WTF IS HAPPENING help! PICS!

Room size : 3 ft x 2ft x 6ft
Lights : 2 x 150 watt hps (12 in from canopy), 300 watt LED (8 in from canopy)
Grow Medium : Soil (strait up Fox Farm Ocean Forest)
Time in Soil : 10 days
Plant: Purple Cadillac (clone)
Nutes: NONE
Water: Tap Water (have not ph'ed this yet, waiting on test strips and ph up/down)
Temp in Room: 74 degrees F

Getting claw leaf, brownish burn looking spots on some leaves, I have two clones the other plant is doing just fine, no burn/spots etc, they have both been given the same amount of water, no nutrients, the light is the exact distance from the two tops, I keep thinking its a PH problem but wouldnt it affect both plants? They have not been given any nutrients so its hard for me to believe it is nute burn just from the FFOF soil. I have not been spraying the leaves with water, the HPS has only been on for 2 days, the claw and burn spots were starting before I ever turned the HPS on so, if you need any more info let me know and Ill answer the best I can. Help me figure this out please guys.
-slinger

Thats a very large clone with alot of foilage :0

Check my signature for the grow journal, it's been a little over a week in soil after being rooted in rock wool til the roots were coming out of the bottom of the cube in full force.

Check your PH first before anything, If your feeding both plants the same water then they would of course both suffer the same problem. It kinda looks like Phosphorus def too.

Couple people just recently have had burn issues with FFOF.

It might be the soil it self. I use the same soil. Some clones just dont like it. Let it ride and see what happends. It might come thru. Do you mess with it alot? Looks rather small. I see you have it lstd already, maybe its stressed out. It also could be the lights. try turning all but 1 out for awhile. Hope that helps.

get a ph meter, fuck the ph strips! You can find them for around 20 bucks online.
Your problem is not your lights its the water.
If you are using tap water you must let it sit out for 24 hrs. Public water has clorine in it. Clorine kills plants

Oh yea, that too. I have buckets of water airing out for days. Thats probably what it is!

First off, the most important thing you can own, other than a good light, is a pH meter. IT IS ESSENTIAL TO GOOD HEALTH. Although nute burn is common with your type of medium, I don't believe it is a burn. There would be burnt leave tips, and other signs I'm not seeing. You are seeing the beginning of a nute lockout, cause by your pH being off. Not sure what the "purple" is about, and I see some other minor things going on. So, your water (with or w/o fertilizer) to the right pH, maybe 6.3-6.5 and check the runoff to gage an idea of your soils pH and make adjustments from there. The test strips are useless as fertilizer adds color to the mix and will throw it off. Same with fish tank testers. Also, have you tested your tap water? Is it city or well water? It can have chlorine, heavy metals and other nasty stuff in it. In time you'll figure it all out and be good to go........no one said growing your own smoke would be cheap to do.

Thank you everyone for the quick responses, I will set some water out tonight when I get home for the next watering which won't be for another 5 days at least, as far as a ph meter I will pick one up on Friday and put it into use immediately, if that turns out ok then I'll start looking into nute problems in the ffof soil. As far as turning all but one light off, meh the light is good for them and its not burning them so that would be pointless, maybe this clone is just a little sensitive, different strains are more resilient in certain ways than others, once again thanks guys!
-slinger

Upon further reading it is definitely a ph issue, thinking of going with bottled water that I adjust the ph accordingly, found a nifty little post on the ph of different bottle water!

slinger36s said:

Thank you everyone for the quick responses, I will set some water out tonight when I get home for the next watering which won't be for another 5 days at least, as far as a ph meter I will pick one up on Friday and put it into use immediately, if that turns out ok then I'll start looking into nute problems in the ffof soil. As far as turning all but one light off, meh the light is good for them and its not burning them so that would be pointless, maybe this clone is just a little sensitive, different strains are more resilient in certain ways than others, once again thanks guys!
-slinger

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Its not the amount of light, you're right on that, but I had plants looking like this and it was due to HEAT STRESS your plants are babies and you can veg for a while with just one 150, and your LED would be sufficient for the majority of the grow. Your leave tips are curling under (trying to get away from the light). If you notice, healthy plants that are thriving, their leaf tips are reaching up high towards the light


I run a 1000 hps with an led at PAR 770 and my light is like 3 ft above my plants. Just my two cents.

I would think that except the new growth is all reaching towards the light, that's why I ruled out light stress, plus there is no bleaching. Thanks for the input though its always appreciated

I would say control the ph, and take heed to the comment about using public water. I see ferts in that soil, and you need to know there's alot of solids in those that are designed to dissolve into water and be taken up as nutrients for the plant, but with high TDS (total dissovled solids) in your local water and having nutrient bombed soiled you can get some serious mineralization in the soil. I used hydrogen peroxide flushes alot when this happens. You have to restore the bacteria in the soil afterwards, and use some nitrogen nutes, but it really helps get the mineralization down. My plant loves it when i dilute (i mean dilute ALOT) peroxide and hit the soil with it. Helps aerate soil alot too.

My lesson to you would be to not use time release nutrients or soil that contains them, if you do watch your watering really strictly.

Check with your town's water supply if they use chlorine still or changed to chloramine! Chloramine is new and does not evaporate, thus making the water sit 24 or 48h useless! IMO, get some distilled water and flush.

I've been checking into chloramine and it is definitely used in my water system, fml, gonna buy some distilled water tomorrow but its still to early to flush since my soil 3 in down is a little damp. There is something called a chloramine neutralizer that they use for water in fish tanks so that might be a option down the road but for now, distilled is my best choice, thank you very much for making me aware of chloramine!
-slinger

Does it rain where you live? The best water comes el natural, I gather as much as i can when the skies open and the snow comes.

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I've been checking into chloramine and it is definitely used in my water system, fml, gonna buy some distilled water tomorrow but its still to early to flush since my soil 3 in down is a little damp. There is something called a chloramine neutralizer that they use for water in fish tanks so that might be a option down the road but for now, distilled is my best choice, thank you very much for making me aware of chloramine!
-slinger

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No prob, we're here to help

Should I invest in a brita water filter or just buy distilled? Thoughts?

depending on where you live, you may have hard water. some nutrients are designed to buffer nutrients down to a certain pH. but will only work with good water, or RO water. i dont recommend a ph strip since it has a very limited ph range. if you are on a limited budget, get yourself a ph kit that has a dropper where you can test the ph through colors. those tend to always be accurate and has wider ph ranges than strips.