Windmills, Moors, and How a Spanish Author Saw this coming.

redivider

Well-Known Member
I got high today and watching Fox News, yes I do watch it, keeps me sane, I realized something. There exists a similarity between 1) some of Fox News’ rhetoric and America’s state of mind; and 2) The novels and letters read by Don Quixote and his subsequent spiral into lunacy.

For those of you who don’t know who Don Quixote is: A fictional character created by Miguel De Cervantes. He is an old man, who outlived the years of feudalism, and stays in his deteriorating castle reading novels. He is desperate, impressionable, and reads stories about knights and heroism, and the battle against the evil Moors (Arabs) who had taken over the promised land (The Crusades). In his isolation and desperation he dons an old armor suit he owns, gets on his old, sickly horse (who he views as an enviable beast) and rides off. He gets into all sorts of trouble, and at one point finds himself staring at Moor Giants. He faces them head on, only to run into giant windmills, get tangled up in the blades, and he becomes a laughing stock for all who see him.


Quixote read novels, works of fiction, which were based on facts, the Crusades. When you sit down and watch TV pundits, like Glenn Beck, Hannity and O’Riley, we are bombarded with something. The network the shows air on has openly admitted it’s not news, it’s opinion, based on fact. See that? This right-wing, fear-mongering giant, has become our novels, and we’re Quixote. We’re faced with a similar situation. Poor economic times, war has raged for the last years, Generation Y is arriving at adulthood….Older people, who make up the biggest voting demographic, are our Quixotes. Not just older people, people in poor economic times, people with a lot of things going on, people who are impressionable, and who will hold on to something for the sake of having something, those are Quixotes................

And the ‘novels’ rage on: Beck insisting that Obama is a black demon, Hannity demonizing Hamas and everything muslim every single night, and O’Riley, avoiding issues and relying on logical fallacy to make his points… I am a pretty smart kid, and I did a little ‘keyword density’ study on fox news. They are the only news show to reference Shariah Law, Imam, and the word support more than a few times per show. They have referenced imam, support, and shariah law more than one time per minute on average on primetime for the last week and a half. So for all non-advertiser-paid air-time Fox News had, somebody was talking about this imam, supports, and shariah law within the same sentence once a minute!!! FOR A WEEK AND A HALF!!!!!!!!!!!. This constant bombarding of implications, based on pure speculation, but based on facts has created a new breed of Quixote. A dude flew his plane into a building, A guy went by himself to Pakistan solo-mission-Rambo-style-imma-get-you carrying a sword, a gun, and night vision goggles, police and homeland security experts say that domestic right-wing crazies are stepping up rhetoric (they also say that although rhetoric is more violent, potential for actual violence remains low)…


But where does that leave America?? Standing in a field, looking down at windmills, believe it or not. We find ourselves in the midst of a psychotic episode, like the one Quixote had on that fateful day. No matter how loud Sancho (trusty sidekick) tried to warn him, he ended up fighting a windmill… Our windmill today is that damn mosque. Local new Yorkers don’t want the mosque to be built. But letting that fear, and that anger take over is just like when Quixote tried to kill the windmills. The truth is that its just a mosque, or as Sancho would say, it’s just a windmill.


In my opinion, the Mosque is nobody’s business except New York’s business. It’s a constitutional guarantee that religious freedom is a way of life in this country. Fox news, as I already mentioned, is the ONLY news network hyping this story. PERIOD. Other news networks reference it, but in reality, there’s nothing to see here, because the constitution protects this right, so we all know where this is going to end: if the owner wants to build a mosque, he's building that mosque. This is the type of situation where Fox LOOVES to find itself in, and sadly, it’s loyal following too. Here’s the Windmill: IF the president chooses to support this mosque, Fox and conservatives can rattle off about how this president sympathizes with terrorists, and how he’s a muslim, and how he doesn’t see eye to eye with the American people…. BUUT, if he sides with the majority of Americans, and says: HEY, THIS ISN’T GOING TO BE BUILT HERE, he will go against the constitution, the same document that gives him his power, and the same document conservatives say they protect. Just imagine, see, it’s all an attack on religious freedom, first this mosque, then synagogues, then churches….

So alas here we stand, in front of windmills, a “Quixotean” intersection, where lunacy, comedy and tragedy come together….for us, Quixote, there is no easy decision..... Cervantes really did see this coming……
 

jeff f

New Member
what was the breed and pheno you were smoking? sounds like it was pretty trippy.

btw, you should follow the news more closely. EVERYONE is talking about the mosque. thats what makes the story so funny. obama has tripped on his dick again and the american people are telling their politicians to fuck off. why do you think harry reid, nancy pelosi, and howard dean all put out major statements thhis past week? cuz fox is covering it? thats beyond hallucinogenic and down right dilusional.

oh yea, and tell me why the unions in NY told the fuckers they wouldnt build it? cuz fox is talking about it? you are very confused when you are high
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
actually,

i looked at this story since it began, and using ACCEPTED MARKET RESEARCH PRACTICES, key-word densities.

i managed to conclude that fox news hyped this story non-stop, on primetime, for more than a week and a half.

i know truth hurts jeff. but yes, this is a NON-ISSUE.

the CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR on this. FOX NEWS KNOWS THIS.

they're just hyping the story... it gets them ratings.... but where does it leave us??

spiraling down into craziness..... read quixote, more than twice to really get it...

you'll see little difference between his fear of muslims, or 'moors', and much of the rhetoric being spewn around.....

his fear grew out of desperation (he was broke, alone, and old),

america is in dire financial situation, which leads to desperation.

he found the stories in his books convincing, many of them were based on tales from knights coming back from the crusades...

many americans are finding this stupid rhetoric convincing as well, and a lot of what is said is BASED ON FACT. just like how the movie "the fourth kind" is based on fact too.....

it's almost prophetic from cervantes... that's where you can see real literary genious.
 

doc111

Well-Known Member
I got high today and watching Fox News, yes I do watch it, keeps me sane, I realized something. There exists a similarity between 1) some of Fox News’ rhetoric and America’s state of mind; and 2) The novels and letters read by Don Quixote and his subsequent spiral into lunacy.

For those of you who don’t know who Don Quixote is: A fictional character created by Miguel De Cervantes. He is an old man, who outlived the years of feudalism, and stays in his deteriorating castle reading novels. He is desperate, impressionable, and reads stories about knights and heroism, and the battle against the evil Moors (Arabs) who had taken over the promised land (The Crusades). In his isolation and desperation he dons an old armor suit he owns, gets on his old, sickly horse (who he views as an enviable beast) and rides off. He gets into all sorts of trouble, and at one point finds himself staring at Moor Giants. He faces them head on, only to run into giant windmills, get tangled up in the blades, and he becomes a laughing stock for all who see him.


Quixote read novels, works of fiction, which were based on facts, the Crusades. When you sit down and watch TV pundits, like Glenn Beck, Hannity and O’Riley, we are bombarded with something. The network the shows air on has openly admitted it’s not news, it’s opinion, based on fact. See that? This right-wing, fear-mongering giant, has become our novels, and we’re Quixote. We’re faced with a similar situation. Poor economic times, war has raged for the last years, Generation Y is arriving at adulthood….Older people, who make up the biggest voting demographic, are our Quixotes. Not just older people, people in poor economic times, people with a lot of things going on, people who are impressionable, and who will hold on to something for the sake of having something, those are Quixotes................

And the ‘novels’ rage on: Beck insisting that Obama is a black demon, Hannity demonizing Hamas and everything muslim every single night, and O’Riley, avoiding issues and relying on logical fallacy to make his points… I am a pretty smart kid, and I did a little ‘keyword density’ study on fox news. They are the only news show to reference Shariah Law, Imam, and the word support more than a few times per show. They have referenced imam, support, and shariah law more than one time per minute on average on primetime for the last week and a half. So for all non-advertiser-paid air-time Fox News had, somebody was talking about this imam, supports, and shariah law within the same sentence once a minute!!! FOR A WEEK AND A HALF!!!!!!!!!!!. This constant bombarding of implications, based on pure speculation, but based on facts has created a new breed of Quixote. A dude flew his plane into a building, A guy went by himself to Pakistan solo-mission-Rambo-style-imma-get-you carrying a sword, a gun, and night vision goggles, police and homeland security experts say that domestic right-wing crazies are stepping up rhetoric (they also say that although rhetoric is more violent, potential for actual violence remains low)…


But where does that leave America?? Standing in a field, looking down at windmills, believe it or not. We find ourselves in the midst of a psychotic episode, like the one Quixote had on that fateful day. No matter how loud Sancho (trusty sidekick) tried to warn him, he ended up fighting a windmill… Our windmill today is that damn mosque. Local new Yorkers don’t want the mosque to be built. But letting that fear, and that anger take over is just like when Quixote tried to kill the windmills. The truth is that its just a mosque, or as Sancho would say, it’s just a windmill.


In my opinion, the Mosque is nobody’s business except New York’s business. It’s a constitutional guarantee that religious freedom is a way of life in this country. Fox news, as I already mentioned, is the ONLY news network hyping this story. PERIOD. Other news networks reference it, but in reality, there’s nothing to see here, because the constitution protects this right, so we all know where this is going to end: if the owner wants to build a mosque, he's building that mosque. This is the type of situation where Fox LOOVES to find itself in, and sadly, it’s loyal following too. Here’s the Windmill: IF the president chooses to support this mosque, Fox and conservatives can rattle off about how this president sympathizes with terrorists, and how he’s a muslim, and how he doesn’t see eye to eye with the American people…. BUUT, if he sides with the majority of Americans, and says: HEY, THIS ISN’T GOING TO BE BUILT HERE, he will go against the constitution, the same document that gives him his power, and the same document conservatives say they protect. Just imagine, see, it’s all an attack on religious freedom, first this mosque, then synagogues, then churches….

So alas here we stand, in front of windmills, a “Quixotean” intersection, where lunacy, comedy and tragedy come together….for us, Quixote, there is no easy decision..... Cervantes really did see this coming……
Ya know, Obama had one other choice that you forgot to mention..............he could've just kept his mouth shut about the issue. Yes, they can build their mosque. Yes, it is their right. That doesn't mean America or New York has to be happy about it. If every construction worker in the tri-state area refuses to work on this project is Obama gonna FORCE them? Yes, it's just a mosque, but it's what the mosque represents. That giant hole in the ground is sacred to many, many people, and not just those who lost loved ones. Every American lost something that day. Why do they have to build the mosque HERE? Why spend $100 million? Why call it Cordoba house? Many say this isn't a war with Islam and I agree with that. If this type of nonsense keeps up it will quickly become a war with Islam because it's insensitive moves like this mosque being built at this location that plant the seeds for war. It builds distrust and tension. Let them build it but don't bitch and moan when some angry relative of somebody killed on 9/11 hurls a molotov cocktail throught the front window. I'm not advocating this sort of behavior but we all know that these sorts of things happen all the time and could be avoided by making sensible choices and having some respect for the wishes of the victims' families. :-|
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Ya know, Obama had one other choice that you forgot to mention..............he could've just kept his mouth shut about the issue. Yes, they can build their mosque. Yes, it is their right. That doesn't mean America or New York has to be happy about it. If every construction worker in the tri-state area refuses to work on this project is Obama gonna FORCE them? Yes, it's just a mosque, but it's what the mosque represents. That giant hole in the ground is sacred to many, many people, and not just those who lost loved ones. Every American lost something that day. Why do they have to build the mosque HERE? Why spend $100 million? Why call it Cordoba house? Many say this isn't a war with Islam and I agree with that. If this type of nonsense keeps up it will quickly become a war with Islam because it's insensitive moves like this mosque being built at this location that plant the seeds for war. It builds distrust and tension. Let them build it but don't bitch and moan when some angry relative of somebody killed on 9/11 hurls a molotov cocktail throught the front window. I'm not advocating this sort of behavior but we all know that these sorts of things happen all the time and could be avoided by making sensible choices and having some respect for the wishes of the victims' families. :-|
You are absolutely right, Obama Should and probably wishes that he had said nothing.

I APPLAUD Obama for sticking to the principles of religious tolerance this country was founded on and what he said was a brave thing to do.

They can build the Mosque on the actual Spot where the towers sat for all I care. I am not afraid of the people who practice the Islamic faith, we are after all the same, Human. It is the governments of people who have created these problems, not you and I. I don't see it as a spit in our faces either, since not a single soul involved in the mosque flew those planes. They probably won't be able to build it there because the insurance company won't insure it because its just too high risk of being attacked by those troglodyte People who believe that Muslims hate America for our freedoms and not because we bomb them every day. Or shoot them for carrying AK-Kodakcameras.
 

jeff f

New Member
You are absolutely right, Obama Should and probably wishes that he had said nothing.

I APPLAUD Obama for sticking to the principles of religious tolerance this country was founded on and what he said was a brave thing to do.

They can build the Mosque on the actual Spot where the towers sat for all I care. I am not afraid of the people who practice the Islamic faith, we are after all the same, Human. It is the governments of people who have created these problems, not you and I. I don't see it as a spit in our faces either, since not a single soul involved in the mosque flew those planes. They probably won't be able to build it there because the insurance company won't insure it because its just too high risk of being attacked by those troglodyte People who believe that Muslims hate America for our freedoms and not because we bomb them every day. Or shoot them for carrying AK-Kodakcameras.
without making a legal judgment about the qhole thing please tell me why the left finds the need to be "tolerant" of religions as long as they arent christians?

and if they do build it, i hope they oppress their women and make those bitches wear their masks, or burkas or whatever they call that thing that covers their face. and i hope if their women dont wear them, i hope the muslim men beat the fucking shit out of them like they do in every other muslim country.

i am sure those less than human woman deserve to have their asses whipped!! besides, they are inferior.

a public mercy killing in lower manhatten about once a month should be enough to keep american women in line too. you know they have them at chop chop square in muslim countries. whats wrong with here? manhatten women are fucking snobs anyway.

yes, i think its a great idea....religious freedom my ass..welcome to the seventh century donald trump
 

medicineman

New Member
without making a legal judgment about the qhole thing please tell me why the left finds the need to be "tolerant" of religions as long as they arent christians?

and if they do build it, i hope they oppress their women and make those bitches wear their masks, or burkas or whatever they call that thing that covers their face. and i hope if their women dont wear them, i hope the muslim men beat the fucking shit out of them like they do in every other muslim country.

i am sure those less than human woman deserve to have their asses whipped!! besides, they are inferior.

a public mercy killing in lower manhatten about once a month should be enough to keep american women in line too. you know they have them at chop chop square in muslim countries. whats wrong with here? manhatten women are fucking snobs anyway.

yes, i think its a great idea....religious freedom my ass..welcome to the seventh century donald trump
Me thinks you may be a "little Prejudiced". Visions of American Muslims beating their "old ladies", come on, that is a very cheap shot. I'd wager you actually believe that crap. so sorry for you.
 

Spanishfly

Well-Known Member
Obama is in favour of the Mosque. Sounds like Al-Qaeda have got one of their own in the White House.
 

jeff f

New Member
Me thinks you may be a "little Prejudiced". Visions of American Muslims beating their "old ladies", come on, that is a very cheap shot. I'd wager you actually believe that crap. so sorry for you.
here mr. "this doesnt happen". try this on for size. and let us know if you see any "common thread"...

http://www.unifem.org/gender_issues/violence_against_women/facts_figures.php?page=4

and notice the source. so if the UN says its this bad, i would guess you could probably triple the number to get an actual count.
 
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