they cant handle.

ExDex1x1 said:

This wasnt a hypothetical if I personally were to setup a 200oz crop grow op what would I do. The guy asked how many harvest you'd get in a 12 month period which is not relevant to how you grow 200 ounces per harvest what so ever. This is clearly just some kid who thinks theyre going to pop up a giant grow op for their first grow ever and rake in the ez money because they dont realize the effort. If you would reread the post and respond from our perspective of trying to save this guy a lot of time money and effort into researching something that would be setting himself up for failure. We're not being dicks for the sake of being dicks. We're being realistic because this post was phrased as if it was something the OP was going to consider doing as a career choice which is completely unrealistic and we don't want to see someone go out on a venture they cant handle.

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thats fair enough but why not just give him the info and let him make his own mind up.
if he wants to give it a go who am i to stand in his way more power to him i say.

lemonz said:

all you old people are pissing me off TBH. Just because you are old and you have 20 years experience most of you think you are the gods gift to growing and if you cant do it then no one can. I respect experience but it is not everything, experience does not automatically mean you are right and why are most of you so patronizing. all these smart ass comments about how you been growing 20 years and you would not do this or that blah blah blah. did the guy ask you if you think it was a good idea? NO, he asked you what would you do to get 200 oz a crop and if you have not got a sensible answer then dont post a stupid patronizing comment. rant over lol

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I'm not sure if I'm piled in your "old people" box or not. As to your comment "if you can't do it then no one can", well, son, I am doing it. I do do it. My op exceeds his goals every month, brother. If you don't think experience is needed to run a 20k op, you're way too high. Don't forget about $$$$. Our grow op costs $80,000 to set up. We pulled a 100K private line of credit and used 80k before we got on our feet. This 80k includes paying ourselves to build and operate the thing. We were on our feet in just 100 days. Meaning, from the time we started the build until the time we had cured product. We were able to do this because I have friends with big ops who gave us dozens of foot tall killer Bubba that SELLS.s when we were ready. So, with the experience that you deem un-needed, come contacts. That contact shaved 3 months off of our grow schedule, AND started us out with a great strain.

You say experience is not everything. You're right. I would honestly say it's about 85% of what's needed for a successful grow. The other 15% is money. AND, the larger the grow, the MORE experience comes in. BECAUSE, when you have a problem, you have a BIG problem that must be dealt with RIGHT. Failure to do so can cost more MONEY than is available.

I'm curious. If experience is not everything...what is? I mean, a deep wallet can get it done, too. Just pour $$$ into it until you get it right. But, wait...isn't that just experience? All that time and money spent to get it right? I believe it is.

There's a link in my above post to my thread showing EXACTLY what is needed to get these yields. Ours does a little better. But even if I came over with my helper and built the whole thing for you, without EXPERIENCE, it will eventually fail. Most people here have lost a crop. Right? It probably happened when you had less experience. Well, just how many crops can you lose that are worth over $20,000? It's one thing to lose a few plants in a closet grow. Losing a commercial crop is a different story. The lost $$$ has to come from somewhere.

BTW, one of my requirements for any warehouse grow is a 300amp panel. 100 amp 3 phase will work. That's what our current grow has. You have to be very careful with older buildings and pushing panels near their limit. I have some EXPERIENCE in that, as well. LOL It wasn't a fun EXPERIENCE, either.

collective gardener said:

I'm not sure if I'm piled in your "old people" box or not. As to your comment "if you can't do it then no one can", well, son, I am doing it. I do do it. My op exceeds his goals every month, brother. If you don't think experience is needed to run a 20k op, you're way too high. Don't forget about $$$$. Our grow op costs $80,000 to set up. We pulled a 100K private line of credit and used 80k before we got on our feet. This 80k includes paying ourselves to build and operate the thing. We were on our feet in just 100 days. Meaning, from the time we started the build until the time we had cured product. We were able to do this because I have friends with big ops who gave us dozens of foot tall killer Bubba that SELLS.s when we were ready. So, with the experience that you deem un-needed, come contacts. That contact shaved 3 months off of our grow schedule, AND started us out with a great strain.

You say experience is not everything. You're right. I would honestly say it's about 85% of what's needed for a successful grow. The other 15% is money. AND, the larger the grow, the MORE experience comes in. BECAUSE, when you have a problem, you have a BIG problem that must be dealt with RIGHT. Failure to do so can cost more MONEY than is available.

I'm curious. If experience is not everything...what is? I mean, a deep wallet can get it done, too. Just pour $$$ into it until you get it right. But, wait...isn't that just experience? All that time and money spent to get it right? I believe it is.

There's a link in my above post to my thread showing EXACTLY what is needed to get these yields. Ours does a little better. But even if I came over with my helper and built the whole thing for you, without EXPERIENCE, it will eventually fail. Most people here have lost a crop. Right? It probably happened when you had less experience. Well, just how many crops can you lose that are worth over $20,000? It's one thing to lose a few plants in a closet grow. Losing a commercial crop is a different story. The lost $$$ has to come from somewhere.

BTW, one of my requirements for any warehouse grow is a 300amp panel. 100 amp 3 phase will work. That's what our current grow has. You have to be very careful with older buildings and pushing panels near their limit. I have some EXPERIENCE in that, as well. LOL It wasn't a fun EXPERIENCE, either.

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first off dont call me son, grandad.
i did not say you do not need experience, i did not say i do not value experience, what i said was its not everything. for example a person that has grown for 20 years could have been getting the same things wrong for 20 years so those 20 years he call experience is what i would call a waste.
let me tell you the other factors that you need to grow: money, skill, the balls to actually do it, time, drive, a brain, and most of all a willingness to learn, i could carry on............
i have no problem with you and i am not saying you dont know what your doing i am just saying if a guy asks the question why can no one give him a straight answer (not you personally i mean in general)
if the guy has got a brain he will know this is no easy task and if he has not then he wont get far LET HIM MAKE HIS OWN DECISION all i am saying is answer his question not give him a lecture about how hard it is or police etc.

BoomerBloomer57 said:

Something like this is what ya need

bb57

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how big of an area is that room? is it a basement setup? also to the op you could hit 12 pounds with 6 1000 watters, with the right strain{trainwreck, ak47, various skunks, bigbud, ect.} if vegged long enough and haveing your enviorment dialed in..... dont expect 2 pounds a light with strains like bubba kush, og kush, l.a. confidential, ect

lemonz said:

first off dont call me son, grandad.
i did not say you do not need experience, i did not say i do not value experience, what i said was its not everything. for example a person that has grown for 20 years could have been getting the same things wrong for 20 years so those 20 years he call experience is what i would call a waste.
let me tell you the other factors that you need to grow: money, skill, the balls to actually do it, time, drive, a brain, and most of all a willingness to learn, i could carry on............
i have no problem with you and i am not saying you dont know what your doing i am just saying if a guy asks the question why can no one give him a straight answer (not you personally i mean in general)
if the guy has got a brain he will know this is no easy task and if he has not then he wont get far LET HIM MAKE HIS OWN DECISION all i am saying is answer his question not give him a lecture about how hard it is or police etc.

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Let's break this down, shall we? Here is what you say is needed beyond experience:

"let me tell you the other factors that you need to grow: money, skill, the balls to actually do it, time, drive, a brain, and most of all a willingness to learn, i could carry on............"

Money: I said money was the other 15% of what it would take
Skill: Were does one get that skill? Experience?
The Balls to actually do it: To try a grow that size without experience in larger grows is not balls...it's stupidity. One learns how to deal with security over time. He'll get one hell of a suprise when he fires up 7 or 8 big inlines all at once. They're quite a bit louder than just one 6 incher.
Time: We all need that to do everything we do.
A Brain: Accountants have brains...can they grow?
A willingness to learn: This is the best one. Learning to grow on a grow that produces 200oz/month is insane. Ops that large are not the places to learn. You cut your teeth on gargage grows well before you move into the warehouse.

I stand by my statement that experience growing is #1 by far. I'll qualify it by saying experience running SUCCESSFUL grows. This for the people you described that may have been bad growers for 20 years. It's not unlike being an electrician or a plumber. Do you think someone with very little plumbing experience will be succesful in plumbing a highrise? Of course not. He should work up to that. My first question to him was how much experience he had. Then I can truly help the lad. If he has only small grow experience, I would advise him to double the size of his grow every year until he reached his goals. This is real advise. Giving him a shopping list is worthless. He has to know how to use all those new toys.

If you read the OP's posts, you'll see that he's just jacking everyone around. He's running some sort of "experiment" by posting that question. I have no problem helping people with their grows. I'd like to think I've done it here several times. But, I'm not going to play some kids game. You shouldn't either. You'll notice he hasn't let us in on his little secret.