Why do Bernie Babies deny helping Trump get elected?

see4

see4

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ttystikk said:
Then why not hold the Democratic Party to the same standard?
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Then why not hold Bernie accountable? He's not a Democrat. Why can't he and his supports concede that he joined the Democratic Party only to disrupt it. He had a choice, he could have run as a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent, a Libertarian, a Green Party, a fucking Wig for all I care. He chose the Democratic Party, and he lost. You don't care that he did that, then I don't care that the DNC may or may not have made it harder for him to win.

Accountability, awesome concept until YOU have to realize it. Amirite?
 
see4

see4

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Padawanbater2 said:
No you're not. You're begging for an argument because you want the attention.

Jon Jones also just beat Daniel Cormier, and he was popped for using PEDs afterwards..

Guess who's champion?

Your political semantics amount to nonsense. "She won a rigged primary by THIS MUCH!!!" - meaningless
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What? Make sense dude. Please.

Jon Jones cheated. Sample A and sample B both came back positive. That was proven. Undeniable.

A judge just dismissed a class action lawsuit because she could not find substantial evidence to move forward with a case.

In a rational person's mind, they would conclude there might have been some shenanigans but no illegal activity.

Remember, Bernie chose to act as Democrat for this last election, starting 2015. Hillary has been a Democrat since before you were born.

Cute, you amount my argument, based in fact, to nonsense, but your diatribe of completely unsupported claims is totally sound. Want me to copy-paste a troll face? Or do you get where I'm going with this?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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see4 said:
Then why not hold Bernie accountable? He's not a Democrat. Why can't he and his supports concede that he joined the Democratic Party only to disrupt it.
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Well, because that would require evidence. So, what evidence do you have to show that Sanders joined the Democratic party "only to disrupt it"?

Are you one of the types that believes Sanders was some kind of Soviet agent Manchurian candidate who spent his entire political career fighting for the exact same issues only to be activated when Hillary Clinton spontaneously decided to run for president?

That sure is some conspiracy...
see4 said:
He had a choice, he could have run as a Democrat, a Republican, an Independent, a Libertarian, a Green Party, a fucking Wig for all I care. He chose the Democratic Party, and he lost. You don't care that he did that, then I don't care that the DNC may or may not have made it harder for him to win.
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Hillary Clinton chose to campaign as a Democrat and lost? :dunce:
see4 said:
Accountability, awesome concept until YOU have to realize it. Amirite?
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Lmao

Apparently!
 
see4

see4

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Padawanbater2 said:
Well, because that would require evidence. So, what evidence do you have to show that Sanders joined the Democratic party "only to disrupt it"?

Are you one of the types that believes Sanders was some kind of Soviet agent Manchurian candidate who spent his entire political career fighting for the exact same issues only to be activated when Hillary Clinton spontaneously decided to run for president?

That sure is some conspiracy...

Hillary Clinton chose to campaign as a Democrat and lost? :dunce:

Lmao

Apparently!
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Your reading comprehension has failed you hard kid. Go to bed. You are in over your head.

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His entire political career he was an Independent or a Liberty Union (whatever the fuck that is) -- until he decided to join the Democratic Party which only had one candidate, Hillary Clinton. Tell me how that was not to disrupt the DNC? Are you not understanding the word disrupt?
 
abandonconflict

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ttystikk said:
Your one note tune is flat and has been discredited.

At what point are you going to get over the last election and move on the the next one?
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Noted on how you feel about some one calling out a racist who is glad Trump is president.

That will be the reason Sanders loses even more miserably next time he wastes our time.
 
see4

see4

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ttystikk said:
Then why not hold the Democratic Party to the same standard?
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I hold every politician to that standard. I'm glad DWS stepped down. That sort of private email discussion should never have taken place. Even with that said, there is not provable direct correlation between that email and Bernie's loss. He lost by a wide fuckin' margin. Not a few thousand votes. The "cheating" was not provably pervasive. If it was, I'd be agreeing with you, and there would be cause for a class action lawsuit, because it would be quantifiable.

I'm on board with having Bernie run again. Cool! Great! Fantastic! Let's do it! But run as what he is, an Independent.

Or better yet... lets get anyone other than a Republican into office and start making strides to reversing Citizens United and focus on removing gerrymandering laws. Then when that's all done, then get Bernie back in the race... as an Independent. Because, ya know.. that's what he is, not a Democrat.
 
abandonconflict

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see4 said:
I hold every politician to that standard. I'm glad DWS stepped down. That sort of private email discussion should never have taken place. Even with that said, there is not provable direct correlation between that email and Bernie's loss. He lost by a wide fuckin' margin. Not a few thousand votes. The "cheating" was not provably pervasive. If it was, I'd be agreeing with you, and there would be cause for a class action lawsuit, because it would be quantifiable.

I'm on board with having Bernie run again. Cool! Great! Fantastic! Let's do it! But run as what he is, an Independent.

Or better yet... lets get anyone other than a Republican into office and start making strides to reversing Citizens United and focus on removing gerrymandering laws. Then when that's all done, then get Bernie back in the race... as an Independent. Because, ya know.. that's what he is, not a Democrat.
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You should check out the critiques of Bernard by leftists. These mouthbreathers don't get how deeply unpopular he really is.
 
see4

see4

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abandonconflict said:
You should check out the critiques of Bernard by leftists. These mouthbreathers don't get how deeply unpopular he really is.
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I know he's not a viable candidate. I knew that since he came "to the scene", I reviewed his voting record and I listened to his speeches. He has some cool ideas, but he's a disruptor. That's all he is. -- He disrupted the DNC and got face fucked by 3.7 million votes. And now his supporters can't stop crying about it, perpetuating results like a Trump presidency. And they are too Bern'd out to comprehend that idea.
 
see4

see4

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Padawanbater2 said:
What about Jim Webb and Martin O'Malley?
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Jim Webb
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He's a fucking Republican. A disruptor.

Poor ole' Marty never had a chance.

I intentionally omitted them because they had no real shot.

Jill Stein, who ran as a Green Party candidate, got far more votes than either of those two.

Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing and will never concede. That's cool bro, do your thing. Keep thinking to yourself you didn't help get Trump elected.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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see4 said:
Perfect! Then lets have him run as an Independent in 2020.
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Like I told you before, 3rd party candidates are at an inherent disadvantage. Your insistence for Sanders to run as a 3rd party candidate signals that your party/candidate is weak. Weak enough to lose to the Republican, which is embarrassing.

You want progressives to run as Independents because you know it's much harder for Independents to win national elections. You don't want strong Independent candidates to win elections because they threaten the corporate Democrats you support. You don't want fair playing fields or unbiased or equal elections because you know, based on policy positions and ideas, you would lose. You need these handicaps to remain competitive. Same as Republicans.
 
see4

see4

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Padawanbater2 said:
Like I told you before, 3rd party candidates are at an inherent disadvantage. Your insistence for Sanders to run as a 3rd party candidate signals that your party/candidate is weak. Weak enough to lose to the Republican, which is embarrassing.
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lol. Umad, and very butthurt. You're a cake and eat it too sort of person, very childish.

Padawanbater2 said:
You want progressives to run as Independents because you know it's much harder for Independents to win national elections.
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You literally just said that Bernie is the most popular politician in the US. Would you like me to quote you?

Padawanbater2 said:
You don't want strong Independent candidates to win elections because they threaten the corporate Democrats you support. You don't want fair playing fields or unbiased or equal elections because you know, based on policy positions and ideas, you would lose. You need these handicaps to remain competitive. Same as Republicans.
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What is he? Is he Independent or is he a Democrat? Why not Republican? Why not have Bernie run as a Republican?

Padawanbater2 said:
You need these handicaps to remain competitive.
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You have very poor reading comprehension skills. Seriously. I've stated and repeated on several occasions this evening that I want to take away all advantages for any candidates.

Hillary received more votes than Bernie by 3.7 million, and received more votes than Trump by 3 million. -- If "handicaps" weren't put in place, Hillary would be POTUS right now and we'd be on our way to reversing Citizen's United. -- But because Berniebaby Bernouts have been crying since the primaries, they allowed Trump to take office, ruining any chance for a reversal, and any chance of a fair election in the near future.

You can't honestly be this fucking stupid, can you?
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Padawanbater2 said:
8% of the Democratic party oppose Sanders (that's you), he's the most popular politician in the US

You are delusional :eyesmoke:
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You can lie and call me a Democrat if it makes you feel better about me telling the truth about you being a racist who thinks that more is expected of you because you're a white guy.

Being popular in the US is not exactly a thing to be proud of even if it is true, which it is not. Some poll you keep citing to call me delusional...

The primary election showed how deeply unpopular he is. Have you considered suicide? It seems a good option for a men's rights activist like you.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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see4 said:
And just to note, Hillary beat Bernie by more than 3,700,000 votes. If Bernie lost because Hillary "cheated", that would be a much narrower margin.

If you can prove she cheated, then you can quantify it. Please... pretty please with sugar on top, quantify it, and prove me wrong. I'm begging you.
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The judge that dismissed the case said " the DNC used resources and surreptitious methods to support Clinton over Sanders".

The DNC did not even attempt to defend the allegation that they showed favoritism towards Clinton. They argued that the DNC can run primaries however they chose, and there is nothing legally binding that forces them to remain neutral.

In other words, the case (which sought monetary damages for donations made to Sanders and the DNC by the plaintiffs) was dismissed on a legal basis, not because the claim that the DNC showed favoritism was without merit.


http://sunshinestatenews.com/story/wasserman-schultz-dnc-rigged-primary-judge-dismisses-fraud-lawsuit

https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schulz-rigged-primaries-against-sanders/amp/
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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see4 said:
I know he's not a viable candidate. I knew that since he came "to the scene", I reviewed his voting record and I listened to his speeches.
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You reviewed his voting record and listened to his speeches, and yet you were clearly oblivious to the fact that one of the main points of his platform was to overturn Citizens United and enact campaign finance reform?

So, you're saying that you lack the ability to comprehend things?
 
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