Would Clinton have carried the DNC in the direction Obama oriented it?

dagwood45431

dagwood45431

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
Yet all you can do is smear him as racist or sexist. Why don't you ever bring up any criticisms about his policy positions?
Click to expand...
I have JUST MENTIONED SEVERAL VOTES OF HIS I DID NOT AGREE WITH. How is that not criticizing his policy decisions, you obtuse nut? Goddamn you're obtuse AF.

I'm hoping the caps knocks you out of your odd confirmation bias universe. It's actually weird to watch. You're disconnected from reality in a clearly observable way.

Good night. The tedium has gotten the better of me this evening. Get help. Seriously. You need some.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
dagwood45431 said:
When did I do that? SHOW ME.
Click to expand...
dagwood45431 said:
She's admitted it was a mistake.

Has Sanders admitted any of his bad votes were a mistake? If so, which ones. If not, why?
Click to expand...
You justified her vote by saying she admitted it was a mistake, then tried to paint Sanders as just as bad for voting for funding for the troops once we were already engaged in the war

I get it, voting for the war, in retrospect, looks terrible, especially for Democrats
 
dagwood45431

dagwood45431

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
You justified her vote by saying she admitted it was a mistake, then tried to paint Sanders as just as bad for voting for funding for the troops once we were already engaged in the war

I get it, voting for the war, in retrospect, looks terrible, especially for Democrats
Click to expand...
Engaging you is like trying to nail jell-O to the wall.

Life is too short for this nonsense. Welcome back to the 'ignore' list. You're never getting back out, Festivus be damned.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
dagwood45431 said:
I have JUST MENTIONED SEVERAL VOTES OF HIS I DID NOT AGREE WITH. How is that not criticizing his policy decisions?
Click to expand...
dagwood45431 said:
Why did Bernie support NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999?
Click to expand...

What do you disagree with about his statement?
dagwood45431 said:
Why did Sanders vote to authorize funds for both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?
Click to expand...
Yes, but so did Clinton, yet you don't levy the same criticisms against her
dagwood45431 said:
Did Bernie vote to bar Obama from transferring any gitmo prisoners to US mainland prisons? Yes or no?
Click to expand...
Is this issue important enough for you to oppose someone for president, or were you having a hard time coming up with 3 points to round out your post?

That bothers you, but Clinton accepting hundreds of thousands from Wall Street doesn't?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
Bernie Sanders delivered 9/10 of his supporters to vote for Clinton. He holds no responsibility in the results of the general election

Sanders policies disproportionately benefit minorities and women. More minorities and women support Sanders than white men. But keep trying to push the false narrative that he's somehow racist, since you can't argue with his policy positions or explain how he's racist

So? Most Vermont voters supported it too, yet Sanders voted against it. The right vote is not always what your constituents want. You skirt Clinton's responsibility for her vote that got hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed because you support her, not because it was actually justified.

A private citizen who was planning on running for president.. The American people rightly identify that as corruption, which is why Trump's "crooked Hillary" line stuck
Click to expand...
what are you talking about here?

In such a defensive posture about Sanders. Who says his policies disproportionately benefit minorities and women? White men?. The issue during the primary is whether or not he can win the nomination, which he completely failed to do in a fair race. Sanders lost the Democratic nomination BECAUSE less than 1/3 of African American and Hispanic American voters supported him. Too funny that you use opinion polls that don't matter in your arguments. He's courting the white racist vote now because he can't connect with people different from him.

I just pointed out that Clinton supported her constituency. What Bernie did is irrelevant to that argument.

What Clinton did was legal. If you don't want public officials to earn money after they quit Washington then make that a stipulation of employment. You don't speak for the American people.

God, what a shithead.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
Then why do you constantly try to justify it? Just admit it was a mistake

Idk
Click to expand...
you put words into my post that I didn't say:
you wrote into my post: "Has Sanders admitted any of his bad votes were a mistake? If so, which ones. If not, why?"

I didn't say that. what I said was:

Fogdog said:
Bring us Bernie or we'll give you Trump.

Oh yeah that's just fine for the white boys.

Sanders lost because he couldn't only attract a small number votes of African Americans and Hispanic Americans in the primary.

Iraq war was one of her worst votes. That said, history matters. White liberals abandoned the party at that time. Politicians like Clinton were following the will of the people who were voting -- recall that she was representing the people of New York and they were strongly for the Iraq war at the time.. Moral of the story, show up and vote.

Clinton was a private citizen when she spoke at those forums. If you don't like the laws that allow such a thing then change the law.
Click to expand...
slimy as a snot otter. This is the Sanders supporter that we've all come to dislike.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Fogdog said:
you put words into my post that I didn't say:
you wrote into my post: "Has Sanders admitted any of his bad votes were a mistake? If so, which ones. If not, why?"

I didn't say that. what I said was:


slimy as a snot otter. This is the Sanders supporter that we've all come to dislike.
Click to expand...
Forgive me for making an editing error. It's not the end of the world. I'm sure you'll get over it
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

Well-Known Member
Fogdog said:
Who says his policies disproportionately benefit minorities and women?
Click to expand...
Who would benefit the most from raising the minimum wage to a living wage, enacting universal healthcare, universal college, paid maternity/paternity leave, paid vacation time, a progressive system of taxation?

Poor people, minorities, and women are paid the least, enjoy the least amount (if any) maternity/paternity leave, paid vacation time, etc. Enacting Sanders policies would benefit them the most, which is reflected in his approval numbers
Fogdog said:
White men?.
Click to expand...
Reality
Fogdog said:
The issue during the primary is whether or not he can win the nomination, which he completely failed to do in a fair race.
Click to expand...
It wasn't a "fair race". If it was, DWS wouldn't have resigned in shame and apologized for tipping the scales towards Clinton, and you would have agreed with the idea of making the DNC bylaws legally binding
Fogdog said:
Sanders lost the Democratic nomination BECAUSE less than 1/3 of African American and Hispanic American voters supported him.
Click to expand...


African Americans and Hispanics are Sanders most favorable constituents. Are you calling Harvard/Harris "fake news"? Do you content with the legitimacy of their poll?
Fogdog said:
He's courting the white racist vote now
Click to expand...
Specifically, what in Sanders platform/rhetoric is targeted at "courting the white racist vote"?

Can you cite two examples?
Fogdog said:
I just pointed out that Clinton supported her constituency. What Bernie did is irrelevant to that argument.
Click to expand...
Right. And I responded that supporting your constituency is not always the right answer, citing Sanders vote against the Iraq War, which you've already agreed was the correct vote, tacitly agreeing with me..
Fogdog said:
What Clinton did was legal.
Click to expand...
No doubt about it. I'm not arguing the legality of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars from Wall Street for giving a couple speeches. I'm arguing the ethics of it, the optics. Are you going to argue with me that it was ethical to accept the money from firms on Wall Street given the political climate at the time? Are you going to argue with me that it didn't sell a negative message to the American people? Or was that all just Russian propaganda again?
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

Well-Known Member
Padawanbater2 said:
Voted in support of the Iraq War, accepted $600K for two speeches to Wall Street. Cheated during the 2016 Democratic primary

Republicans don't have to smear her with a record like that
Click to expand...
Oh just stfu already, the adults are talking and you're just a retarded cuck.

Still smearing Clinton?

Sanders is a massive loser, just face it. He got smashed by Clinton, she pegged the fuck out of him.

Sanders couldn't win if he was the only one competing.
 
C

Chezus

Well-Known Member
ALL I heard from Sanders supporters here after his primary loss was

1 I'm going to write him in
2 Voting doesn't matter, you should stay home
3 If we don't get Sanders, it would be better if Trump wins

Add to that the endless attacks on Clinton from Sanders supporters.
If Sanders is on the fence in 2020 about running you can be sure a Republican operative will fund his candidacy .Just like the did Nader in 2004.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top