Why Hydroponic chemical is worth more then Organic!

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PurpleBuz

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SpicySativa said:
Well that blows away the original posters premise and arguement, but what I said is still true...
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not true, actually the opposite, 90% of the mmj "organics" being sold are not organically certified. Many are posers and its really hard to determine which are really worthwhile and which are snake oil, especially when they fail to disclose analysis. Historically synthetic fertilizers have been subject to strict labeling requirements and complete analysis while natural based fertilizers have not.

Cow Manure from a pasture that has a naturally high level of toxic heavy Metals could be considered organic ....
 
SpicySativa

SpicySativa

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It's up to the individual whether their "Organic" grows use certified ingredients. I choose to use ingredients that are certified.

Outdoors especially, I feel strongly that organic (or at least natural) is the right thing to do for our planet... If we all grew organically, there wouldn't be dogs dying because they swam in contaminated creeks...
 
hexthat

hexthat

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When I grow organic everything is OMRI listed and RO water, when i grow Chemical its GH, RO water, and superthrive.

Not all organics are the same and not all chemicals are the same. I think GH and superthrive produces more potent buds, compared to the organic weed I have grown and the organic weed I have tried from others.
 
ReefBongwell

ReefBongwell

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SpicySativa said:
For someone who's tired of it, you sure spend a lot of your time bickering about it. Every time I have posted my OPINION about why I prefer Organics (primarily a result of my upbringing, education and profession), you're there like clockwork starting the flame war.

Funny how that works. You just love hating organics for some reason. Have fun with that...
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Hydro and organic can both be done well. It's personal preference. Personally, I've never had hydro buds that tasted as good as the organic soil buds I've grown. Perhaps that's just shitty hydro growers in my area. In that case, perhaps you've never had better organic because the organic growers in your area are shitty.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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SpicySativa said:
For someone who's tired of it, you sure spend a lot of your time bickering about it. Every time I have posted my OPINION about why I prefer Organics (primarily a result of my upbringing, education and profession), you're there like clockwork starting the flame war.

Funny how that works. You just love hating organics for some reason. Have fun with that...
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here:finger:...have fun with that
 
Kite High

Kite High

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SpicySativa said:
It's up to the individual whether their "Organic" grows use certified ingredients. I choose to use ingredients that are certified.

Outdoors especially, I feel strongly that organic (or at least natural) is the right thing to do for our planet... If we all grew organically, there wouldn't be dogs dying because they swam in contaminated creeks...
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no just billions of people would starve. But that's better right?
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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ReefBongwell said:
Hydro and organic can both be done well. It's personal preference. Personally, I've never had hydro buds that tasted as good as the organic soil buds I've grown. Perhaps that's just shitty hydro growers in my area. In that case, perhaps you've never had better organic because the organic growers in your area are shitty.
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The problem is that most hyrdo growers are under the impression that they way to grow good bud is to indiscriminately pump your plants full of as much bullshit as possible. It's really not a good mentality to be in when growing hydro.

Organics are more forgiving. It's pretty difficult to screw it up. Hydro is much easier to screw up. But if you do it correctly you can easily out yield organics and produce top notch flavor.
 
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Mithrandir420

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In hydro if I do screw up, recovery is pretty simple and quick. If I screw up a nute solution I can dump it, flush, and refill with correct solution and we're pretty much good to go with a few days recovery time.
 
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PurpleBuz

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Dan Kone said:
The problem is that most hyrdo growers are under the impression that they way to grow good bud is to indiscriminately pump your plants full of as much bullshit as possible. It's really not a good mentality to be in when growing hydro.

Organics are more forgiving. It's pretty difficult to screw it up. Hydro is much easier to screw up. But if you do it correctly you can easily out yield organics and produce top notch flavor.
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Probably true, but anybody really skilled in hydro knows that less is more and the key is availability (nutes always available for plant uptake).
 
curious2garden

curious2garden

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Mithrandir420 said:
In hydro if I do screw up, recovery is pretty simple and quick. If I screw up a nute solution I can dump it, flush, and refill with correct solution and we're pretty much good to go with a few days recovery time.
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This is precisely why my very first grow was done in an NFT chamber. It was quick and easy to make any corrections and there were quite a few corrections in the beginning.

Dan Kone said:
The problem is that most hyrdo growers are under the impression that they way to grow good bud is to indiscriminately pump your plants full of as much bullshit as possible. It's really not a good mentality to be in when growing hydro.

Organics are more forgiving. It's pretty difficult to screw it up. Hydro is much easier to screw up. But if you do it correctly you can easily out yield organics and produce top notch flavor.
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Yes and keeping your reservoir sterile. Why would someone want to deliberately add bacteria to their reservoir!

I'm in soilless now because of the heat up here but pure hydro would be so much simpler once I get the timing perfected (I'm STILL struggling with canopy 101).
 
ru4r34l

ru4r34l

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Dan Kone said:
The problem is that most hyrdo growers are under the impression that they way to grow good bud is to indiscriminately pump your plants full of as much bullshit as possible. It's really not a good mentality to be in when growing hydro.

Organics are more forgiving. It's pretty difficult to screw it up. Hydro is much easier to screw up. But if you do it correctly you can easily out yield organics and produce top notch flavor.
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What would he the difference between pumping my plants with nutes compared to pumping them with
A toxic poor tea :D

I don't believe organic are more forgiving, I dump reservoir and refill
With proper nutes and pH; problem fixed.

regards,
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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ru4r34l said:
What would he the difference between pumping my plants with nutes compared to pumping them with
A toxic poor tea :D

I don't believe organic are more forgiving, I dump reservoir and refill
With proper nutes and pH; problem fixed.

regards,
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Commercial availability of products. At every hydro store in America half the store is filled with pointless crap you can poor into a hydro rez. In theory you could do the same with organics, but the reality is that those products are more available and more commonly used in hydro.
 
SpicySativa

SpicySativa

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ru4r34l said:
What would he the difference between pumping my plants with nutes compared to pumping them with
A toxic poor tea :D

I don't believe organic are more forgiving, I dump reservoir and refill
With proper nutes and pH; problem fixed.

regards,
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Thats just the thing... With hydroponics, you can pump the plant with way more nutrients than it needs because you are applying nutrients in salt form. When they mix in water, they break into their ionic form. This means the plant can't "drink" without guzzling down whatever ions you've dumped into your res. In organics (IF DONE PROPERLY) the plant is in full control of what it takes in. By releasing specific exudates (high-energy carbon based foods for microlife) the plant is able to attract the appropriate microbiology to its root zone. This microlife (bact, fung, arch, Protozoa, nematodes, etc) then releases only the nutrients the plant has "requested" by releasing a certain exudate. Get it set up properly, and you cruise through entire seasons with very few additions or issues. No pH checking, no EC checking, no res temp to monitor, no pumps to break, no risk of flooding, etc.

Bottom line is we're all gonna do what works for us. I suggest you all at least give it a try :).
 
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Mithrandir420

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SpicySativa said:
Thats just the thing... With hydroponics, you can pump the plant with way more nutrients than it needs because you are applying nutrients in salt form. When they mix in water, they break into their ionic form. This means the plant can't "drink" without guzzling down whatever ions you've dumped into your res. In organics (IF DONE PROPERLY) the plant is in full control of what it takes in. By releasing specific exudates (high-energy carbon based foods for microlife) the plant is able to attract the appropriate microbiology to its root zone. This microlife (bact, fung, arch, Protozoa, nematodes, etc) then releases only the nutrients the plant has "requested" by releasing a certain exudate. Get it set up properly, and you cruise through entire seasons with very few additions or issues. No pH checking, no EC checking, no res temp to monitor, no pumps to break, no risk of flooding, etc.

Bottom line is we're all gonna do what works for us. I suggest you all at least give it a try :).
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Really? Really?

Your misunderstanding of things astounds me.
 
SpicySativa

SpicySativa

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Mithrandir420 said:
Really? Really?

Your misunderstanding of things astounds me.
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This is no mystery to the farming community. It's called the Soil Food Web. Many books have been written on the subject of the symbiosis that exists between plants and a truly living organic soil.
 
SpicySativa

SpicySativa

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SpicySativa said:
This is no mystery to the farming community. It's called the Soil Food Web. Many books have been written on the subject of the symbiosis that exists between plants and a truly living organic soil.
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This is why healthy plants have been growing on earth since LONG before man was around to build chemical processing plants...
 
ru4r34l

ru4r34l

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SpicySativa said:
This is why healthy plants have been growing on earth since LONG before man was around to build chemical processing plants...
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I believe in heling mother nature out a little. Root exudes have a direct impact on which and how many species of bacteria and microbes are in the soil, in soiless growing (hydroponics) I keep a sterile rezervoir and don't need to worry about bacteria, microbes, or pathogens!

regards,
 
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