GrowUrOwnDank
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"how much should this yield? whats the best yielding auto?"
Without a pic it's always tough to say. But, I'll put it out there and say.
Meh. Bout a pound.
Why would you buy regular?
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Without a pic it's always tough to say. But, I'll put it out there and say.
Meh. Bout a pound.
Observe & Report
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It isn't a market control strategy, it's a strategy to have a successful business by meeting the market demand for seeds that don't produce males. It's not something forced on growers from "corporate," quite the opposite really. In any event, it is a poor control strategy. Nothing is stopping people from cloning those seeds. Nothing is stopping people who have the desire from making their own feminized seeds from females that come from either regular or feminized seeds. Nothing stops people from making regular seeds from males that come from regular seeds either but most people don't, they trash the males as soon as they show.
Most growers don't want to fuck around with males that take up precious space, time, and plant counts. Not when you can buy seeds that reliably produce females.
Seed banks do lots of business because most growers don't want hundreds of seeds that all produce basically the same shit. Not when you can spend $10 and get something totally new to you that you can keep around for as long as you want.
Most growers don't want seeds in any of their buds, not when seeds with the aforementioned qualities are readily available from stores, dispensaries, and through the mail.
With respect to breeding, if you're breeding with females you can directly observe the desired traits of both parents. That greatly increases the power of your selection, not to mention the speed, compared to painstakingly crossing males to the target female then growing out and carefully evaluating the female progeny, which hardly ever happens.
AFAIK, all opposition to feminized seads boils down to "i have a bad feeling about it," including "they use teh chems" and totally unsubstantiated claims of "hermies." Maybe there are negatives, but nobody has proposed a plausible explanation for why or evidence that they exist at all. Meanwhile, the market for feminized seeds is flourishing with little complaint.
Most growers don't want to fuck around with males that take up precious space, time, and plant counts. Not when you can buy seeds that reliably produce females.
Seed banks do lots of business because most growers don't want hundreds of seeds that all produce basically the same shit. Not when you can spend $10 and get something totally new to you that you can keep around for as long as you want.
Most growers don't want seeds in any of their buds, not when seeds with the aforementioned qualities are readily available from stores, dispensaries, and through the mail.
With respect to breeding, if you're breeding with females you can directly observe the desired traits of both parents. That greatly increases the power of your selection, not to mention the speed, compared to painstakingly crossing males to the target female then growing out and carefully evaluating the female progeny, which hardly ever happens.
AFAIK, all opposition to feminized seads boils down to "i have a bad feeling about it," including "they use teh chems" and totally unsubstantiated claims of "hermies." Maybe there are negatives, but nobody has proposed a plausible explanation for why or evidence that they exist at all. Meanwhile, the market for feminized seeds is flourishing with little complaint.
StellerKeller
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Two reasons why I buy regular seeds;
1. My first experienced teacher in the art of growing said, femmed seeds produce hermies.
2. People have told me that regular seeds are close to 3/4 female anyhow.
My heart has been broken too many times with balls, that I may be changing my mind.
1. My first experienced teacher in the art of growing said, femmed seeds produce hermies.
2. People have told me that regular seeds are close to 3/4 female anyhow.
My heart has been broken too many times with balls, that I may be changing my mind.
King Arthur
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It is really hard to tell what causes a hermaphrodite, I don't think it is by femming anything in particular but the fact that a bunch of fems are clone only elites. Not being a stable strain and being femmed would probably lead to hermies just like if you made regs with an unstable strain. Until you breed it out and make it an actual stabilized strain than the chances of fuckups are probably higher.
Who knows, I have popped a ton of seeds and I tend to like the ones from people like Sannie who work their strains.
Who knows, I have popped a ton of seeds and I tend to like the ones from people like Sannie who work their strains.
TheHermit
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I think working and testing the strains is key. So many breeders feel the need to come out with a dozen new strains every six months that I feel that a lot of new strains are simply pollen chucks or completely untested.
King Arthur
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Yeah definitely! Can't just hit the first round and be like alright guys all done no testing needed. Especially if one is advertising certain effects or characteristics. Otherwise it is pure hogwash and you will be lucky as hell to find the one pheno representing the picture / description of strain.
Sannies Jackberry and Jack come out as expected every time, sure there are a few different colors but the effects are so similar that I don't feel like I am growing three different strains from one seed stock.
Observe & Report
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If the breeder doesn't say how many generations of crossing are involved then it's safe to assume it's chucked.
King Arthur
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BUT if it was two strains that were stable and crossed would that make the progeny stable? My first thought was yes but my second was not necessarily. I am not sure
King Arthur
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I have paid 30-100 a pack, I acquired the strains I am interested in and then some so now I just gotta do the hard work of follow through
. So far I feel like I do a good job at culling anything before it becomes a problem. For instance if a seedling isn't going to perform and the rest are getting transplanted sometimes they get left behind. Only the strong survive in this new world order lololol.You spend alot buying seeds when it's not hard to make your own.
Besides where is the fun in fems? If you have regs you can cross strains together and find gems along the way. We don't want another mosanto to emerge after all. Of course u can CS or STS too...Just sometimes it doesn't work. but not all males are bad. This one is one of my crosses (https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6571186&postcount=90), smoking him gets you way more fk'd than hydro bud you buy off the street (which isn't bad either)...zoom in on his balls
Sometimes the fem and reg versions may involve different combinations too. Here is an example. Ace Zamdelica
Fem: Zamal x Malawi
Reg: Zamal x Fast Golden Tiger
Reg #2 lot: Zamal x Malawi x Koh Chang Thai
Besides where is the fun in fems? If you have regs you can cross strains together and find gems along the way. We don't want another mosanto to emerge after all. Of course u can CS or STS too...Just sometimes it doesn't work. but not all males are bad. This one is one of my crosses (https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=6571186&postcount=90), smoking him gets you way more fk'd than hydro bud you buy off the street (which isn't bad either)...zoom in on his balls
Sometimes the fem and reg versions may involve different combinations too. Here is an example. Ace Zamdelica
Fem: Zamal x Malawi
Reg: Zamal x Fast Golden Tiger
Reg #2 lot: Zamal x Malawi x Koh Chang Thai
Capt. Stickyfingers
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The majority of femmed strains are f1s, not s1s. Why do people always assume fem = s1?
Dannabis!
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It's not a stupid question
Feminization is basicly marketing to me.
Regular seeds are cheaper and at least as good.
More genetic options, including males in some lines (sometimes males are bred out of the line)
Fem seeds are more expensive and seem to herme/switch sexes more easily under light, heat or air stress.
but if you got girls, you got girls.
Feminization is basicly marketing to me.
Regular seeds are cheaper and at least as good.
More genetic options, including males in some lines (sometimes males are bred out of the line)
Fem seeds are more expensive and seem to herme/switch sexes more easily under light, heat or air stress.
but if you got girls, you got girls.
Thundercat
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Thats a whole other can of worms there DG.
Observe & Report
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Hear that everyone, regular seeds at least as good as feminized, except that part about for half of the seeds being males...
LOL!!
King Arthur
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It doesn't really take a genius to tell you guys that if you don't want regs don't buy them, if you want just fems buy fems. It doesn't matter to me what your plant originated from as long as she smokes great and gets me high.
BadInfluence
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I disagree with that. There are so many growers out there who don't have the space to waste on male plants or to do any breeding themselves. Feminized seeds can produce hermies but this is either caused by the genetics involved (aren't blueberry strains and some others known to produce a hermie from time to time?). Or the plants have been stressed. I think 90% of the hermies from feminized seeds are caused by these 2 reasons.
Of course there probably are a lot of rubbish feminized seeds available. But aren't there also plenty of crap regulars out there? I agree that regulars are usually cheaper because producing femmed seeds is expensive. But if you do some research and pick the breeders and strains carefully you can have more output in a shorter time or with limited space.
King Arthur
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When you don't want a male in the room they are really a waste of soil, nutrients, time, care etc. I agree, but when you do want a male it is useful to have regs. I feel that if people stop producing regs I will at least have a decent stock to choose from. I don't know how genetics work but if two lesbians made babies I would be skeptical of the outcome. Just my opinion though.
coppershot
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imo most of the breeders that I respect and grow, only do regular seeds. some of them offer a couple of fems but the vast majority do not. Fems are great for those want to try a large number of strains with no regard for pheno hunting and trying to find a standout pheno.
Outside of that, I find most breeders that offer only feminized line tend to suck and the original genetics are questionable. there are only a handful, if that, of feminized lines that I consider to be good. I do believe that female lines tend to herm more often than regs, but most of this come down to environmental conditions. I can say that the herms that I have had were from fem seeds and the regs in the room were unaffected...
To each their own, I see the value for fems, especially for some one wanting to try a large variety of strains, with limited space, time, budget, etc...
Outside of that, I find most breeders that offer only feminized line tend to suck and the original genetics are questionable. there are only a handful, if that, of feminized lines that I consider to be good. I do believe that female lines tend to herm more often than regs, but most of this come down to environmental conditions. I can say that the herms that I have had were from fem seeds and the regs in the room were unaffected...
To each their own, I see the value for fems, especially for some one wanting to try a large variety of strains, with limited space, time, budget, etc...