Da Almighty Jew
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Yea so i have some super soil cooking and im just wondering what happens if i use it too quickly?? Will i burn my plants or cause lockout because nutrients arnt available yet??
What happens when you use super soil too quickly?? sorry for noobish question.
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Nutes and Nugs
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I tried the same thing, not sure what went wrong but lost four plants.
I used guidelines from riu users and didnt let it cook.
Freshly re-potted in my own super soil.
Four days later
I used guidelines from riu users and didnt let it cook.
Freshly re-potted in my own super soil.
Four days later
'ome Grown
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I think of it like a stew...doesn't taste that great when you put it all together, but after it has cooked all the flavours come together and its nice.
Similar to the super soil. Just throwing all the ingredients together doesn't cut it. Time is another ingredient that you can't skimp on. The pH is initially out of whack and the Mycorrhizae hasn't developed.
The shit has to marinate bro.
Similar to the super soil. Just throwing all the ingredients together doesn't cut it. Time is another ingredient that you can't skimp on. The pH is initially out of whack and the Mycorrhizae hasn't developed.
The shit has to marinate bro.
st0wandgrow
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Howdy "ome!
I sent you a pm, and I'm not sure if you got it. The site was acting up that day (as seems to be the case here lately).
I'm trying to come up with some vegan alternatives for some of the super soil ingredients, and while doing a google search I came across a thread you had started asking the very same questions. Have you had any luck? It looks like alfalfa meal, kelp meal, and soy meal are some good options, but I'm not sure if these are more of a slow release type thing where perhaps the N-P-K wouldn't be readily available when I want it to be.
Any thoughts?
'ome Grown
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Hey St0wandgrow!
I did get that pm and I did reply...must not have made it through to you.
Hey mate.
I'm making up my own mix as I go..
Here is a link to a list of vegan substitutes that you may find useful.
The potting mix can be vegan*. I have found a veganic potting mix in Australia, so you should be able to find one where you are. *However, in saying that, it is most unlikely that a potting mix would be 100% veganic...
EWC are veganic as well (at least I think they are)...just try and find good quality castings and not cheaper products that have been cut.
Epson salts are veganic.
Sweet lime is veganic.
Azomite is veganic. I'm using rock dust (purely because it is local)
Humic acid is vegan. I'm using Bactivate. It is 30% Humic acid and also contains lots of beneficial bacteria.
I also chuck in some of my own compost and another product called bio char (link).
So the main thing that is needed to be substituted is the blood meal, guano and fish bone meal. Alfalfa meal, kelp meal and soft rock phosphate are good options IMO.
I'm not trying to actually re-create a vegan version of 'subcool's supersoil'. I'm just trying to make a vegan super soil, in the sense that I have a vegan soil concentrate that I can apply in the exact same way as subcool's supersoil. It would be interesting (once I have a recipe I am happy with) to do a side by side of a vegan supersoil vs subcool's super soil....one day.
Let us know how you go with your super soil mate.
Cheers
I did get that pm and I did reply...must not have made it through to you.
Hey mate.
I'm making up my own mix as I go..
Here is a link to a list of vegan substitutes that you may find useful.
The potting mix can be vegan*. I have found a veganic potting mix in Australia, so you should be able to find one where you are. *However, in saying that, it is most unlikely that a potting mix would be 100% veganic...
EWC are veganic as well (at least I think they are)...just try and find good quality castings and not cheaper products that have been cut.
Epson salts are veganic.
Sweet lime is veganic.
Azomite is veganic. I'm using rock dust (purely because it is local)
Humic acid is vegan. I'm using Bactivate. It is 30% Humic acid and also contains lots of beneficial bacteria.
I also chuck in some of my own compost and another product called bio char (link).
So the main thing that is needed to be substituted is the blood meal, guano and fish bone meal. Alfalfa meal, kelp meal and soft rock phosphate are good options IMO.
I'm not trying to actually re-create a vegan version of 'subcool's supersoil'. I'm just trying to make a vegan super soil, in the sense that I have a vegan soil concentrate that I can apply in the exact same way as subcool's supersoil. It would be interesting (once I have a recipe I am happy with) to do a side by side of a vegan supersoil vs subcool's super soil....one day.
Let us know how you go with your super soil mate.
Cheers
sine143
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Get in on that new TGA soil. tell sub he needs to run a "Veganic" line of the sames soil charge lol. could be an interesting option to have whilst shopping for the green avengers soil later.
scroglodyte
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SS is put aside to cook for reasons of bio-web formation. it doesn't get less hot from "cooking." if anything.........the microbes digest nutrients and create more soluble ferts, making soil "hotter." layering is the trick. and really good mixing. if roots hit poorly mixed areas, they will burn.
Da Almighty Jew
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thanks scroglodyte, makes sense about it getting hotter. i put them in a lil early but my plants are heavy feeding so should be ok.
st0wandgrow
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Thanks 'ome!
I am going to try my hand at a vermiculture bin and make my own worm castings. I also have rabbits, and while I don't think their poop would be considered vegan, they eat nothing but hay and veggies so I'm OK with using it. As you said, I think the alfalfa meal, kelp meal, and soft rock phosphate look like good options as well.
I guess the only way to truly find out is to play around with it for a bit and see what works. I'm trying to shorten the learning curve a bit by asking questions because I have medical marijuana patients who rely on my supply of meds ..... so scorching an entire crop wouldn't be good!
Best of luck to you! I will shoot you a pm once I've given this a go and let you know what works and what doesn't.
'ome Grown
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Yep...that is why I don't think that you could ever have a 100% vegan super soil....99.9% would be the closest...
It's more about (for me at least) moving away from poor quality organic ingredients, which imo are from slaughterhouses (i.e. manure from poorly fed animals and blood and bone from said animals). I don't have a problem with guano to be honest...just the fish bone meal and the blood meal, which are easily substituted.
To be 100% vegan you would have to be soiless.
st0wandgrow
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Agreed! Well said.