What makes an indica indica and a sativa a sativa?

Mader89

Mader89

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What makes an indica indica and a sativa a sativa? Friend told me a cutting they just got "Dutch Treat", did a little search on it and found it's an uppedy high but it says the hybrid is 80I/20S as far as I've know indicas are sedative sativas are engergetic. Also how is it they can say it's 80/20 what makes it not just a 50/50?
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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The answer to what really mostly changes the effects is terpenes and cannabinoids.

Sam the Skunkman wrote about smoking an afghani and a thai with identical cannabinoid profiles almost. Dramatically different terpenes. The effects were dramatically different in his own words. And we all know what Thai and Afghani is supposed to be like.

The ratios indicated by seed companies are totally useless. Some plants will have different %'s of those genetics. What they're basically saying is it's mostly composed of indica leaning varieties. But indicas can be uppity too if they have the right terpenes.

Cannabinoid differences can obviously have a large effect as well. The Skunkman seems to think that when dealing with high THC varieties, the terpenes are the most important factor though. Considering his history, and his resources, he's worth listening to IMO.
 
Mader89

Mader89

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Maybe I need to rephrase what defines an indica or a sativa? Does skunk man explain that? With out being over technical about it?
OGEvilgenius said:
The answer to what really mostly changes the effects is terpenes and cannabinoids.

Sam the Skunkman wrote about smoking an afghani and a thai with identical cannabinoid profiles almost. Dramatically different terpenes. The effects were dramatically different in his own words. And we all know what Thai and Afghani is supposed to be like.

The ratios indicated by seed companies are totally useless. Some plants will have different %'s of those genetics. What they're basically saying is it's mostly composed of indica leaning varieties. But indicas can be uppity too if they have the right terpenes.

Cannabinoid differences can obviously have a large effect as well. The Skunkman seems to think that when dealing with high THC varieties, the terpenes are the most important factor though. Considering his history, and his resources, he's worth listening to IMO.
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docter

docter

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Off the top of my head. Indicas have short internodes and Saltiva plants long internodes Also Indicas have shorter flowering times. Purer Sativa's can take 10 weeks or longer to mature. Pure strains are typical land Race strains. Also the Terpene Myrcene is more notably present in many Idicas .

The 80/20 thing can be simplified as (80% Head high and a 20% Body Stone)This is variable by the breeder. PS Check out Greg Green books on breeding.

.doc
 
Mader89

Mader89

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Your awesome Doc.
docter said:
Off the top of my head. Indicas have short internodes and Saltiva plants long internodes Also Indicas have shorter flowering times. Purer Sativa's can take 10 weeks or longer to mature. Pure strains are typical land Race strains. Also the Terpene Myrcene is more notably present in many Idicas .

The 80/20 thing can be simplified as (80% Head high and a 20% Body Stone)This is variable by the breeder. PS Check out Greg Green books on breeding.

.doc
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OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Mader89 said:
Maybe I need to rephrase what defines an indica or a sativa? Does skunk man explain that? With out being over technical about it?
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I guess my main point was that what makes them what they are is the terpene profiles. Sativas tend to be longer flowering and have significant differences in plant structure compared to an indica. But most already know that.

Pure sativas usually take far longer than 10wks. Some are shorter though (durban poison) sometimes. I've seen people talk about multi year flowering plants in places in Thailand, but I haven't seen any hard evidence. It would not surprise me though.

As far as the terpenes go themselves - they appear to have some affinity for the various cannabinoids and other receptors in our body as well. They are modulators in a similar way we know CBD to modulate THC.
 
Farmer's Hat

Farmer's Hat

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Each plant has a slightly different biological makeup. A sativa dominant hybrid could get you really "stoned", and an indica dominant hybrid could give you a nice uplifting high.

Through selective breeding we can create an indica "looking" strain, with a specific cannabinoid and terpene makeup that will produces a real energetic high.

The sativa to indica ratio is just a rough estimate, it holds no credibility. I could smoke it and fall asleep, because that is the affect it has on ME. You could smoke it, and get a great head high! In short, you have to smoke the flower in order to feel its affects. ;)
 
Mader89

Mader89

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Think I was a lil to high when I read your post cause I understand it just fine now. Starting to under stand terpenes more.
OGEvilgenius said:
I guess my main point was that what makes them what they are is the terpene profiles. Sativas tend to be longer flowering and have significant differences in plant structure compared to an indica. But most already know that.

Pure sativas usually take far longer than 10wks. Some are shorter though (durban poison) sometimes. I've seen people talk about multi year flowering plants in places in Thailand, but I haven't seen any hard evidence. It would not surprise me though.

As far as the terpenes go themselves - they appear to have some affinity for the various cannabinoids and other receptors in our body as well. They are modulators in a similar way we know CBD to modulate THC.
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Eye of Horus

Eye of Horus

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The answer can be found by looking up Steep Hill, they have done tests to find all this information out. One terpene is responsible for either indica or sativa and it is called Myrcene (spelling could be off). Look up the article by steep hill, scientific proof so you don't have to listen to people tell you all kinds of random shit that means nothing.

Since I suggested looking up the article here it is.

http://steephilllab.com/indica-or-sativa/
 
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