What is the Best System? Pros vs. Cons

biochemist760

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Someone please tell me what is the most economical highest producing system for a beginner?
at hydro

setting up medical grow with dad who is now recovering from cancer treatment.
i've already looked at the various systems, but what is the best based on the Pros vs Cons?

Thank you, I'd certainly appreciate any help.

the room is 4x8 tent, with 3, 400 watt lights
 
Given your space, I would recommend getting either 4 rainforest 66 systems or a 12 plant ebb and gro. If using the rainforest 66 only use 3 of the 6 sites per system and one system per 400w light. The rainforests will cost more money but produce the best results. If you have'nt already bought your lights, I'd also strongly recommend going with 3x600w instead of 400w. Not a lot of cost difference for much better results.
 

budsmoker706

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Given your space, I would recommend getting either 4 rainforest 66 systems or a 12 plant ebb and gro. If using the rainforest 66 only use 3 of the 6 sites per system and one system per 400w light. The rainforests will cost more money but produce the best results. If you have'nt already bought your lights, I'd also strongly recommend going with 3x600w instead of 400w. Not a lot of cost difference for much better results.

For a begginer I would use a ebb&flow system. It gave me a good yeild off my first grow. You can look at my setup if you like at this theard. All the parts were purchased at home depot.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/211734-3rd-grow-white-widow-ebb.html:blsmoke:
 

biochemist760

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why does the rain forest 66 system produce better results then the 12 plant ebb and flow?
this basically looks like a d.w.c, is it?


oh, no it looks to be aeroponic

are hydroponics not practicable to D.I.Y?

all the sights on the 66 setup should not be used because? root tangling or bad side lighting?
 
why does the rain forest 66 system produce better results then the 12 plant ebb and flow?
this basically looks like a d.w.c, is it?


oh, no it looks to be aeroponic

are hydroponics not practicable to D.I.Y?

all the sights on the 66 setup should not be used because? root tangling or bad side lighting?
RF 66 gets much more oxygen to the roots (thousands of tiny oxygen rich nutrient bubbles hitting each of your root balls 24/7) and the growth is explosive to say the least. You should only use 3 of the sites because the plants will outgrow the system and crowd each other.
 

vandewalle

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build your own aeroponics system, there are great guides in the DIY section, and you will save a lot of money, it may not look super professional, but a good rubbermade container is where its at. for my grow i am doing now i am just using ebb+flow, but for my next grow im moving over to aeroponics.
 
yeah, stinkbud has a diy aeroponic system similar to the aeroflo you might want to check out if you are good at building stuff. It might be kind of tough to fit in a 4x8 tent though.

But seriously, if you have the money to spend, get a rainforest 66. A lot of people build DIY aeroponic systems that are just inferior to the originals they are designed after. For example, I have never built or seen anyone build, an ez cloner that did not leak water. So, I went out and spent $350 on the original. Then I bought a $1000 aeroflo system instead of following stinkbuds plans. At $3000-$4000 a pound, I have always been of the philosophy to just bite the bullet and buy the best. Our hobby pays for itself and then some very quickly. I'm sure a lot of people would both agree and disagree with me.
 

(Butters)

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This question has been asked before and tends to be met with the good old expression, "it depends". Depends on money you're looking to spend. Depends on work you're willing to put in. Depends on space you have. Depends on plants you're looking to grow. Depends on whether you want a constant, steady supply or are okay with big harvests every 3 months.

You mentioned "economical" in your original post. E&F and DWC are great methods for yield and speed. But with the water pumps and bubblers running as frequently as they do along with the lighting can jack up the electric bill and always run the risk of fire. Look up 'Hempy Buckets" and you may find an interesting option. It's a hydro-soil hybrid type of grow. No soil is used. Just perlite and vermiculite. No air stones or air pumps running at all. Just a bucket, a small hole 2" above the bottom of the bucket, and every other day watering. Solid results, similar yield, same finishing time, minimal fringe-electricity used, and fairly low maintenance (no rez changes needed...just watering). Haven't grown this way myself yet but I know a decent amount about it as I have been asking the same exact ? that you originally posted above.

If you decide to go ebb n flow, just go to Al B. Fucts thread (get a harvest every 2 weeks). He knows his stuff, gives detailed instructions and concepts, and his SOG method will never leave your father low on much-needed supply. Al B. is not on this very often so I would direct questions to a very skilled protege of his...Gypsy Bush. He won't give himself credit for knowing much, but trust me, the guy knows the ebb n flow method in and out and is more than happy to take on new learners.

If going DWC, I would recommend joining the DWC GrowClub and seeking out OnTheDL. Again, very skilled and knowledgeable about this method and very willing to answer questions. Roseman's threads are also a great source of info on this method as well.

With 3 400w hps, a 4x8 grow tent, and a medical user in need of regular supply, I would strongly recommend doing some variation of Sea of Green or Perpetual Harvest...at least in the beginning to get the regular supply up and running. It's a bit of work, but you'll never run out and never be dependant on the survival of just a few plants.

Also check out MBlaze's grow. He grows these trees that literally yield over a pound! You'll see Gypsy Bush attempting a similar method of growing. Less plants = less legal risk. Kinda changes the whole risk-reward ratio.

I apologize for not attaching links to threads to the grows that I am mentioning. In a bit of a rush. Just go to Search and click on Show Posts and then enter the names that I have mentioned.

As for pros and cons. Pros of SOG grows (some mentioned above) come in the easier manicuring process (this will drive you crazy). DWC is hardcore yield but takes a bit more time on maintenance and you will need to buy more DI or RO water. E&F is easier maintenance but still more than Hempy Buckets. Both DWC and EnF will use more electricity and be more maintenance than hempy. Hempy buckets I believe may have slightly less yield but not by much. I would imagine that it's more maintenance doing SOG with Hempy than it is with DWC or E n F.

Best of luck to you in your adventure and props for helping out your father with the medical care.
 

(Butters)

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LOL, I think he wants a recirculating hydro system, not hand watered hydro similar to growing in soil. But I'm not ragging on hempy buckets, they are definitely cool and I have much love for them. Just apples to oranges.
You can set up a simple rez/water pump combo on a timer with hempy as well to avoid the hand watering aspect. Takes away the advantage of not having to use airstones and airpumps...but still usable and simple.

Recirculating rocks out with it's co@* out too though.
 

biochemist760

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what about a drip system to rockwool cubes, the drip containing the nutrients? where can i find information on this type of setup.
 
There is a video on youtube of a guy called Mr Green that shows you how to setup an ebb and flow table and a drip system. Good basic beginner setup step by step. It might be a good idea to just learn how to grow with a basic inexpensive setup similar to the one he shows you how to build before you invest 3k+ in a top of the line setup.

But when you're ready to step up to a system that gives you the most explosive growth possible the rain forest 66, ebb & gro and aeroflo systems are worth looking into. They are not for everyone, but if you don't mind the learning curve it's pretty exciting to walk into your flower room and see your plants 3" taller overnight!
 
You can set up a simple rez/water pump combo on a timer with hempy as well to avoid the hand watering aspect. Takes away the advantage of not having to use airstones and airpumps...but still usable and simple.

Recirculating rocks out with it's co@* out too though.
Yeah but run to waste is really not much easier than hand watering. Recirculating IS the shit. I grew in hempy for a while and loved it. Easiest, most care-free way to get 2-4oz plants there is. But, it's not the quickest. In fact it's fairly slow compared to recirculating hydro systems. My current plants are on day 15 flower after 7 days of clone and 7 days of veg and are roughly the size of my hempy bucket plants at day 45 flower (minus the bud development of course).

Where I want to go is Hi flow recirculating DWC systems like krusty buckets with bare vertical lighting and produce some 2-3 POUND plants. But that's another thread...
 
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