jonsnow399
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Germany was basically finished by the middle of 1944. The U.S. was needed in Europe to stop Stalin from overrunning Europe and installing Communist puppet governments.
What justifies US intervention?
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abandonconflict
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Nah, the US has been setting up puppet governments since long before that war.
jonsnow399
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of course, we wanted to set up OUR puppet governments.
abandonconflict
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But the countries the US imposed those regimes on didn't, so the US really wasn't needed in Europe at all.
jonsnow399
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except to keep Russia from occupying all Europe.
abandonconflict
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Well it's a good thing Russia was there to stop the NAZI's and the US from occupying all of Europe and the world for that matter.
ttystikk
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LOL I guess you haven't read much WWII history. I'm not saying the Russian army didn't do some serious heavy lifting, but the rest of the Allies were absolutely necessary- or Stalin would have been shot in 1943 and we'd have had to nuke a German Moscow.
I agree with many of your positions but you're flat wrong on this one.
'D-Day was just a skirmish' LMFAO
jonsnow399
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yeh, except we weren't going farther than Germany.
UncleBuck
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we (all allies combined) lost 80,000 in d-day.
stalingrad cost the lives of 1.2 million russians.
the only help the russians got from us were supplies, and they drove the nazis all the way back anyway.
abandonconflict
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That's because the Red Army would have definitely shut the US military down. You say us as though you were there, I think you would be the only WW2 vet on the forum...
abandonconflict
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Did you notice the "compared to" part of that? I have read about a dozen books on the subject and not simply the sources that would have been approved during the McCarthy witch hunt. The US contribution to bringing down the NAZIs was a drop in the bucket compared to what the Red Army fought. Also, US financial and oil interests were in many ways helpful to Germany. Please be careful not to just respond to part of an argument, there is always more than one premise to any conclusion. Yes, even D-Day, that highly propagandized and romanticized battle that has been overly glorified was but a skirmish in comparison with the Eastern Front.
jonsnow399
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We weren't going any farther because the declared enemy was defeated. I say we as an american.
ttystikk
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And if the Allies hadn't been fighting in the West and tying up Nazi resources, the Russians would have lost more lives AND their country.
ttystikk
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I agree with the above. The only part I disagree with was your trivializing of the Allied contribution to the outcome.
UncleBuck
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no, by the time we landed on d-day the russians had already put the nazis in full retreat.
UncleBuck
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how do you feel about central banks and the federal reserve?
abandonconflict
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I pointed this out twice, but there were US financial and oil interests helping Germany which negates some of that so in net, the US contribution in the war against Germany was quite small in comparison to that of Russia.