what is the federal government's real role?

with this years elections quickly coming up and the presidential elections a mere two years in the future, i'm curious as to what we really expect from our federal officials. promises are made each election cycle and they are just as quickly broken, we expect as much, but what drives us to choose one set of false promises over another is a curious matter. we know that government is incapable or unwilling to give us the chicken in every pot and two cars in every garage that we all seem to aspire to, so isn't it about time we adjusted our expectations of what government can do for us? i'm constantly reminded of that short news clip of the woman who was so pleased that, now that obama was headed for the oval office, she would no longer have to worry about her mortgage payments and affording gas for her car. just what is it we expect from these hundreds of men and women in washington and what sort of people should they be?

every campaign we witness is all about the leadership qualities of this candidate and that, but do we really need leaders? sheep need to be led, the mindless herd requires direction, the independent individual only needs someone to insure his liberty. we seem to forget that all these politicians are our employees and that employees are subservient to the description of their jobs. in the case of elected officials, their job is not to cater to the fickle will of the puling masses. their job is to uphold the tenets upon which this country was founded. those ideals were pretty clearly defined a little over two hundred years ago and they did not include the micro-management of the lives of the people or the massive nanny-state intrusions that our government has decided is in the best interests of the people. it seems quite clear that the federal government's duty was merely intended to be one of protecting the rights of the individual and that interference in their affairs was to be left to far more regional authorities. such messy meddling is the domain of state and local bureaucracies, with the watchful eye of the federal government standing guard to make sure that those petty bureaucrats don't go too far in restricting the rights of their citizens.

for decades we have tended toward a more centralized authority, with the federal government intruding into the duties of regional authority, and it just doesn't appear to be going too well. the people seem to demand more and more of their representatives in washington and government has grown to meet those demands. we are heaping the responsibility of our society's success on washington's shoulders and denying our own part in that success or failure. should we really be casting our ballots based on what these people can do for us or should we be asking them to just secure our liberty and allow us to make our own way?

i expect the feds to make me feel better with fairytale stories of real issues. i also expect them to make me as comfortable as possible with perscription drugs while calling me a criminal because of my interest in marijuana and other plants. i expect them to spend another decade in the middle east (who have been waring since the beginning of time), putting my children and grandchildren into more debt. i also expect them to make up a word after we owe china more than 999 trillion dollars. finally i expect the government to fuck me in the ass every chance they get and to kick me to the curb like a 5$ whore when i really do need help

KaleoXxX said:

i expect.....

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the question is not what we presently expect, but what we should expect. are we mindless sheep that need to be led by the nose and lied to for our own good or are we independent individuals who require only that our federal government see to its constitutional duties and then step out of our way so we can succeed or fail on our own? should we be electing leaders or employees?

I hope everyone posting here knows which statement I selected.

For the uninitiated, it was number two.

It's the Constitution, stupid.

The Govt is supposed to oversee the state Govts to insure they uphold the constitution, but the individual laws other than what is listed in the Constitution is supposed to be decided by the people of each state pertaining to each state but now the Govt has become a corrupt corperate structure built on trapping and oppressing the people to further fund their endeavors with fines , taxes, imprsionment, etc...That is why regardless of if you are a fighter you all need to join your local militia as well as join the Guardians of the Free Republics and put an end to this now while we can. We will be stepping forward in a month or two, as soon as we have everything in place....so if you want things to change you are ALL going to have to call your local Governor and state Rep and let them know without a doubt that if they don't follow the Restore America Initiative they will be dealt with as criminals against the people and enemies of the Constitution. This will have a much greater impact and effect if people start calling politicians now. I have been writing my Governor and they actually responded with a non-generic letter...so do it up people!

What the Federal Government ought to be doing is well delineated in the Constitution, Federalist Papers and other important documents. Chief among these, is to maintain a military and to defend our Nation. A large welfare state was clearly the opposite of what the framers intended.

I think if people were truly educated as to how much we really know about which economic theories work and which fail discussions of this type wouldn't occur. Because our educational system has been hijacked by Left wing impostors, we are winding up with people with zero understanding of just how brilliant the framers were and what a monumental success their experiment has become. It's sad really.

I see this with all forms of goverenment.
How do you prevent the relatively few from co-opting the powers and privileges of the predominant many?
Communism seems to work the worst. I was born and raised in a socialist country and I can tell ya from experience its government is GENERALLY more responsive but now you have a caste of Government employees that will studiously defend their own interests (reaycheck and benefits) to the detriment of virtually anyone else. When you nationalize education you see the same thing and healtcare as well.
Capitalism and by extension a Republic (What we have now, Not what went down in 1776 - but the closest I can find) allow the freest expression of personal freedoms , as long as you don't piss of anyone with power (influence and/or authority).
I see no solution.

Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss...
(maybe not initiially, but give em time)

Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss...
(maybe not initiially, but give em time)

My mantra. Way too many bosses. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. All these conservatives seem to think they are the boss, fuck-em. Just keep those SS checks commin. Tax the rich and feed the poor. Provide jobs so the poor can move on up, BTW, we are all human beings.

medicineman said:

My mantra. Way too many bosses. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. All these conservatives seem to think they are the boss, fuck-em. Just keep those SS checks commin. Tax the rich and feed the poor. Provide jobs so the poor can move on up, BTW, we are all human beings.

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Way too many bosses from the government stepping on my rights ( and everyone else's ).
Don't make this a left-right or class issue - we are all human beings. Dividing people is what leads to prejudice, envy, hate. Progressive taxes, affirmative action, and many government programs are all forms of discrimination.
The SS ponzi-scheme is long gone as an option for most Americans.
How about : tax everyone, and give everyone the freedom to feed themselves.
And "provide jobs" ? It's not really a funny joke.

medicineman said:

The "Funny" thing is that SS would have been funded well into the 2050s had the general fund not gobbled it up. SS was and still is, if managed properly, capable of funding all recipients well into the future. Tell me this. why do they cut off withdrawing SS withholding at 90,000 bucks. That means the wealthy do not pay into it after their first 90,000 dollars of income. Lose that unfair law and the funding of SS would be secure well into the future. Why should an individual be allowed to skate just because they make a boatload of money?? Lets look at the SS and Tax codes. They definently favor the wealthy. Lets say you make a million bucks a year: 910,000 is untaxed for SS funds, that means 10+ people that make 90,000 have to pay for that dick to retire, break it down to people that make 45,000 or less and we're talking 20-30 people that are paying that dicks retirement. Say you make much more....... well you get the drift, and BTW why would a multi millionaire need SS anyway? ,

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You are an example of why social programs don't work. There are just too many people like you who contribute nothing to society except discontentment.

Do you know who does the most to benefit society - it's the capitalists. You see, capitalists make things and offer services that people need. And they create jobs in the process. So, it is the rich guys who make life better for everyone else. The poor produce nothing.

And just so you know, my business has to match every dollar my employees pay in SS and Medicaid. So, the fact is, the rich, the ones who create wealth for everyone, pay far more into these programs than the workers.

I'm curious though - you seem to be proud to be a bum. Where do you, as a complete drain on society, get this sense of righteous indignation towards those who contribute to society and make your existence possible. Seems to me like you should be thanking them for putting food on your table and making computers so that you can sit home in your pajamas and gripe about the world.

RickWhite said:

The poor produce nothing.

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without labor, all the capital in the world would be useless. it is not the poor who produce nothing, but the indigent who lack the drive to do anything more than suckle at the taxpayer's teat and those who enable them.

medicineman said:

Meet the new boss.
Same as the old boss...
(maybe not initiially, but give em time)

My mantra. Way too many bosses. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. All these conservatives seem to think they are the boss, fuck-em. Just keep those SS checks commin. Tax the rich and feed the poor. Provide jobs so the poor can move on up, BTW, we are all human beings.

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Do you realize that this is counterintuitive (or course you don't). By taxing the rich to feed the poor, as you so eloquently put it, punishes the rich (who are the ones creating the jobs) and rewards the poor. Then you want jobs provided? Who is gonna provide those jobs? You've just taken away any incentive for the rich to create the jobs you want. Then what happens when all the poor "move up"? Somebody has to be a janitor or a fry cook. We don't all get a trophy.

The real role of any government eventually becomes expansion, subjagation and self preservation. As evidence I submit, "the Federal government". I rest my case your honor.

He who controls food is king. He who controls knowledge is God.

The Fed's role is to control and regulate corporations. Simple as that. The constitution is set up for the protection of business and not that of the common people. back in the 1860's the constitution went from the United States for America to THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Its called E capitus Maximus. This is why your name is listed in all capital letters and you receive a SS #. You are not a person in the Feds eyes but a corporation. The United States itself is a corporation (the Virginia Company) thus is why its in all caps.