Why are they closing dispensaries?

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bob harris

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ozzrokk said:
Wrong. They went after dispensaries because they do not want this law and
they do not care what the majority of the state wanted and voted for. They
will do everything they can to disrupt this law and the FULL IMPLEMENTATION
of the LAW. You see what you law enforcement and politicians do not realize is that
IT IS THE LAW wether you like it or not. And it will be FULLY IMPLEMENTED
one day. You see alot is said about all the people that have cards and that go to dispensaries
about how they don't look like they need it. But I do not hear or see arguments about
ammendments to the law to make sure people are legitamily getting cards. Instead I see
everything is about making sure it is near impossible for ANYONE to use the law.
The OP is one to believe that if you do not look like they want you to look. Well
then even though you are sick You simply don't matter.
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Of course..would you expect different?

When any law is enacted, it is usually restricted, and controls put in place, before it is expanded.

That's done to stop the profiteering and abuses.To make the law work in a socially accepted manner.

Do you suggest an "anything goes" approach?

And there is a bill currently circulating to define Doctor patient relationships as they apply to issuance of cards.

It's a complex issue. My doctor for example..a well known Neurologist, at the largest Parkinson's specific facility in Michigan, is an advocate of cannabis for Parkinson's. He can not however, endorse use, as far as signing an application for a card, because of the rules of the facility that he works for.

That makes Doctors willing to sign apps necessary.

The issue is in holding the doctors willing and able to sign apps accountable for actually establishing a valid condition, before approving apps.

In practice, the Doctors willing to approve apps...approve for anything..they are simply profiteering, selling approvals, not objectively evaluation medical needs.

Hence the catch 22 problem..which is being address by law makers.
 
ozzrokk

ozzrokk

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bob harris said:
Beagle said:
If you could, hypothetically, start your own dispensary...how would you run it? Tell me your model for dispensaries.

I'd open a small, discreet store front. location would not be critical. People needing meds will find you..
There would be no indication of cannabis on the exterior. Just the name..and the name would be simple and discreet.
I'd have a reception area..just like a Doctors office, and, after checking paperwork and identifying the patient as legal, direct them to another consultation room.

That room would be small..no meds on display, and manned by someone that could intelligently talk to the patient about their needs.
After discussing needs, samples that would be best for relief would be brought out for the patient to inspect.
The samples would be labeled with the cannabanoid breakdowns, supplied by a lab.
The patient chooses, based on cannabanoid content, smell, appareance.

The transfer takes place, based upon the patients choice.

The patient leaves...

No "smoking room"
Employees wearing business casual.

You'd need at least one employee with cg status and max patient count, and have only enough meds on hand to be coverd by that card.

If more meds are needed throughout the day, a phone call is made, and more meds brought to the location. (like they do it in Amsterdam)

That's a simple quick description. it would allow for transfer of meds, while maintaining a professional, discreet appearance.

A full business plan would be much more detailed..but that's a start.
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Then you would demand that they do ALL of that but would not be allowed to make any money off of it.

Is that correct?

You see the idea is nice but

Ahh fuckit Murfy said it best

Get the FUCK off of our porch BITCH.......
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ozzrokk

ozzrokk

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No I do not expect or want an anything goes approach. But I do expect that people be allowed access to
their medicine.
 
Beagle

Beagle

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bob harris said:
Beagle said:
If you could, hypothetically, start your own dispensary...how would you run it? Tell me your model for dispensaries.

I'd open a small, discreet store front. location would not be critical. People needing meds will find you..
There would be no indication of cannabis on the exterior. Just the name..and the name would be simple and discreet.
I'd have a reception area..just like a Doctors office, and, after checking paperwork and identifying the patient as legal, direct them to another consultation room.

That room would be small..no meds on display, and manned by someone that could intelligently talk to the patient about their needs.
After discussing needs, samples that would be best for relief would be brought out for the patient to inspect.
The samples would be labeled with the cannabanoid breakdowns, supplied by a lab.
The patient chooses, based on cannabanoid content, smell, appareance.

The transfer takes place, based upon the patients choice.

The patient leaves...

No "smoking room"
Employees wearing business casual.

You'd need at least one employee with cg status and max patient count, and have only enough meds on hand to be coverd by that card.

If more meds are needed throughout the day, a phone call is made, and more meds brought to the location. (like they do it in Amsterdam)

That's a simple quick description. it would allow for transfer of meds, while maintaining a professional, discreet appearance.

A full business plan would be much more detailed..but that's a start.
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I think all strains from each provider/source should be tested once per harvest to insure quality and safety. Vaporizers, Medibles, Tincture drops, Extract Pills, Laced drinks, Butter, and Hash should be recommended over offering Buds to smoke. Maybe even recommend blending butter from 2 or more different strains to better treat the patients condition.

Once a patient agrees that what they're getting successfully treats their condition, deliveries may become an option.
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bob harris

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ozzrokk said:
bob harris said:
Then you would demand that they do ALL of that but would not be allowed to make any money off of it.



Is that correct?

You see the idea is nice but

Ahh fuckit Murfy said it best

Get the FUCK off of our porch BITCH.......
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Not at all.
We are talking about a small business..minimal employees, minimal overhead. A very good living could be earned.

The business doesn't manufacture, they have no need for warehousing, or large square foot facilities,, they simply dispense..in a simple manner.
You think that's a high overhead operation? It's a simple operation to run..with very low overhead, and ample profit margins available.

What exactly, would you like to see?

Please..got more than get the Fuck off our porch? Got a counter proposal..improvements?
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bob harris

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Beagle said:
bob harris said:
I think all strains from each provider/source should be tested once per harvest to insure quality and safety. Vaporizers, Medibles, Tincture drops, Extract Pills, Laced drinks, Butter, and Hash should be recommended over offering Buds to smoke. Maybe even recommend blending butter from 2 or more different strains to better treat the patients condition.

Once a patient agrees that what they're getting successfully treats their condition, deliveries may become an option.
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Thanks..good input.
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BA142

BA142

Well-Known Member
bob harris said:
Beagle said:
If you could, hypothetically, start your own dispensary...how would you run it? Tell me your model for dispensaries.

I'd open a small, discreet store front. location would not be critical. People needing meds will find you..
There would be no indication of cannabis on the exterior. Just the name..and the name would be simple and discreet.
I'd have a reception area..just like a Doctors office, and, after checking paperwork and identifying the patient as legal, direct them to another consultation room.

That room would be small..no meds on display, and manned by someone that could intelligently talk to the patient about their needs.
After discussing needs, samples that would be best for relief would be brought out for the patient to inspect.
The samples would be labeled with the cannabanoid breakdowns, supplied by a lab.
The patient chooses, based on cannabanoid content, smell, appareance.

The transfer takes place, based upon the patients choice.

The patient leaves...

No "smoking room"
Employees wearing business casual.

You'd need at least one employee with cg status and max patient count, and have only enough meds on hand to be coverd by that card.

If more meds are needed throughout the day, a phone call is made, and more meds brought to the location. (like they do it in Amsterdam)

That's a simple quick description. it would allow for transfer of meds, while maintaining a professional, discreet appearance.

A full business plan would be much more detailed..but that's a start.
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That's pretty much how the collective's in WA are. At least the ones I frequent. Before you tell me that i'm "abusing" the system, I have a pretty bad case of Ulcerative Colitis. MMJ is a godsend for me. I swear if the people abusing the laws get this taken away i'll be real pissed off
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bob harris

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BA142 said:
bob harris said:
That's pretty much how the collective's in WA are. At least the ones I frequent. Before you tell me that i'm "abusing" the system, I have a pretty bad case of Ulcerative Colitis. MMJ is a godsend for me. I swear if the people abusing the laws get this taken away i'll be real pissed off
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I don't accuse anyone of abusing the law, unless they make an ignorant, self serving statement.

And I feel the same way..I'm pissed that those that are abusing the law, will eventually get the rights I've been given revoked.
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gotigers0420

Active Member
ozzrokk said:
bob harris said:
Then you would demand that they do ALL of that but would not be allowed to make any money off of it.

Is that correct?


You see the idea is nice but

Ahh fuckit Murfy said it best

Get the FUCK off of our porch BITCH.......
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You cant even try to have a conversation with Bob. In an effoert to make himself look witty and intelligent, he will come back hours later and completely change his original post. Lame attempt to look educated and well versed, because the rest of us are just a bunch of ignorant potheads, (if you read between his lines). Just give it up Bob. Watch the news man, 50% of Americans believe cannibas should be legalized and 75% of us, want you to quit talking.
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bob harris

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gotigers0420 said:
ozzrokk said:
You cant even try to have a conversation with Bob. In an effoert to make himself look witty and intelligent, he will come back hours later and completely change his original post. Lame attempt to look educated and well versed, because the rest of us are just a bunch of ignorant potheads, (if you read between his lines). Just give it up Bob. Watch the news man, 50% of Americans believe cannibas should be legalized and 75% of us, want you to quit talking.
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To the contrary..there are many good posts that I acknowledge. In this thread there has been a post from WA, saying how they run dispensaries, their have been opinions place on whether medical cannabis should be tested before being sold..positive stuff.

I'm a pain when you say 50% of Americans want cannabis legalized..I agree with that..but it has nothing to do with medical laws, or dispensaries.
And that argument belongs in the "legalization" forum...it's right on the home page.
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ozzrokk

ozzrokk

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gotigers0420 said:
ozzrokk said:
You cant even try to have a conversation with Bob. In an effoert to make himself look witty and intelligent, he will come back hours later and completely change his original post. Lame attempt to look educated and well versed, because the rest of us are just a bunch of ignorant potheads, (if you read between his lines). Just give it up Bob. Watch the news man, 50% of Americans believe cannibas should be legalized and 75% of us, want you to quit talking.
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Yep I have already seen it.......
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bob harris

Well-Known Member
ozzrokk said:
No I do not expect or want an anything goes approach. But I do expect that people be allowed access to
their medicine.
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As do I. But when I post a thought on what a proper dispensary might look like...you add nothing constructive..and jump to a you don't want any one to make money rebuttal.

I never said that I don't want anyone to make money. I have said that I would like to see them make reasonable profit for time and effort all along.

You simply can not discuss rational things.
 
Murfy

Murfy

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too bad-
you lose.

this is what i said months ago. maybe bob isn't acop. disgruntled guerrilla grower with 300 pounds you can't make go away, bob?

the current disp model is anarchy.

bob, i specifically directed the question to you. how DOES the corn get to market. please do the research and get back to us.
in the end, disp's are pitting growers against each other. if we as growers boycotted these parsonages, and left them to provide their own meds, through their own storefront, they wouldn't exist, as they do. they would have to compete with the farmers, without the storefront. their grams would still be 15, while the farmer deals directly witht the market, and sell for 5-8 a gram, which would earn reasonable wage for the good grower, and room for middle class wage for the the devout grower.

the disp's would still operate(filling a much needed vacuum), but competition would be rampant. forcing disp's to streamline, and operate within a tolerable allowance.
 
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bob harris

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Murfy said:
too bad-
you lose.

this is what i said months ago. maybe bob isn't acop. disgruntled guerrilla grower with 300 pounds you can't make go away, bob?

the current disp model is anarchy.

bob, i specifically directed the question to you. how DOES the corn get to market. please do the research and get back to us.
in the end, disp's are pitting growers against each other. if we as growers boycotted these parsonages, and left them to provide their own meds, through their own storefront, they wouldn't exist, as they do. they would have to compete with the farmers, without the storefront. their grams would still be 15, while the farmer deals directly witht the market, and sell for 5-8 a gram, which would earn reasonable wage for the good grower, and room for middle class wage for the the devout grower.

the disp's would still operate(filling a much needed vacuum), but competition would be rampant. forcing disp's to streamline, and operate within a tolerable allowance.
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Murph...you like to talk in code.I can't quite figure out what ya mean by how does corn get to market...ask a direct, well formatted question..I'll be happy to answer.

As far as Michigan and cannabis, there is plenty of reasonable profit to be made by both growers and dispensaries. The problem is that the actions of the growers and dispensaries is exactly what's getting them shut down.
 
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