Woman Thanks Tax Payers for Health Care.

So basically, what you're saying is 'tough shit, cancer boy', right....?

These 'individual tragedies' also involve people loosing their life savings and their house when someone in the family gets sick or is injured. This can happen even if you have insurance. And the individual mandate is not about providing insurance for poor people, it's about making sure your insurance company doesn't try to screw you over with 'pre-existing conditions', 'recision' and other bullshit.

MacGuyver4.2.0 said:

The easiest way to enslave any group of people is to make them totally dependant on others... for everything. Thier is NO need to better ones self or thier situation (or even try) when everything you need... is handed to you.

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Right....I would actually take this even further. Don't be enslaved by having a 'doctor' come between you and your healthcare. True patriots treat their diabetes and heart disease themselves.

Man o' the green said:

Everyone should have equal access to health care. People do not have the "right" to equal results or equal resources.
No one is denied emergency health care, this is not about survival, this is about quality of life. In every respect, one must pay for this. I'm sorry for all those who don't have everything they desire, but suffering is the human condition, it is the prime motivator to wealth, stability and longevity.

And if I choose not to "pitch in", am I penalized ? Are we willing to sacrifice the liberty of all for the benefit of some ? Does it make people sleep better to think that doing something must be better than doing nothing ?

What would Jesus do ? He would remind us that we all must be considerate of those less fortunate, helping as we can, of our own free will. He was against the establishment and was fully aware of the corruption of the church and it's redistribution. Help comes from love and compassion, not by force or coercion.

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Well, you said it yourself "Suffering is the human condition." So who should suffer, those without healthcare or your ilk. The one's so bitterly complaining that their lives are being ruined by Obamacare. Well, by golly, I guess it you and your ilk.

jeffchr said:

Well, you said it yourself "Suffering is the human condition." So who should suffer, those without healthcare or your ilk. The one's so bitterly complaining that their lives are being ruined by Obamacare. Well, by golly, I guess it you and your ilk.

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I think we should first work on minimizing the suffering that WE create before moving on to the suffering we don't. Ergo, don't make me pay your medical bills.

abe23 said:

So again....if you have childhood leukemia and can't afford health insurance, you should have picked richer parents. No chemo for you....

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Thank you, Captain Obvious. It's the height of irrationality to expect someone else to pay for your own problems.

fulbright said:

I think we should first work on minimizing the suffering that WE create before moving on to the suffering we don't. Ergo, don't make me pay your medical bills.

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most conservative and righties who don't like the recent healthcare reform focus on the few who might get some government aid. the bill is so much more than welfare. it is the initial attempt to regulate the insurance companies which will benefit everyone.

healthcare reform at least has an honest motivation. if you are opposed to reform, then you are for the rip-off insurance companies who don't even have the right to call their product "insurance". it's more of a ponzi scheme. you buy it in case you get sick, and the insurance companies have learned how to get the sick out of the system.

and you are paying the medical bills of the uninsured already. costs of the uninsured are already reflected in higher medical costs.

jeffchr said:

most conservative and righties who don't like the recent healthcare reform focus on the few who might get some government aid. the bill is so much more than welfare. it is the initial attempt to regulate the insurance companies which will benefit everyone.

healthcare reform at least has an honest motivation. if you are opposed to reform, then you are for the rip-off insurance companies who don't even have the right to call their product "insurance". it's more of a ponzi scheme. you buy it in case you get sick, and the insurance companies have learned how to get the sick out of the system.

and you are paying the medical bills of the uninsured already. costs of the uninsured are already reflected in higher medical costs.

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You are right that reform is a necessary action we need in America, but I disagree with the way in which it is being done. There are ways we can make our problems worse, and this to me is one of them.

And indeed I am paying for the uninsured through higher health costs. I'm also paying higher costs for the bullshit that insurance companies make doctors go through. Sometimes its a real battle to get the insurance companies to pay the necessary costs. I recognize that there are serious problems in the health care industry, and that we can't keep perpetuating these problems. This can and will bankrupt us if we allow it to.

Relax everyone.

I think it's safe to say this is a parody.

Johnnyorganic said:

Relax everyone.

I think it's safe to say this is a parody.

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i pretty much had to consider it a put on from the beginning, the alternative was anger and i'm really tired of getting angry at ignorance. the problem is that i think we've all met enough people voicing similar sentiments in earnest to see the truth behind the jest. the truth is that the black community did turn out in droves to vote for obama merely because he was black. we applauded this blatant racism as a step forward when we should have realized it as merely more of the same garbage we have been struggling with for ages. the truth is that the expansion of the welfare state does reward the indolent at the expense of the productive. we have allowed our compassion and our envy to override our common sense. the truth is that the liberal establishment is playing on the greed of the mob to enhance its own power base and pervert the spirit, if not the letter, of the constitution. we are willingly permitting the creation of a ruling class that has no care for the very oaths they have sworn or the best interests of the nation's future. the truth is that the american people will be paying for these backward steps away from individual liberty for decades, if they don't knock us off the path entirely. we have forgotten the meaning of the individualism that helped build this nation and abandoned the course toward the exceptional for the illusions of comfort and security.

we are heading toward the very real possibility of there being two americas. the one, filled with productive members who willingly pay their way and strive for the exceptional, and the other, occupied by those who feel entitled to suckle off of the fruits of the labor of others. on second thought, make that three americas. the societal leeches are actually divided into two distinct groups. the substandard poor, who revel in their failure because there is no need for success, and the political elite, who enable their fellow leeches and feed off the rage of that envious mob. we have yet to reach the verge of that slope that makes all of this inevitable, but it is within sight.

perhaps it is inevitable anyway. perhaps this is just another of the many ways that great societies die.

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most conservative and righties who don't like the recent healthcare reform focus on the few who might get some government aid. the bill is so much more than welfare.

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The mishandling of welfare assistance is certainly a good argument for not giving the feds any further power. But you are right, this is not all about welfare. To me it's about rights and liberties, cost and size of government.

jeffchr said:

it is the initial attempt to regulate the insurance companies which will benefit everyone.

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If it's not now clear that this is about power and control, then it never will be. This is only the excuse given to sell to a few that might otherwise notice the loss of freedom. True insurance reform is only a minor part of the law compared to the control passed to the government.

jeffchr said:

healthcare reform at least has an honest motivation. if you are opposed to reform, then you are for the rip-off insurance companies who don't even have the right to call their product "insurance". it's more of a ponzi scheme. you buy it in case you get sick, and the insurance companies have learned how to get the sick out of the system.

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It does not have an honest motivation, if it did, the process would have been inclusive of all ideas, transparent and overwhelmingly supported by the people. The only reason for this law can be the increase of government power. Being against this law does not make me for the insurance companies. Why didn't the law just include the provisions that we all agree on, such as the industry abuses you mention ?

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and you are paying the medical bills of the uninsured already. costs of the uninsured are already reflected in higher medical costs.

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of course we are paying for the uninsured, and we probably always will in some form or another, but to put the government in the middle only makes the problem worse. The government's management of social programs would receive a failing grade by any standards, and there is no indication that this program would be any different.

Although the video was a put on, the woman in the video is a good representation of a great number of people. I am always amazed at how clueless so many posters here are about the world. It is as if a good number of you have never traveled outside of your own little town. You speak of the poor and of Blacks, such as those in these videos, in a way that suggests you have never met any of them and you are going by something you heard in school or from a book. Perhaps if you left your own backyard once or twice and developed an actual worldview, you might have a clue.

And BTW, all poor children under 18 qualify for Medicaid and have for decades so stop with the poor sick child appeal to emotion.

This video is 100% real.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkksi344cM&feature=related

Sorry, second one was redundant.

I think this was more of an attention grabber.I doubt allot of it was true.Atleast I hope not.

It's all academic anyway.

As soon as the Republicans take over Congress, they will refuse to appropriate funds for MessiahCare.

Or repeal it altogether if they have the juice.

Johnnyorganic said:

It's all academic anyway.

As soon as the Republicans take over Congress, they will refuse to appropriate funds for MessiahCare.

Or repeal it altogether if they have the juice.

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Is that the same as saying soon as Jesus returns everything will be alright ???? and on the last part... numbers don't lie and the numbers say you can not repeal

londonfog said:

Is that the same as saying soon as Jesus returns everything will be alright ???? and on the last part... numbers don't lie and the numbers say you can not repeal

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umm excuse me?


here in the US congress stops whatever funding it feels like, as is their authority granted by the constitution

londonfog said:

Is that the same as saying soon as Jesus returns everything will be alright ???? and on the last part... numbers don't lie and the numbers say you can not repeal

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And a Republican would never sit in Teddy Kennedy's seat.

Lulz.

Johnnyorganic said:

And a Republican would never sit in Teddy Kennedy's seat.

Lulz.

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at least when he was alive, but dead all bets off.

We will see come November, but for now your statement is one of " HOPE"....I thought that was an Obama thing..Glad to see you using it now....You "hope" Republicans take over congress come November.

londonfog said:

at least when he was alive, but dead all bets off.

We will see come November, but for now your statement is one of " HOPE"....I thought that was an Obama thing..Glad to see you using it now....You "hope" Republicans take over congress come November.

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What the fuck are you talking about... hope?

I don't give two shits about the Republicrats.

But the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

It's all about driving the Demoncraps from power.

And they are the best hope.

Don't you read the papers?

Obviously not.

Time to enjoy the sun ...Happy Easter