What sweeteners do you use outdoors? (answered)

greg nr

greg nr

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And of course confusing the situation are products called "Sweet" and "Bud Candy" which do in fact have sugars in them. But, sweet at least is mostly a Mag-Sulphur supplement, and Bud Candy is a similar mix (I think, I don't use it).

And just to confuse you even more, Sweet comes in raw, lemon, and berry variants, none of which actually impart any flavor to the bud.

Now there are reasons you may need to supplement mag without calcium, and sulphur is a ripening agent. So even with a good feed program you can still need additional mag. I know, I know, there are organic analogs. But for the bottle feeders, it's still an option.
 
natureboygrower

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greg nr said:
And of course confusing the situation are products called "Sweet" and "Bud Candy" which do in fact have sugars in them. But, sweet at least is mostly a Mag-Sulphur supplement, and Bud Candy is a similar mix (I think, I don't use it).

And just to confuse you even more, Sweet comes in raw, lemon, and berry variants, none of which actually impart any flavor to the bud.

Now there are reasons you may need to supplement mag without calcium, and sulphur is a ripening agent. So even with a good feed program you can still need additional mag. I know, I know, there are organic analogs. But for the bottle feeders, it's still an option.
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i thought about bringing that sweet up lol.i used that a long time ago on a caramella plant,it came out tasting really nice but im not sure if it was the sweet or that particular strain.id like to grow that plant again,actually.i do believe youre right about the sweet,magnesium based.
 
doug mirabelli

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GrowGorilla said:
Dude. Molasses(Sweetener) is to feed the microbes in the soil. It's not to sweeten the buds or make them swell...
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You talk too much like you know everything around here. Yes it to feed the microbes too but hydro growers add molasses during flowering to fatten buds too which is obviously not for microbes. Soil growers who aren't organic may still be interested in using it too.
 

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ruby fruit

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natureboygrower said:
mistakes are the best way to learn.every year i learn something new.always.i would use coots recipe as a base and add a few other things as well.i had a couple other members help me build some soil for this season.in this batch,i also added alfafa meal,greensand and just a little cow manure(moo doo i think) the plants have been thriving.the amount of perlite or whatever aeration you choose is very,very important.dont be shy about adding that.at least 33% or more.last years soil could have used a bit of amending as ive had to supplement with the bat guano for nitrogen this season.i plan on sending a soil sample out at the end of the season for analysis.the pic is from this years soil,that plant was about 18" when i put it out last week of june.any questions pm me and ill try and help anyway i can.gl on the rest of your growView attachment 3992260

yeah,a good soil is hard to beat.tbh,ive personally just had problems feeding from a bottle.i follow the directions but either dont give enough or give too much,volume wise.with this nutrient rich,"built" soil in larger containers,my plants stay green thru veg and in flower,i add very minimal in terms of a bloom formula.like i said earlier,im onto the fish bone meal this grow,and like the results so far.i think the worm castings are A1 as well.damn,is it time for you to start your grow already? seems you were just harvesting lol
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Get into the swing of things proper mid Sept to early oct depending on weather:)
 
Jimmy Verde

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ruby fruit said:
I used the kiss method with good soil and worm castings and had some really nice tasting bud from that.
That was 2 seasons ago and I think ill go back to that method this grow coming up (southern hemisphere)
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Whats this"kiss" method you speak of
 
chemphlegm

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doug mirabelli said:
I'm going to try the product "Terpenez" at the end of my flowering cycle outside. I think it's an organic ingredient bc it's only terpenes itself from what I understand. It helps to have a micro herd to break down the terpenes and somehow it trigger terpene production in cannabis. I don't know the science but I'm going to try it. I should do a control plant without the treatment in order to compare but probs won't.

Also I've read that sulphur increases terpene production which I think is weird. Doesn't sulphur smell horrible?
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never heard of this, thanks."
It is important to understand how Terpenez works vs leading competitor products currently on the market.

Competitor products in this class work by augmenting (adding) raw materials to the front end of the gibberellic cycle in hopes to increase overall resin production. These products may be designed to stress the plant at the molecular level in an attempt to induce a stronger senescence (flowering) response. If a plant thinks it's dying or under attack it will often produce compounds including resin in response. In our professional opinion, this method is flawed as it would not be yield savvy to molecularly attack your plant during the bulking phase in hopes of greater resin production.

Terpenez, alternatively, uses bio-identical, organic, steam distilled plant extracts that the target plant identifies as its own. No undue stress, no heavy metals, no salts, just extracts and an organic wetting agent."

I used suphur in some dirt pots and it locked all the plants up that I used it in. I cut the amount half of what I read here on the forum and each failed miserable, right to the rabbits.

If 1/10th fertilizer strength is used to grow a plant wouldnt using 50% strength make the plant produce more terpenes ?
 
ruby fruit

ruby fruit

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Jimmy Verde said:
Whats this"kiss" method you speak of
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Keep It Simple Stupid :)

I used the Lucas method/formula while applying the kiss method.
Not i found I over thought growing the worse i got im a lot better now keeping it simple

Lucas formula/method truly works especially if you have gd soil mix and like using powdered soluble bloom feets
Look that one up it worked well for me it's along the lines of primarily using only bloom fert most of the grow and hardly any if not no veg ferts
 
natureboygrower

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chemphlegm said:
If a plant thinks it's dying or under attack it will often produce compounds including resin in response. In our professional opinion, this method is flawed as it would not be yield savvy to molecularly attack your plant during the bulking phase in hopes of greater resin production.
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hmmm,interesting.i topdress with insect frass in hopes of triggering this type of response(as well as overall vigor)maybe not as beneficial as i thought?
 
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natureboygrower said:
mistakes are the best way to learn.every year i learn something new.always.i would use coots recipe as a base and add a few other things as well.i had a couple other members help me build some soil for this season.in this batch,i also added alfafa meal,greensand and just a little cow manure(moo doo i think) the plants have been thriving.the amount of perlite or whatever aeration you choose is very,very important.dont be shy about adding that.at least 33% or more.last years soil could have used a bit of amending as ive had to supplement with the bat guano for nitrogen this season.i plan on sending a soil sample out at the end of the season for analysis.the pic is from this years soil,that plant was about 18" when i put it out last week of june.any questions pm me and ill try and help anyway i can.gl on the rest of your growView attachment 3992260

That's quite the beautiful lady you got there! She looks amazing, what strain is that if you don't mind me asking? I am current;y trying to figure out what strains are good for outdoors in my area (Rhode Island/Mass Boarder) since the grow time is pretty short compared to other states.I am extremely interested in doing this soil now. It sounds like you have this soil dialed in pretty damn well based on your picture so I would love to pick your brain for a few about it. I will shoot you a private message tonight so we can discuss this. Thanks for wanting to help man, it's amazing to have knowledgeable growers around to help each other.
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natureboygrower

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@AEB424
thanks bro,kind of ya.i really consider myself a novice and a bit of a noob to organics and even growing for that matter.there are way,way more experienced guys on here that ive picked info up from.check the outdoor grows as well as the organics threads,you'll see them posting(good growers on this thread too)that plant is red heri fruit bud(you caught me,that plant can get huge lol)but im not sure if it will finish for me,first time growing it.my season is shorter than yours,and it has an october finishing time...i couldnt resist tho,i have a few that are going to be heartbreakers for me.there are a few breeders on here that would be fine as kind for your location.
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keep it up, insect frass is very good for your soil and plants
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glad to hear that.thanks
 
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too larry

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doug mirabelli said:
. . . . . . . Also I've read that sulphur increases terpene production which I think is weird. Doesn't sulphur smell horrible?
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The water source for my FP patch is sulfur water. Last year this patch had the biggest and best plants. Not sure if it was the sulfur, or just the fact it had more water than the Darwin Dope patches. But again this season, the plants in that patch are looking the best.
 
Nugs1

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doug mirabelli said:
You talk too much like you know everything around here. Yes it to feed the microbes too but hydro growers add molasses during flowering to fatten buds too which is obviously not for microbes. Soil growers who aren't organic may still be interested in using it too.
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Your logic is flawed.. thinking that hydro doesn't have microbes. Studies show that a good hydro set up will have just as much microbes and beneficial bacteria as a straight compost pile. These things mostly attach to the roots. The "sweetener" or molasses is to feed the microbes.
When the plant makes sugars as its food source and it always makes more than it needs so it sends it down and excretes it through the roots to purposefully feed the microbes. Once the plant is more than half done budding it will stop making sugars because well its dying and it knows it. So those microbes take the sugars and in turn make growth hormones. When the plant stops feeding them sugars they stop making growth hormones. More growth hormones mean more growth in the plant or what its focused on growing at the moment, which would be the bud= bigger buds.
 
doug mirabelli

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Nugs1 said:
Your logic is flawed.. thinking that hydro doesn't have microbes. Studies show that a good hydro set up will have just as much microbes and beneficial bacteria as a straight compost pile. These things mostly attach to the roots. The "sweetener" or molasses is to feed the microbes.
When the plant makes sugars as its food source and it always makes more than it needs so it sends it down and excretes it through the roots to purposefully feed the microbes. Once the plant is more than half done budding it will stop making sugars because well its dying and it knows it. So those microbes take the sugars and in turn make growth hormones. When the plant stops feeding them sugars they stop making growth hormones. More growth hormones mean more growth in the plant or what its focused on growing at the moment, which would be the bud= bigger buds.
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I wasn't aware that salt based nutrients promoted life. I thought it actually killed microbes but I don't really know. What studies are you talking about?
 
Nugs1

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doug mirabelli said:
I wasn't aware that salt based nutrients promoted life. I thought it actually killed microbes but I don't really know. What studies are you talking about?
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Jimmy Verde said:
Synthetic nuit's don't kill a super soil..?
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sweetness typically aren't salt based. Thats why you hear all about molasses etc. I'm not sure about any salt based sweeteners. Only things like koolbloom which is salt based but not a sweetener.
 
Jimmy Verde

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Nugs1 said:
sweetness typically aren't salt based. Thats why you hear all about molasses etc. I'm not sure about any salt based sweeteners. Only things like koolbloom which is salt based but not a sweetener.
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OH sweeteners yar I'm silly forgot what thread this was lol thought someone was putting synthetic nuit's in there organic supersoil medium lol
 
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