When Will USA Fall?

When Will USA Fall?


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dtRepeat

Active Member
alls we got to do is legalize it, tax it, remove the "war on drugs" which is just a war on pot, and our economy will pick back up and we wont even have to have this kinda poll will we.
 

rampagen08

Active Member
good luck with that dude. really, good luck.
it's not gonna happen in the amount of time needed.
that will take at LEAST till 2012 national election, THEN another 20 years to make enough revenue to get out of the debt
we are supposed to be closed down by [the latest, not earliest] 2020 by IMF if we don't step up our game right now.
which we won't.
i see us lasting till next year. maybe. this summer is gonna be crazy though!
 

dtRepeat

Active Member
good luck with that dude. really, good luck.
it's not gonna happen in the amount of time needed.
that will take at LEAST till 2012 national election, THEN another 20 years to make enough revenue to get out of the debt
we are supposed to be closed down by [the latest, not earliest] 2020 by IMF if we don't step up our game right now.
which we won't.
i see us lasting till next year. maybe. this summer is gonna be crazy though!
lol i never said it was gunna be easy or even relatively hard. its gunna be almost impossible, but im just posting what i think on the matter lol
 

dtp5150

Well-Known Member
I'm set if this goes down. People should really practice more primitive skills.
Right there with you! Alphas will rule the world once again haha


but I vote that we are working toward a global government. And I like that. Why can't we just all get along, pool resources, become more efficient ( being less efficient helps nobody ).

anyone interested should watch the first season at least of the series "Jericho" it only aired for a short time but was a disaster scenario with rival towns. Eventually people did start working together, but of course many were lead by fraudulent powers.
 

rampagen08

Active Member
it wont be like "pool me resource plox"
it will be totalitarianism. it will mean that NO country can speak out against another, so what if hitler 2 comes into power in this grand majesty of a super country-world-thing ?
we all get FUCKED.
especially with the new technology that's coming out.. did you know they successfully hooked up a rat brain to a robot body and it moves and thinks and reacts like the rat would?
did you know they're able to actually tap in to your thought processes now?
btw
http://blacklistednews.com/news-8821-0-9-9--.html
looks like obamas with you on the one world government! /humanfail
 

dtp5150

Well-Known Member
gang mentality is frightening. hopefully compassion wins out.

if shit hits the fan i'm heading for the hills. then i would start digging and made a cave or something. then i'd make a spear. of course I will bring knives and all that. :D and anything valuable. it will be a barter economy. ppl will still need their cannabis so i'll make sure to bring some seeds!
 

fluffygrrrl

Well-Known Member
America fail? I am really scared that so many people are falling for this doomsday scenario. Don't you remember Rush Limbaugh hoping Obama would fail? These lunatic fringe have been given too much airtime..because they took a page out of Mein Kampf, and realized that if you repeat something enough to the idiot masses, they will start to believe it. What else explains why low income people support the Republicans? What would make people vote against their own interests? What makes union workers vote for someone who would love to break all unions? What would make a senior on social security vote for someone who thinks social security is socialism? How about a little or a lot of FEAR repeated over and over by people they like and respect...I mean they have to be telling the truth, they are on Fox news right? Don't you know who really profits? Big Business. The NRA drummed up enough business to sell more guns this year than ever. I mean ask anyone what voting for GW did. Did he listen when he was warned about Osama bin Laden? Did he think about what would happen to a deeply divided country like Iraq after Saddam (the SECULAR leader who wasn't even Islamic or religious). Did he care about deficits? Then why didn't anyone else then? Because they didn't have someone TELLING them to is why.

Did he stop abortions? Did he give the little guy more money in his wallet?

Instead of trying to come up with things comparing Obama to a Marxist or Hitler, they need to see the other 4 fingers pointing back at them.

What is sad is that many Americans are being "USED" by Karl Rove and his Republican cronies. He knows they can't win without them. Look at the tea party people. They did a poll and 93% thought they paid more taxes last year, and in reality..anyone that made under 250,000 got a tax CUT. Plus when asked what they want to cut, they don't want to cut social security, medicare, and the military. Can't give up Police, firefighters, homeland security, teachers, federal inspections on food and toys. You can't cut deficits just by cleaning up government waste and pork spending! Where were these people 5 years ago when it came out that average Americans saw their incomes drop? Average Americans did not get tax cuts, it was wealthy people. That is why I don't understand tea party logic.

What is scary is there are too many talking heads spouting fear on TV (Glenn Beck) and the internet spreading this doomsday stuff. I get scared too when I only watch Fox news. Talk about unAmerican! Where are all these people that said we should support our President whether we agree or not? That is what I had to do when Bush was in office. If someone said anything negative about his policies we were called un Patriotic! What do you think these people are doing?

Don't you all remember that is how they got us to re-elect GW Bush using good old fear with their terror alerts going up right before elections?

They have tried to blame the new Administration for spending, but it is the Republican policies that made it necessary to spend our way out of the crisis. Every smart economist knows that you can't sit back and do nothing when a recession/depression hits. It is politically smart to capitalize on spending because most Americans don't know anything about economics.

People forget so quickly how Republicans have always been the ones spouting "DEFICITS DON"T MATTER" (Dick Cheny quote). Ronald Reagan ran up enormous deficits as well. I am old enough to remember in the 80s paying 12% interest on a housing loan. We had terrible unemployment, too. Why are conservatives so much into deficits now? The only reason is that is in their political talking points.

I think it is hilarious to see these high spending hypocrites start acting like fiscal conservatives. The only fiscal responsibility I remember was during the Clinton years when we handed GW and government surplus.

America will be great again. But we have to band together whatever our views on politics, rather than extreme name calling, how about real dialogue instead of political posturing?
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
America fail? I am really scared that so many people are falling for this doomsday scenario. Don't you remember Rush Limbaugh hoping Obama would fail? These lunatic fringe have been given too much airtime..because they took a page out of Mein Kampf, and realized that if you repeat something enough to the idiot masses, they will start to believe it. What else explains why low income people support the Republicans? What would make people vote against their own interests? What makes union workers vote for someone who would love to break all unions? What would make a senior on social security vote for someone who thinks social security is socialism? How about a little or a lot of FEAR repeated over and over by people they like and respect...I mean they have to be telling the truth, they are on Fox news right? Don't you know who really profits? Big Business. The NRA drummed up enough business to sell more guns this year than ever. I mean ask anyone what voting for GW did. Did he listen when he was warned about Osama bin Laden? Did he think about what would happen to a deeply divided country like Iraq after Saddam (the SECULAR leader who wasn't even Islamic or religious). Did he care about deficits? Then why didn't anyone else then? Because they didn't have someone TELLING them to is why.

Did he stop abortions? Did he give the little guy more money in his wallet?

Instead of trying to come up with things comparing Obama to a Marxist or Hitler, they need to see the other 4 fingers pointing back at them.

What is sad is that many Americans are being "USED" by Karl Rove and his Republican cronies. He knows they can't win without them. Look at the tea party people. They did a poll and 93% thought they paid more taxes last year, and in reality..anyone that made under 250,000 got a tax CUT. Plus when asked what they want to cut, they don't want to cut social security, medicare, and the military. Can't give up Police, firefighters, homeland security, teachers, federal inspections on food and toys. You can't cut deficits just by cleaning up government waste and pork spending! Where were these people 5 years ago when it came out that average Americans saw their incomes drop? Average Americans did not get tax cuts, it was wealthy people. That is why I don't understand tea party logic.

What is scary is there are too many talking heads spouting fear on TV (Glenn Beck) and the internet spreading this doomsday stuff. I get scared too when I only watch Fox news. Talk about unAmerican! Where are all these people that said we should support our President whether we agree or not? That is what I had to do when Bush was in office. If someone said anything negative about his policies we were called un Patriotic! What do you think these people are doing?

Don't you all remember that is how they got us to re-elect GW Bush using good old fear with their terror alerts going up right before elections?

They have tried to blame the new Administration for spending, but it is the Republican policies that made it necessary to spend our way out of the crisis. Every smart economist knows that you can't sit back and do nothing when a recession/depression hits. It is politically smart to capitalize on spending because most Americans don't know anything about economics.

People forget so quickly how Republicans have always been the ones spouting "DEFICITS DON"T MATTER" (Dick Cheny quote). Ronald Reagan ran up enormous deficits as well. I am old enough to remember in the 80s paying 12% interest on a housing loan. We had terrible unemployment, too. Why are conservatives so much into deficits now? The only reason is that is in their political talking points.

I think it is hilarious to see these high spending hypocrites start acting like fiscal conservatives. The only fiscal responsibility I remember was during the Clinton years when we handed GW and government surplus.

America will be great again. But we have to band together whatever our views on politics, rather than extreme name calling, how about real dialogue instead of political posturing?
WOW are you mixed up. First of all Limbaugh is NOT lunatic fringe, he is more mainstream and listened to by WAY more people than ANY other show in existence, PERIOD!! Low income people must be democrats? Did I understand you right? You think poor people should only be Democrats? Really? FWIW SOCIAL security IS A SOCIAL PROGRAM, why the hell do you thin they call it SOCIAL security?

The NRA DOES NOT SELL GUNS!!!!! Are you under the impression that they make a profit when guns are sold? You aren't very well informed are you?

A deeply divided country after Sadaam eh? You do know Sadaam was PUT IN POWER in 1968, WAY WAY WAY before Any Bush was President. So you go ahead and blame The former Pres for causing all the killing and strife in that country. While your at it maybe you can blame the Kuwaitis for having to much oil and causing Sadaam to be jealous to the point where he invaded the country.
Did he stop Abortions? WTF has that got to do with anything, he doesn't have the power to stop jack shit. Perhaps you have heard of Roe vs Wade, its a SUPREME court case that decided the law. Presidents do not get to change laws, or did you think they could?

He did give the little guy more money, or did you forget the $600 checks all single tax payers received? Or the bigger Checks if you were married and had kids.

It sounds to me like you think the gubbermint should just give money to people to help them survive, unfortunately you do not understand the very basics of monetary systems. If the gubbermint just gave the money away, the money would be worthless and would not be able to purchase ANYTHING!!!

Wow and im only on your third paragraph and you are just getting yourself deeper and deeper into ignorance, It is apparent you do not understand how the world works AT ALL, AT ALL, AT ALL. I paid more in taxes this year than last year, its a very simple procedure to look at last years and then compare to this years. I paid $700 more and i made less than 40K.

I think your main problem is that you watch TV and you believe what is said by the majority of the MSM. You do know TV is a Illusion, a Charade, a Circus to keep you entertained right? There is no truth on TV AT ALL.

The most effective way to clean up budgetary shortfalls is to STOP SPENDING. Do you really believe that by spending more we will grow our way out of the mess we are in? Really? If you were unemployed and had NO INCOME would you run out and start maxing out the credit cards and take out equity loans to "Grow" your way out of personal debt? Fuck NO!!!! You save and save and pay off your debts!!! Any moron would know that, unfortunately you might not qualify for that esteemed adjective.

Bush did not get elected because he scared us into voting for him. Thats a pile of horse shit if I ever read it. Bush cheated and defrauded his way to the presidency just like all the other presidents for the last 20 years have.

Interest rates and deficits have no correlation, why do you bring up your 12% home loan? It has NOTHING to do with the deficit and everything to do with controlling rampant inflation!! The unemployment situation was CAUSED by Carter, Reagan FIXED all that with high interest rates. He did spend like a MOFo though and I can agree with you tyhere, but America was a much different country then, We were #1 money lender, we Had no large deficit, Interest rates were high enough to keep the amounts borrowed somewhat reasonable, We had HUGE stores of commodities and were by far the richest nation on earth. All that has changed now.

You were right about one other thing. Most Americans don't know anything about economics and neither do you.
 

rampagen08

Active Member
WOW are you mixed up. First of all Limbaugh is NOT lunatic fringe, he is more mainstream and listened to by WAY more people than ANY other show in existence, PERIOD!! Low income people must be democrats? Did I understand you right? You think poor people should only be Democrats? Really? FWIW SOCIAL security IS A SOCIAL PROGRAM, why the hell do you thin they call it SOCIAL security?

The NRA DOES NOT SELL GUNS!!!!! Are you under the impression that they make a profit when guns are sold? You aren't very well informed are you?

A deeply divided country after Sadaam eh? You do know Sadaam was PUT IN POWER in 1968, WAY WAY WAY before Any Bush was President. So you go ahead and blame The former Pres for causing all the killing and strife in that country. While your at it maybe you can blame the Kuwaitis for having to much oil and causing Sadaam to be jealous to the point where he invaded the country.
Did he stop Abortions? WTF has that got to do with anything, he doesn't have the power to stop jack shit. Perhaps you have heard of Roe vs Wade, its a SUPREME court case that decided the law. Presidents do not get to change laws, or did you think they could?

He did give the little guy more money, or did you forget the $600 checks all single tax payers received? Or the bigger Checks if you were married and had kids.

It sounds to me like you think the gubbermint should just give money to people to help them survive, unfortunately you do not understand the very basics of monetary systems. If the gubbermint just gave the money away, the money would be worthless and would not be able to purchase ANYTHING!!!

Wow and im only on your third paragraph and you are just getting yourself deeper and deeper into ignorance, It is apparent you do not understand how the world works AT ALL, AT ALL, AT ALL. I paid more in taxes this year than last year, its a very simple procedure to look at last years and then compare to this years. I paid $700 more and i made less than 40K.

I think your main problem is that you watch TV and you believe what is said by the majority of the MSM. You do know TV is a Illusion, a Charade, a Circus to keep you entertained right? There is no truth on TV AT ALL.

The most effective way to clean up budgetary shortfalls is to STOP SPENDING. Do you really believe that by spending more we will grow our way out of the mess we are in? Really? If you were unemployed and had NO INCOME would you run out and start maxing out the credit cards and take out equity loans to "Grow" your way out of personal debt? Fuck NO!!!! You save and save and pay off your debts!!! Any moron would know that, unfortunately you might not qualify for that esteemed adjective.

Bush did not get elected because he scared us into voting for him. Thats a pile of horse shit if I ever read it. Bush cheated and defrauded his way to the presidency just like all the other presidents for the last 20 years have.

Interest rates and deficits have no correlation, why do you bring up your 12% home loan? It has NOTHING to do with the deficit and everything to do with controlling rampant inflation!! The unemployment situation was CAUSED by Carter, Reagan FIXED all that with high interest rates. He did spend like a MOFo though and I can agree with you tyhere, but America was a much different country then, We were #1 money lender, we Had no large deficit, Interest rates were high enough to keep the amounts borrowed somewhat reasonable, We had HUGE stores of commodities and were by far the richest nation on earth. All that has changed now.

You were right about one other thing. Most Americans don't know anything about economics and neither do you.
Oh but come on man, he looked up SOOO many big words to put into that speech! He talked about all the key points to get a non-educated persons attention, osama bin laden, abortion, saddam... man this guys new nick name is Fox News!
 

rampagen08

Active Member
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weed grows anywhere...
ever heard of panama red?
or himalayan gold?
thai stick?
or any of the millions of other strains from around the world over the course of humanity?
china used hemp/cannabis over 2000 years ago.
the only places where cannabis grows freely in the wild is in wisconsin and some other smaller states, we don't have massive outdoor crops here very much, they get burnt. other countries have plenty more then we do. + it's still illegal man.
 

mgw6191

Member
FluffyGrrrl is speaking my kind of language. Republican economic principles DO NOT WORK. Republicans favor the trickle down theory of economics in which which wealthier people (business owners) are given tax breaks aka (more money) in the hopes that they will reinvest their newfound money hopefully creating jobs and pushing the economy onward.

However there is one major problem with this. It plays directly into human nature! Not all wealthy people care about the health of the economy as a whole, they care about lining their own pockets! This economic theory does not help lower class people. Yet soo many low income people jump for things like the tea party movement which endorse the same economic theory that contributes to their hardships.

Rush Limbaugh and any other political loudmouth only cares about one thing. Their own ratings! How can they get there ratings up, by slinging half truths and manipulations to get peoples attention and scare them into believing.

I personally watched side by side videos in economics class this year. One of the Laura Tyson, chief economic adviser to bill clinton, the other of Rush limabaugh commenting on Dr. Tysons remarks. Both videos take place in 1994 and Dr. Tyson is commenting on future plans and expectations. Nearly all of the predictions she makes are accurate. One that stuck out to me was that she predicted significant problems with the deficit this decade, mostly due to rising costs of healthcare! Not only did Rush manipulate what Laura Tyson said to create his own false truths, but he explained economics which do not even make sense.

When it comes right down to it, who do you think knows more about economic policy,
Rush Limbaugh - college dropout
Dr. Laura Deandrea Tyson - Professor at Berkley and former chief economic adviser to Bill Clinton (a very successful president in terms of economics just not ethics haha)
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
FluffyGrrrl is speaking my kind of language. Republican economic principles DO NOT WORK. Republicans favor the trickle down theory of economics in which which wealthier people (business owners) are given tax breaks aka (more money) in the hopes that they will reinvest their newfound money hopefully creating jobs and pushing the economy onward.

However there is one major problem with this. It plays directly into human nature! Not all wealthy people care about the health of the economy as a whole, they care about lining their own pockets! This economic theory does not help lower class people. Yet soo many low income people jump for things like the tea party movement which endorse the same economic theory that contributes to their hardships.

Rush Limbaugh and any other political loudmouth only cares about one thing. Their own ratings! How can they get there ratings up, by slinging half truths and manipulations to get peoples attention and scare them into believing.

I personally watched side by side videos in economics class this year. One of the Laura Tyson, chief economic adviser to bill clinton, the other of Rush limabaugh commenting on Dr. Tysons remarks. Both videos take place in 1994 and Dr. Tyson is commenting on future plans and expectations. Nearly all of the predictions she makes are accurate. One that stuck out to me was that she predicted significant problems with the deficit this decade, mostly due to rising costs of healthcare! Not only did Rush manipulate what Laura Tyson said to create his own false truths, but he explained economics which do not even make sense.

When it comes right down to it, who do you think knows more about economic policy,
Rush Limbaugh - college dropout
Dr. Laura Deandrea Tyson - Professor at Berkley and former chief economic adviser to Bill Clinton (a very successful president in terms of economics just not ethics haha)

I can make more sense of the economy than either of them.
[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Today after all those years of monkeying around with "new education" liberal ideas about everything from PC, to being green to you name it, where are we? The most broke nation the planet ever saw. Our prisons filled to overflowing. Our court system clogged to the brim with frivolous lawsuits as everyone tries to get something for nothing. Our dollar is worth a nickle. Crime is rampant. Unwed mothers abound. 30% of our kids have some form of ADD, or what have you. The average person pays more for insurances in a year, than people paid for rent for the entire year. Shall I go on? No, I won't. But you understand where I'm coming from. We have allowed our incredible nation to slip and slide into something that wouldn't have even been recognizable just 50 years ago. Was this progress???? [/FONT]Let me make a few predictions and we will come back to it in the future and see how many came true OK?

[FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]1) Yes we are going to slide into depression, fairly deep depression.
2) gold will run to 1500, then to 2500.
3) we will be in another war.
4) the DOW will trade below 5000 probably hitting 4500
5) Hyper inflation will come and interest rates will top 12%.
6) unemployment will continue higher, with 15% officially and 25% unofficially.
7) One of the major banks will fail
8) The FED will be audited, and the findings will spur even deeper cries for wider audits, and their disbandment
9) The FDIC will declare itself insolvent
10) 2200 small banks will fail.
11) More Foreign nations will default on their sovereign debt
12) Trade wars will develop
13) after a brief rally the dollar will continue to fall.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Yes indeed we're going to not only fall into deeper recession, we're going into a big depression. Right now 75% of all the economic activity we see is Government printed money sloshing around the world. If printing money really worked, don't you think the Greeks, Romans, etc would have tried it? Don't you think that all the kings of England would have done it and made it work? The fact is it doesn't work. It makes things feel better before they get horribly worse again. Right now we're a zombie economy, kept alive by the juice of cheap plentiful money. But can that go on forever? No, ask Weimar Germany. Ask Argentina or Zimbabwe. Even if done on a global scale such as we see now, the game finally comes to an end. The PROBLEM is picking the exact timing of the end. That's a hard one. [/FONT]
 

ugmjfarmer

Well-Known Member
1) Yes we are going to slide into depression, fairly deep depression.
2) gold will run to 1500, then to 2500.
3) we will be in another war.
4) the DOW will trade below 5000 probably hitting 4500
5) Hyper inflation will come and interest rates will top 12%.
6) unemployment will continue higher, with 15% officially and 25% unofficially.
7) One of the major banks will fail
8 )The FED will be audited, and the findings will spur even deeper cries for wider audits, and their disbandment
9) The FDIC will declare itself insolvent
10) 2200 small banks will fail.
11) More Foreign nations will default on their sovereign debt
12) Trade wars will develop
13) after a brief rally the dollar will continue to fall.
1) The problem will exceed terms like depression or deep depression. This is a complete malfunction of all government debt worldwide, this is not some downturn caused by Keynesian economics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

Both the republican and democratic parties are Keynsians taking us down the same road. They just like to pit us against each other by tugging at our own moral values and compasses. The fact is that they are both complicit in this problem, working with other world leaders to bring about this crash before the dawn of Aquarius.

2) Gold is tricky. The pricing structure now is based on fake dollars and a failed system of trade. Here is what I can tell you about Gold, It has decoupled from the Dollar. On days when the dollar goes down, Gold has remained steady indicating trade manipulation. If you go to gold sellers (big ones not some black guy on the corner) they are offering over spot prices. They are paying more than market for physical to sell to people. Umm..

www.kingworldnews.com has released some insider trader information about the gold/silver markets from a Chase whistle blower. This situation is waiting to explode bigger than you say. The only thing holding Gold down is price manipulation, period.

I'd say.. if you had to base it in US dollars, you are looking at 100x the price in 1980 factoring in inflation since that time.

3) War ships are on their way. Let me remind everybody that China has recently attacked US warships, Korea is going to go back on the cease fire with full USA approval, Iran is wanting to provoke tensions and has called for all groups with agendas against Israel to close them this year, and Obama is being quite standoffish with Israel, no comments on them too touchy :)

4) The Dow is pointless as an economic meter any longer, but in case you were wondering it will fight 10,000 support for a while and a time, but it will then test 8,000 and will never return. 4,500's are probable numbers for the fall, even if its for a second. You know how that works... today it was testing 8,000's.

5) Hyperinflation will come? You have some MESSED up definitions of inflation then. Our dollar has lost 1000% of its value since 1935. 1000%. That penny in 1947 is now worth the same a Dollar. Hyper inflation is here, but people will really start to notice when prices are starting to change weekly. Right now, they are going up monthly on some commodities such as food. Have you started planting your VEGETABLE GARDENS YET? Food might cost 200% higher in fall. How many meals does that cut out of your budget?

6) Unemployment based on old time calculation is at 25%. Your numbers are off. But if you want to use the official US calculations that they use now, sure your numbers sound ok. But I'd say that they will find a way to change the way the numbers are presented before it hits a double digit number on the official U3.

7) Yes. Its called the Federal Reserve.:blsmoke:
The age of sovereign central banks is coming to a close, the IMF will be taking over from here most likely.

8 )The Federal Reserve proposals to audit the fed are being produced by Freemasons. The Federal Reserve is run by Freemasons. I don't see how this will work or produce revolution or results other than lies, but that is how this Freemason country works. Go ahead and buy the sales pitch that this country will be returned to any constitutional bounds.. they are selling it to you well Alex, Paul, and the mainstream media all are selling it well. Too bad I'm not so gullible.

9) Yeah.. They do not have the money to cover the 775 banks that were just listed as potential problem banks. Most of these banks are failing because of a new financial crisis which is a sideshoot from the consumer mortgages. As consumer spending plummets, business loans are now failing. They are bigger tan anything out there.. this is big fire fuel.

10) It will stop before then.. once the bank failures become big news all the time, there will be consolidations in the banking industry to create larger more powerful banks. This is in line with the IMF taking over the banking industry.

11) Portugal, Spain, Ukraine, Greece, Lithuania, Ireland, United Kingdom and with it the Euro.

12) Trade wars have been going on since the end of World War II. (at a minimum) Remember the rule of law governs the conduct of nations now.

13) Historically the dollar has been price linked to Gold. This is no longer the case. The dollar rally is not going to happen like you think.. there is not many more buy opportunities for you to close out your positions in cash.

13 points huh?

Lets add to that:

The health care bill passed a law that requires all businesses to send 1099 tax forms to every company or individual from which they purchased more than $600 in services and goods throughout the tax year, beginning on January 1, 2012. That could easily include us just as quickly as they penned this one and slipped it into some "health care" bill that you thought you wanted/needed.

I have included a chart that I found quite shocking. Its simple to explain. The chart below was taken from http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2010/03/most-important-chart-of-century.html and they called it the "Economic Chart of the Century. I will quote them on the explanation:

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"What follows is the most important chart of your lifetime. It relegates almost all modern economists and economic theory to the dustbin of history. Any economic theory, formula, or relationship that does not consider this non-linear relationship of DEBT and phase transition is destined to fail.

Back in the early 1960s a dollar of new debt added almost a dollar to the nation output of goods and services. As more debt enters the system the productivity gained by new debt diminishes. This produced a path that was following a diminishing line targeting ZERO in the year 2015. This meant that we could expect that each new dollar of debt added in the year 2015 would add NOTHING to our productivity.

Then a funny thing happened along the way. Macroeconomic DEBT SATURATION occurred causing a phase transition with our debt relationship. This is because total income can no longer support total debt. In the third quarter of 2009 each dollar of debt added produced NEGATIVE 15 cents of productivity, and at the end of 2009, each dollar of new debt now SUBTRACTS 45 cents from GDP!"

We are running out of time to prepare for the disasters that follow. If Greece is any indication that things could get ugly here.. hows this for some news?

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

The Army's Consequence Management Response Force, 80,000 troops that "may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack."

Greece style baby.


and now the fine print: I am not a scholar, prophet or anything spectacular. I am probably not predicting anything realistic. I am simply basing my information on articles that I have read based on trends forecasters and economic/political writers have written. I have used a broad open minded view from everybody to conclude the above conclusions. Some of this is based on information that might be deemed "occult" or "esoteric". While i'm on the subject all predictions that are right are just by chance, and if you dont agree please remember that i'm probably wrong anyways so lets just smoke a big joint of purp urk and chill.


 

oldskoolf

Member
well that was one hell of a read

im not very clued on politics if im honest, and i fully admit that i have leanings towards agreeing with many so called conspiracy theories, mainly as i like others look hard read a lot and make up my own mind on what i believe and dont believe

i watch very little tv so escape most the crap thats going on in this world

not sure what i can add to this thread, but some peoples comments have been pathetic to say the least, everyman should be entitled to his oppinion but in reality are we??? in private yes we can think what we want but do we voice our oppinons where it matters??? no we dont, why? because we have no access to anyone who could truely make a difference in this world, if indeed anyone can ??

the world we live in is built on greed and a lust for power that will never be stopped by us the comman man, its inevitable that one day the shit will hit the fan, guess what that times now and theres nothing at all me you or anyone else can do to stop the power hungry world leaders

the us will fall just like the uk will fall just like all mankind will fall because we are incapable of becoming one unified nation, they made sure of this thru many generations of breeding

the elite will survive in there hidden fortresses believing they are supreme beings and more worthy of wealth than us mere peasants who only pawns in there games


accept the facts, whether your american,british or any other nationality you have no say in anything and you never have had

the world is doomed i have no fear of it ending because its unstoppable what can we do?? nothing

enjoy while you still can because the end is nearing for everything we know and love

if anyone manages to survive life will be much worse than we have ever seen so far

i dont honestly think there is a longterm solution for this world we live in
forget thinking about your own country this problem is global and no one man or country is capable of resolving global issues


right thats me done i may ghave just talked total bull im not gonna re read what i typed :blsmoke::joint:

final thought jerry style lol

the world can not survive unless all men join as one

no not men of power/greed but real man you, me everybody

not likely is it, and power breeds greed and vice versa so there may be no possible solution we are far toooo gone i think

back to my papers i need a smoke now
 
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