What would you do? {New Legal Grower}

bradon

Member
Hey all so as the title indicates I'm a new legal medical marijuana patient and have two good friends with experience we have indoor accommodations and a limit of 25 plants we have some lights and grow equip from past but now that I'm legal i want to do this right this is my medicine now.

So really I'm just looking for what your ideas are about what you would do with 25 legal plants ie a couple of strains in scrog say 5-8 plants and then the rest hydro or go big and plant all 25 in soil under lots of light or what any ideas are welcome.

Regards,
Bradon
 

meezy4tw

Active Member
It depends on if you want lots of smaller plants, or just a few bigger ones. You cap out at 25, so lets say you set up a sea of green setup. You could have 15 in flower and 10 in veg, in doing this your grow will be continuous. I don't know dimensions on your grow space or what your budget is, but I would say to get a few thousand watts going at least ;) you're legal now so why not?
Also keep in mind that you DO have an outdoor season coming up soon. You may want to leave a few spaces open out of your 25 just in case ;)
 

bradon

Member
The outdoor option is out due to proximity to an area frequented by minors (were near a park) so the gov says indoor. for space we have an average garage prolly 12x14 and two 10x10 bedrooms to chose from, as for cash i make good coin as a certified trade and the best part is my buddy is a bit of a garden guy so hes willing to put a little coin into this too I'm thinking just to see what he can grow. i have never done hydro or aero so i don't know if the cash out is worth it i probably want to stay around 4000w totall just to keep the power bill under control.
 

Plebscrubber

Active Member
depends what your priority is... mine would be to generate as much high grade as possible...

Forget soil and forget organic, go all hydro

get 3 x 1000w hps for flower
get 2 x 400w MH for veg
get some fluros for starting small seedlings and clones
use the bedroom as veg room, use your garage as flower
have 7 plants in flower, 7 in veg, 9 in clones/babies, and 2 mother plants

you kill off the 2 weakest clones before you move them to veg

dont skimp on the initial grow room setups...
 

OldGrowth420

Well-Known Member
*scratch arrogant comment*

First how big is the space in which you intend to grow?


1000 watt bulbs are a waste of electricity. True, lumens and light penetration are very important, but what is even more important is light saturation. You want as many points of light in your grow as possible, the farther away from the lamp, the less efficient your grow will be.


The best possible setup is to use 600 watt HPS (High Pressure Sodium) for vegging for a max of 6x6ft area.

*(preferably 3x3ft you want to get those plants as close as you can to the light as soon as they are old enough to handle it)
Preferably, though some people swear by HPS through the whole process Metal Halide bulbs work best for the vegetation.

Organic is the only way to go.

Humans are organic, the substances we put into our body must also be organic.

The best, most productive, and quickest way to grow great top shelf organic medicine is Aeroponics using organic teas made of animal dung and other nutrients.

All of these things are explained in more detail on this site and many others.

If you would like to use soil (which is the easiest and produces the most tasty weed on earth) I recommend using 1-3 Gallon containers,

Much deeper than wide to maximize on grow space of Fox Farm* 1/2 Light Warrior 1/2 Ocean Forest or Black Gold potting soil
(Fox Farm soils are not 100% organic unless it has an OMRI listing)

Any more questions feel free to ask.

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collective gardener

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Newbs teaching newbs is no way to roll.

First how big is the space in which you intend to grow?


1000 watt bulbs are a waste of electricity. True, lumens and light penetration are very important, but what is even more important is light saturation. You want as many points of light in your grow as possible, the farther away from the lamp, the less efficient your grow will be.


The best possible setup is to use 600 watt HPS (High Pressure Sodium) for flowering for every 6x6ft area.

Preferably, though some people swear by HPS through the whole process Metal Halide bulbs work best for the vegetation.

Organic is the only way to go.

Humans are organic, the substances we put into our body must also be organic.

The best, most productive, and quickest way to grow great top shelf organic medicine is Aeroponics using organic teas made of animal dung and other nutrients.

All of these things are explained in more detail on this site and many others.

If you would like to use soil (which is the easiest and produces the most tasty weed on earth) I recommend using 1-3 Gallon containers,

Much deeper than wide to maximize on grow space of Fox Farm* 1/2 Light Warrior 1/2 Ocean Forest or Black Gold potting soil
(Fox Farm soils are not 100% organic unless it has an OMRI listing)

Any more questions feel free to ask.

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I usually don't bother to point out bad info, but I'd hate to have a newbe listen to this. 600 watts for every 6x6 area? "Best possible settup"? Friend, thats 16 watts per sq ft...not even close to minimum light, let alone "best possible". 40 watts is minimum, 50 the norm, and most growers with experience will use 60+. I use 62.5. That's right, one 1000 watt light for every 4x4 space. 600's are fine, but should light up a 3x3 area. The whole advantage of 600's is to pack the lights in and get em real close to the canopy.

Animal dung teas in an aeroponic settup? I'd like to see that. You'd clog nozzles every 5 minutes, and you'll never get the right nute combination. I'm a fan of teas as a supplement to good soil, or a commercial organic hydro solution.

1-3 gallons, eh? Maybe in a sog or scrog, but in a med grow with limitted plant numbers, think 10+ gallons. And, wide pots are the ticket. A wide pot encourages plants to grow wide, not tall.

While there is some debate over 1000 vs 600, claiming that 1000's are a "waste of electricity" is just ignorant. Check out my grow and tell me how much electricity I'm wasting.

Please, get some experience under your belt before you start trying to help other newbs.

https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/407048-20-000-watt-medical-grow.html
 

bradon

Member
We picked our grow spot! its the garage which is big probably 12 or 13 feet by 16 feet $$with 9.5 foot ceilings all plumbed with hot and cold water drainage were planning to divide it up for a perpetual grow system i have access to a false ceiling and I have the knowledge and shop so I'm making a couple of light movers one for veg and one for flower. So if we go 7x12 foot for the veg and 9x12 foot for the flower room i was thinking that 600W x2 on a mover for the veg and 1000W x2 on mover for the flower but dont know if that might be overkill and should go for 2 400W and 2 600W? my guys are big soil (guano) guys and they are the ones helping me we plan on going all organic as this is med, one reason for picking the garage is the high ceiling i want to use every inch of that space. If we do go with a perpetual system what kind of harvest schedules and rough yield would you expect off of a system like that?
 

Snow Crash

Well-Known Member
I like where you are going with some of the grow but I'd opt out on the light movers. It is a personal thing, fewer moving parts means less things to break down and replace over time.

What I would do in that space with say 5K to 20K is partition three spaces.

The Veg room:
Mother plants kept under MH lighting 600w is probably a good amount of light for a big mother or two.
Clones grown in a shelving area utilizing T5 lighting in 3" net pots with a media like Sure2Grow until roots are set.
Clones also grown under T5 lighting but in a coco/organic mix in 1 gallon planters.

The Flower room:
Vertical Coliseum recirculating aeroponic towers. Essentially 3" wye-joint PVC stacked and connected at the bottom in a circle.
I would use an interior "scrog" to keep the plants from reaching too close to the central lighting.
I'd probably go with two 600w systems using one HPS and one MH, or a 600w HPS and 1000w dual spectrum.
Each coliseum tower would contain 4 plants, there would be 4 towers per system, for 16 total.
Also I would have six modified Ebb/flow buckets setup with 3 gallon fabric planters for the organic/coco plants.
Above these plants I would have two 1000w lamps and allow the plants to hit a few feet tall, 4 and 5 footers in there.
This would be a run to waste organic system

The equipment room:
This area is used to house nutrients, reservoirs, a tea brewer, CO2 systems, and all the cooling equipment.

The ventilation system is set up to pull the buffered atmosphere into the flowering chamber, the flowering chamber then exhausts back into the buffer room. The vegetation room pulls atmosphere from the flowering room (because you'll want veg a little warmer than flowering) and vent that back into the equipment room.

The equipment room contains all the air conditioning, all the reservoirs, the ballasts... Everything that isn't plant, light, or fan. You keep the CO2 ppm, the temperature, and the humidity... the entire atmosphere of this room completely controlled. In return, you can run a completely enclosed system enriching the entire space the proper way.

I'm pushing it on the plants to be honest. I only have 22 plants in use, plus the mother plants, but the clones are probably going to be taken while you are still in flowering... So there will be periods of time when you haven't harvested all your plants and you're vegging the next generation in the other room. Offsetting things right, I'm sure there is a way around these issues. I think you're also allowed to have X number of immature plants and X number of mature... So that might be the loophole you'd need.

That's what I'd do. Three rooms. Vertical aeroponics and coco organics. CO2 enriched closed system. Probably just shy of 6000w of lighting total, 2600w in the flowering chamber alone. You'd need to be wired for both 220v and 110v, put as much lighting on the 220v as possible to keep the amps lower. I'd aim for One 20 amp 220v circuit, and probably four 15amp 110v circuits. That should cover a good 10,000w total (between the pumps and fans and AC and Dehumidifier, and everything else).

Figure that whole setup would probably provide a "more than adequate" amount of chronic. At that point you can begin looking at other ways of paying for your power bills... nudge nudge.
 

Plebscrubber

Active Member
dont listen to old growth...

listen to collective...

basically you want your flower area close to twice the size of your veg area

get 1000W for flower area, 600 will do for veg

im a little disapointed with the organic approach, your gunna rob yourself of a lot of high grade...

nature is not your friend, nature will kill you given half a chance...

if you let the plant do what it wants to do naturally, it will make half male and female and make a lot of pollen and seeds, you dont want to let nature do its thing, you must take control and crank out the sinsemellia then smoke it and get really stoned...

nature will also generate a lot of little bugs that will love to feed on your plants, you dont want that either

nature will make a small amount of low grade bud, sometimes...
 

OldGrowth420

Well-Known Member
dont listen to old growth...

listen to collective...

basically you want your flower area close to twice the size of your veg area

get 1000W for flower area, 600 will do for veg

im a little disapointed with the organic approach, your gunna rob yourself of a lot of high grade...

nature is not your friend, nature will kill you given half a chance...

if you let the plant do what it wants to do naturally, it will make half male and female and make a lot of pollen and seeds, you dont want to let nature do its thing, you must take control and crank out the sinsemellia then smoke it and get really stoned...

nature will also generate a lot of little bugs that will love to feed on your plants, you dont want that either

nature will make a small amount of low grade bud, sometimes...


I may have made an error when i quoted the ideal square footage being 6x6ft for a 600watt bulb,


6x6ft is achievable with a 600W and i have personally seen it done through all of vegetative growth using a MH bulb.

In fact i have seen a 450Watt MH bulb Veg 8 plants in a 5x5 foot area very well.

The chemicals used in the fertilizer will build up in your all parts of your plants and create a TOXIC chemical reaction when burned.


Chem ferts = Higher Yield and Poisonous, Dull Tasting/Smelling Mary Jane


Organic Ferts/Soil/Teas= Great Yields of Super Crystalline, Natural, Medicinal, Healthy, Great Smelling, Tasting, Herbal Ganja


Same goes for any fruit or vegetable.


The best rule of lighting, is take the amount of space you would want to cover with a 1000W Hid bulb, Then cram two 600W HID's in there instead
:)

200 more watts and better light saturation/spread over the canopy and sides of plants.
 

OldGrowth420

Well-Known Member
[video=youtube;SMaAJ3nHPLs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMaAJ3nHPLs[/video]

Here you go bud, Organis Aeroponic teas, The fastest, healthiest way to produce great above top shelf medicine.

Love that + Rep :)
 

Yeah Right

Active Member
It's hard to speculate yield. But it will be very easy to keep the 3 of you medicated for the rest of your lives with a 25 plant limit. Light movers are a very good addition for adding yield without the electrical drain. The bad thing is the initial cost.
 

bradon

Member
So I have been looking around and weighing options and heres an idea, I'm a little nervous about no soil but the results seem to be significant?

For Mothers and veg not sure yet on cycle speed but we just have so much room to grow our plants up in hight and the fact that i have no legal issues means i can light the hell out of these rooms if need be.
Ebb & Flowmaster Hydroponic System 2 x 4 growing area
i have one 400 already with plans for a second on veg table

Then into flower room will have no less then 2000W on light movers will likely add two 600W to the room
The WaterFarm 8-pack i have seen allot of good things about this system especially when the DIY ebb and flow mod is done but i almost want a bigger bucket I'm a huge believer in root growth.

so what do you guys think any ideas Co2 is also an in as its part of my trade how much does it help?
 
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