World Of Hempy

Coco has been known to retain some nutes, but in hempy i never had to flush. I was feeding heavily 2-3 times a day at that point (25%perlite/75% coco and perlite reservoir). The whole idea to feeding each day with the runoff was to remove any built up salts or stale nutrients in the reservoir. I have had much better results dialing down nutrients rather than starving them. Here's an easy way to check - get a ppm meter and check out your runoff. If it's over 3000 then a flush is necessary.

I also finish with 90% green leaves (as long as i don't fuck them up to much along the way). I don't believe in starving them or not giving them enough N during the flowering phase, because it is still necessary all the way through (otherwise why would they take it from the lower leaves?). There are many myths when it comes to N, but most people forget in containers such as soil/coco/promix it is harder for the plant to uptake N than in hydro. A good 3-1-2 ratio or 3-1-3 ratio is just what the doctor ordered for our type of plants, from veg to finish in containers. If you want to hit it with PK boosters, be my guest. However, starving a plant of nitrogen during the most grueling part of their life seems like abuse to me.

Too much N will make the plant claw, but i'm not sure if that's why it gets burnt tips. Lack of a lot of different nutrients will cause burnt tips and all kinds of crazy colors.

Thanks for the response,
Well I do not starve, I use the same ratio of Micro and Bloom my entire flower period till two weeks from harvest. I do add, liquid KoolBloom and molasses to the mix after stretch.
I used to check runoff but don't do it anymore. With the rates I am using it is not a problem, I mainly do the weekly thing to flush out the coco as it and the Growstone both capture and hold nutes. I know that it should be flushed with each watering you do, I feel a bit more comfortable doing the week additional amount of water/nutes. Better safe than sorry, and the cost of the nutes is not that much.

GR

I've had a hard time finding the ingredients in koolbloom other than it's a PK booster.

Have you ever tried using Floralicious Plus? It has sea kelp, and humic (or fulvic) acid, and can be beneficial for aroma and flavor. It's easy, just add it at 1ml/gallon all through flower.

http://www.simplyhydro.com/benefits_of_kelp.htm

What's the molasses for? I thought that was for dirt growers who were trying to feed their microherd?

I see no micros in KoolBloom, it is just P&K.
I have used Floralicious Plus in the past, as a fact I added it during my last grow, I just wanted this grow simple and a bit cheaper, as I am using around two gallons of water/nutes daily.

It's a booster nothing more, most booster products are molasses based. I just use straight organic molasses, this provides a number of micro's and carbs the plant uses. It is claimed that it increases the stickiness and sweetness of the plant but I don't know about that. And yes there are microbes in that coco and that provides them nutes as well that they use to go about their appointed task.
I agree that it is most beneficial in soil grows but for the cost and the amt used I feel it's worth it.

GR

I don't like working with molasses, honestly, and haven't since i stopped soil. I had read high levels of P killed or at least stopped beneficial myco's from doing their job. I just use a synthetic nute in one bottle with all 16 essential micros/macros, a silicon supplement, and a kelp/humic(or fulvic) to keep it simple. I never use cal/mag, any myco additives, or anything else for that matter. I hated using 3 bottles just to make a base nute with most essential micros/macros, then supplementing with cal/mag. Only took one grow to see the light on a one bottle with all elements in the right proportion alternative.

I'm not knocking anyone else (especially you because i have followed your results here and in the mainlining thread and WOW), but I'm very pleased with the results dyna gro foliage pro and protekt has given me. The only thing I change from veg to flower is going from a 1:1 ratio of Foliage Pro : Protekt to a 4:1 Foliage Pro : Protekt during flower plus the 1ml/gallon Floralicious +.

I doubt if any two people grow exactly the same, I just try and follow the plants lead, growing in Hempy's allow me the opportunity to see problems and addressing them quickly as compared to soil.
I may mix things up for this falls grow and maybe try a SCrog with the Exodus Cheese.

GR

gr865 said:

I do not do a true flush during my grow but I do something weekly and wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this. Running Coco/Growstone 75/25.
At present I am using two cups my full rate mix per bucket during my daily waterings. One day a week I mix a 2/3 rate and run twice the amount of nute mix thru the 1 gallon buckets or 4 cups, it is actually a little more as I totally empty the entire 5 gallons divided amongst the buckets. My goal is to remove nute build up in the root zone without disrupting the plants grow cycle using just pH'ed water.
Anyone do anything like this or am I just wasting my time and nutes?

Also, I read that tip burn is cause by lack of N, I thought it was caused by too much N, anyone know the real answer to this?

GR

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Tip burn is N toxicity. (might be other things too)

Lack of N shows in the leaves as a whole, from the bottom up, with lower
leaves yellowing first.

JD

White Rhino & Exodus Cheese Clones
Day 35 of 12/12

Hi y'all,
Ok day 35 and the ladies are doing fine, thee to five weeks till harvest. Will probably do a staggered harvest, maybe do two to four plants at the recommended date then stagger the rest. I am going to harvest the tops staggered also, chop some tops leaving the undergrowth to mature more.

The ladies have recovered from the heavy pruning I gave them two weeks ago and have taken back off, but of course good ol' Murphy's Law reared it's ugly head and my HPS died. Went out just after light on this past week and the smell of burned wires set me back. Shit I went in to panic mode at that point, opened the box expecting to find something really fucked, but things were fine. So I started looking and found the digital ballast had crashed. So pull all the HPS stuff out and reinstalled my California Light Works SS 400 LED. Have not use it for a number of grows but it is still in good shape.
To help compensate for no longer having the HPS, can't afford a replacement right now, I put in 5-26W soft white 2750 lumen CFL's. I hope this set up does the trick.
My next years Christmas Card, LOL


Just fattening up and being happy. I have not seen any shock from having to change the lights but I am keeping a close eye on it.
Then temperature in the cabinet is about 6 or so degrees higher in the cabinet than with the HPS and cool tube. Half way through today's light cycle and the temp in the cabinet is 83 degrees, it would be about 75 to 77 degree with the cool tube.

Later
GR

I just cleaned up the buckets from my last grow, 5 gallon coco/growstones, and in both buckets I had very little roots in the reservoir of the bucket. The growstone I used in the reservoir was loose and had very few roots in them.
I did not get the expected results from this last grow and now I am sure this was the reason. My question is what would cause this? I am sure my interface between the growstone and coco mix was good. I have not run into this before and if its something I need to fix I want to do so right away.
Now I am wondering if I am not having the same problem with this grow. I do not believe the plants are drinking enough and are not thickening up as I expected.
I need some advice please!

GR

gr865 said:

I just cleaned up the buckets from my last grow, 5 gallon coco/growstones, and in both buckets I had very little roots in the reservoir of the bucket. The growstone I used in the reservoir was loose and had very few roots in them.
I did not get the expected results from this last grow and now I am sure this was the reason. My question is what would cause this? I am sure my interface between the growstone and coco mix was good. I have not run into this before and if its something I need to fix I want to do so right away. I always aerate my water at least 24 hrs prior to adding nutes .
Now I am wondering if I am not having the same problem with this grow. I do not believe the plants are drinking enough and are not thickening up as I expected.
I need some advice please!

GR

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Well I believe I have found the problem, but not sure what caused it.
Taking a looking inside the drain hole of the bucket it if fucking ugly. Nasty looking roots, almost slimey. Also, while taking this pics I saw a number of gnates probably fungal since this is coco. Have not had this problem before.
Any ideas, feeling like a nube not being able to figure this out.
I have three weeks flower left, is there any thing I can do?

I could sure use some help here!

GR

Hello all! Just here to drop some pics to see if anyone thinks I'm alright
35 days from seed.

Those are some very arty shots there GR. Very lovely lighting setup. :0)

Javadog said:

Those are some very arty shots there GR. Very lovely lighting setup. :0)

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Thanks JD, I think the one with the red, green and white are going to be my next yrs Christmas card.

I am all pissed at the fungus gnats, have never experienced them before. My plants growth came to a fucking hault! I am hope the steps I am taking are going to do the trick, I know I will have to give them a little more grow time, which will probable mean I won't get the percentages of clear/cloudy/amber trichs I was hoping to go for.
GR

gr865 said:

Thanks JD, I think the one with the red, green and white are going to be my next yrs Christmas card.

I am all pissed at the fungus gnats, have never experienced them before. My plants growth came to a fucking hault! I am hope the steps I am taking are going to do the trick, I know I will have to give them a little more grow time, which will probable mean I won't get the percentages of clear/cloudy/amber trichs I was hoping to go for.
GR

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everyone has to face something fucked up eventually. you're a smart guy, and this will make you a better gardener. Sorry you have to lose yield because of the little buggers, though.

SamsonsRiddle said:

everyone has to face something fucked up eventually. you're a smart guy, and this will make you a better gardener. Sorry you have to lose yield because of the little buggers, though.

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Fuck I am an Agronomist and I should be catching these problems before they get out of hand. pH, mag def, heat, bugs, it was easier growing turf grass, which is what I did before I retired.
I have been growing for yrs and it is always something. Onward thru the Fog!
GR

gr865 said:

Fuck I am an Agronomist and I should be catching these problems before they get out of hand. pH, mag def, heat, bugs, it was easier growing turf grass, which is what I did before I retired.
I have been growing for yrs and it is always something. Onward thru the Fog!
GR

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lol, ouch! You're right, though, it's always something.

SamsonsRiddle said:

lol, ouch! You're right, though, it's always something.

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I applied for a big warehouse grow in WA, told them I had 35 yrs growing grass, LOL. But only 12 yrs growing cannabis. They interviewed me by phone, they got a big laugh out of my app.
Said they liked my experience, especially with coco as that is going to be their medium, DTW, but they ask how long I wanted to do it being retired and all. I told them as long as my health was good. I think that did it for me and they wanted a younger guy for the warehouse manager.
My G/F was happy I did not get the job, she wants to do some traveling and that would have tied me down for too long.
Oh well I will manage my 8 sq ft and couple of plants, that's been my gig for a number of yrs now, and that cool. Plus my boss (me) let's me get high at work, no drug testing and when I drank I could do that at work too,

GR

gr865 said:

I just cleaned up the buckets from my last grow, 5 gallon coco/growstones, and in both buckets I had very little roots in the reservoir of the bucket. The growstone I used in the reservoir was loose and had very few roots in them.
I did not get the expected results from this last grow and now I am sure this was the reason. My question is what would cause this? I am sure my interface between the growstone and coco mix was good. I have not run into this before and if its something I need to fix I want to do so right away.
Now I am wondering if I am not having the same problem with this grow. I do not believe the plants are drinking enough and are not thickening up as I expected.
I need some advice please!

GR

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Hey GR I'm back but barely.

Yrs back Jella and I both noticed that when growing in coco over a perlite rez that there was little root growth in the rez, we always thought this was due to the change in the medium from coarse perlite to fine coco. jella cured it by using coco over growstones then he got good root penetration into the rez. I just blended the rez 50/50 coco and perlite and it helped. In your case I believe it is more than just the change in medium at the rez line. Since you are watering every day the rez is always full or near full. Roots don't thrive when they are fully submerged all the time, they need O2 also to thrive. The tap root likes the fully submerged condition but when working with clones you have no tap. This is one of the reasons I've always advocated letting the hempy bucket fully dry out before watering again.

As far as the knats I don't know what to tell you. They are really hard to get rid of. They cause a noticeable decrease in growth rate. But the plants will finish with good quality bud it's just the yield will take a hit.

WattSaver said:

Hey GR I'm back but barely.

Yrs back Jella and I both noticed that when growing in coco over a perlite rez that there was little root growth in the rez, we always thought this was due to the change in the medium from coarse perlite to fine coco. jella cured it by using coco over growstones then he got good root penetration into the rez. I just blended the rez 50/50 coco and perlite and it helped. In your case I believe it is more than just the change in medium at the rez line. Since you are watering every day the rez is always full or near full. Roots don't thrive when they are fully submerged all the time, they need O2 also to thrive. The tap root likes the fully submerged condition but when working with clones you have no tap. This is one of the reasons I've always advocated letting the hempy bucket fully dry out before watering again.

As far as the knats I don't know what to tell you. They are really hard to get rid of. They cause a noticeable decrease in growth rate. But the plants will finish with good quality bud it's just the yield will take a hit.

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Hey Watt,

What you mean just barely? Thanks for the advice, a little more info below.

I do have roots in the rez and I am using coco/Growstones over Growstones in the rez. During the early part of this grow I checked the rez regularly to insure I was building the roots. I have not done that in awhile or I would have seen early signs.
As far a watering every day, I try and water around every 36 hours, but now have gone to every 2 days and the bucket is mostly dry. Will give it more time after I get things going ok again, allowing for them to dry more. That's good advice.

The fucking gnats, the Bastards! LOL
I have not seen any flying since Sunday, I used neem oil spray for the adults and I put BTi in the form of Mosquito Dunks, broken up and added to the water/nutes. I put my first treatment in the buckets Saturday afternoon then gave them w/n on Monday morning with no BTi. Next w/n BTi treatment scheduled for Wed. morning or afternoon depending on how dry they are.

GR

Barely in several areas. Plants barely started, I've got 2 wk old sprouts that need to be transplanted out of their solo cups. Barely have a new computer up and running, and I'm in the early stage of loading a music server. I've never had an ipod or any mp3 player so I know nothing about tagging, or streaming network servers and players, its way more than this old brain can digest.