WTF Medical Marijuana

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skunkushybrid

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SweetMaryJane said:
skunkushybrid said:
That's what I'm talking about. The medical benefits of marijuana are negligible compared to the buzz. So if I want to smoke I've got to go to a doctor and make up some bullshit to make it okay? Compared to modern medicine marijuana is very pale, no competition whatsoever. Your wife's friend may well induce his appetite by smoking but not as well as he could by taking a prescribed medicine. People like to get stoned, even people with HIV. The medical qualities of marijuana are not going to make it legal for us all to smoke. I don't even believe that it's a start. We drink because it gives us a buzz, well some of us prefer to smoke, wtf's wrong with that?

They have no right to tell us we can't grow and smoke weed, no right at all.

I know that these medicinal claimers are full of shit and science is even right now declaring this to be the case. We will always lose the debate because we don't tell the truth.[/quot

Sounds to me as if someone is extremely jealous of people with medical needs, if the shoe was on the other foot i bet you would NOT have posted this thread, and as for ( going to the doctor to make up some bull****) mmmm i don't think people with AIDS, MS, Glaucoma and Cancer have went in and made up Bull**** these people are real and there ilnesses are real.

I myself have MS and smoking weed to me is way better than being a zombie on prescribed medication.
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There is little point in my replying to this non-sensical post as you obviously didn't read what you quoted. My words are there and quite clear, i did not imply that people are making up their illnesses. I implied they are using their illness as leverage to legally smoke cannabis. I'm saying that the medical debate means very little aside from a lever for the greater good, namely the free use of cannabis for all. I'm saying that there should be no need to rely on the medical aspect, that it is our right to self-medicate, that it is our right to be free thinking individuals.

Please don't misunderstand me.
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skunkushybrid

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TillthedayiDIE420 said:
Description Of ADD vs. ADHD ADD versus ADHD What's the difference?

I came across something interesting tonight while researching.

I found this page:
http://www.ldpride.net/addsub-types.htm

It talks about the difference between ADD, without hyperactivity, and ADHD, which is WITH hyperactivity.

It says that regular ADD, is different than ADHD, in that ADHD is caused by an under-stimulation in the frontal lobe, and ADD is more of a problem of the parietal lobe.

So, this got me thinking...I match most of the descriptions of normal ADD... so I did a Google search for marijuana's effects on the parietal lobe.

I found this page:
http://www.globalchange.com/drugs/TADChapter5.htm

If you read it, you'll see this:

Scientists have studied electrical activity in the frontal lobes of the brain in Marijuana users using event-related potential measurements (ERP). [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]You can measure not only patterns of electrical activity in the brain using electrodes placed over the head, but also the speed of brain reactions to - say - a picture or a sound.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Research shows that with increased length of use, Marijuana users are less able to focus attention and filter out irrelevant stimuli, (frontal lobe [/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]activity). However[/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica] with increasing frequency of use there was a growing problem in the parietal area of the brain with slower speed of information processing.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Its interesting. AND it makes sense. If ADD people have overactive parietal lobes, then it makes sense, that something that can calm that lobe, like marijuana, would actually help them. In the case of normal people, frequent use would be bad, but for ADD people, frequent use would calm them.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]So, the next question is, does marijuana help ADHD people, who have problems with their frontal lobes? How much marijuana would these people need? Maybe, the dose of marijuana, that can affectively stimulate the frontal lobes, is higher, than the dose that is needed to calm the parietal lobes.[/FONT]

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]What we really need, is someone to do testing with brain scanning machines. I would be interested to see the effect on the different lobes, with different amounts and strains of marijuana.[/FONT]

that gives an idea of what add is, also what adhd is.. i just copy and pasted what i read.
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I can understand an accident causing damage to a certain area of the brain would lead to abnormalities. I also believe however that you can cause this damage yourself by your behaviour.

When you are sad, even really sad, if you watch a decent comedy show you will laugh through your sadness. Your sadness will still be there but will have been alleviated by the moment, a rush of chemicals (seratonin, I believe) will escape into your brain giving you a feeling of hapiness. This feeling is addictive just as feeling sad can be. The brain will release certain chemicals dependant upon how we WANT to feel. Maybe feeling sad for long periods will do damage to the ability of the brain to produce seratonin.

Do you see my point? Maybe dramatically misbehaving and being allowed to get away with it is addictive too.
 
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bmn

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Cannabis works insane wonders for Fibromyalgia, ADHD, and OCD. Walk in these shoes, and you'll see that cannabis is truly a gift from Y-hweh.
 
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bigballin007 said:
Laws are to make people safer but most fail.
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People simply use laws to try and fill in for lack of morals and common sense.

Ever see a penny used in place of a fuse? It works for a while, then starts shooting sparks, and then the whole house burns down to the ground.
(penny = laws. fuse = morals and common sense.)

OUR house is on fire, and people are still screaming to add more pennies.
 
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skunkushybrid said:
That's what I'm talking about. The medical benefits of marijuana are negligible compared to the buzz. So if I want to smoke I've got to go to a doctor and make up some bullshit to make it okay?
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skunkushybrid said:
There is little point in my replying to this non-sensical post as you obviously didn't read what you quoted. My words are there and quite clear, i did not imply that people are making up their illnesses.
Please don't misunderstand me.
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i had to stay out of this because you are talking some crazy stuff. what got you going?

i can't sleep. i was taking clonipin for over 4 years. highly addictive. I ODed. had to have my stomach pumped. i smoke pot now. i don't think i will be taking any ambulance rides after to many bong loads, do you?
 
mogie

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My doctor was able to take me off 3 addictive meds (two for sleep and one for anxiety). He agrees with me and my medical card helping my OCPD. It has been a godsend. Until you have been in my shoes (like bmn said) don't label.
 
skunkushybrid

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Who's labeling? I said that if I, that's ME, wanted to smoke legally I (that's ME!) would have to make up some bullshit to do it.

Get it yet? I really cannot explain myself any clearer.

I want cannabis to be legal for the right reasons. I'm not sick (at least not physically). MOST people smoke cannabis because of the buzz, because of how it makes them feel. It's a nice drug, far better than alcohol or tobacco, this is why it should be legal.

People, whether they are sick or not, like to unwind with cannabis. I do agree that cannabis should be legal for illness sufferers, but only because I believe cannabis should be legal for all.
 
mogie

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If smoke it because of how it makes me feel. It slows me down. So I am running at the same speed at regular people.

Should it be legal? Yes. Is this the first step? Yes. Apparently it has to be this way because not enough regular users will stand up and shout out loud that they want it legalized. Most whisper it in the shadows. Be truthful now.

This helps legitimize it. That is the first step.
 
cyphercrash

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1 the government will NEVER leagalize ANY recreational drug.
2 the pain relief aspect has been medically and indisputabley proven ni test after test and now a clinnical test with a legal control group and a test group and the results are in. Medical marijuana has been proven to relieve pain almost instantly and continuously for hours with no visible side effects other than short term memory loss (only while under the influance) and munchies in some subjects. Half the patients received marijuana, while the other 25 received placebo cigarettes that lacked the drug's active ingredient, tetrahydrocannabinol. Scientists said the study was the first one published that used a comparison group, which is generally considered the gold standard for scientific research.
Thirteen patients who received marijuana told doctors their pain eased by at least a third after smoking pot, while only six of those smoking placebos said likewise. The marijuana smokers reported an average pain reduction of 34 percent, double the drop reported by the placebo smokers as measured with a widely accepted pain scale.
 
skunkushybrid

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mogie said:
If smoke it because of how it makes me feel. It slows me down. So I am running at the same speed at regular people.

Should it be legal? Yes. Is this the first step? Yes. Apparently it has to be this way because not enough regular users will stand up and shout out loud that they want it legalized. Most whisper it in the shadows. Be truthful now.

This helps legitimize it. That is the first step.
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This is true mogie, hence the creation of this thread. The reason I am in the shadows is the risk factor. With my background I'd get 3 years. Wouldn't really bother me too much if I didn't have 3 kids. I'm needed, and it would be selfish of me to advertise myself. Although i have a burning inside me that says "This isn't right!" and "Who the fuck do they think they are?" I feel chained by circumstance.

I smoke it for the same reason as you, it slows me down. Without it I'm a crazy motherfucker.
 
Kryztina

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I had awful morning sickness with all 3 of my kids, on my docs advice I smoked for the nausea-and it worked miricals! not smoking...I wound up in the hospital on IV for nutrients....smoking I was able to eat...
Id rather pot than the diclecton! and my kids are healthy as heck!
My doc said the most harmful chemicals r in the rollin paper-he told me to smoke with a pipe....also I still smoke and I nurse (same for all 3)
anyone heard of any research relating to this?
 
VictorVIcious

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Are you asking if you could pass on an addiction to your children? Or are you asking about specific research done using soon to be mothers?
 
Kryztina

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VictorVIcious said:
Are you asking if you could pass on an addiction to your children? Or are you asking about specific research done using soon to be mothers?
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a little of both....I cant find much research done with mothers, and I am curious if pot is an addiction that can be passed through...
my girls didnt seem to have any withdrawl after nursing, and my ped didnt have any concerns....however I am curious
 
skunkushybrid

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if you have an addictive personality it could be that this gene has been passed to one of your children. If not, then just them witnessing you smoking could be enough to set them off.
 
cyphercrash

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I do not have an adictive personality. I can and have kicked such drugs as crack, cigarettes, and opium... Btw the cigarettes were by far the hardest habbit to kick, I can to this day sit and watch crackers or opium smokers and not have any reaction, but ocationally if Im sitting with someone who is smoking cigs my brain wants to say hey can I have one. My conscience has to stop me.. But any way.... My 18 year old son has tried pot, and he hates it, he would rather drink (yuck) so even though I have used it since 10 years old for ulscer pain and adhd and his mother also smoked, he has no interest in it.
 
Kryztina

Kryztina

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I dont actually smoke in front of the kids, we smoke outside...just curious because Im wondering how much actually goes into breastmilk if any at all....and if anyone has heard of devolpmental hinderances or anything....thx for the info folks!
Cheers!
 
skunkushybrid

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Cannabis isn't actually harmful to children. In fact, and I don't remember where I got this fact from, egyptian women would ingest cannabis during childbirth. Cannabis is a mild narcotic with medicinal properties, much less harmful than the cocaine and opium derivatives used by modern hospitals. Which are quite readily used on children all the time.

I'm certainly not advocating giving cannabis to children, but i doubt very much that through breast milk they would ingest enough to get stoned, and it isn't harmful anyway, so no harm no...
 
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cyphercrash said:
I do not have an adictive personality. I can and have kicked such drugs as crack, cigarettes, and opium... Btw the cigarettes were by far the hardest habbit to kick, I can to this day sit and watch crackers or opium smokers and not have any reaction, but ocationally if Im sitting with someone who is smoking cigs my brain wants to say hey can I have one. My conscience has to stop me.. But any way.... My 18 year old son has tried pot, and he hates it, he would rather drink (yuck) so even though I have used it since 10 years old for ulscer pain and adhd and his mother also smoked, he has no interest in it.
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Kicking the habits is not the same thing as not having an addictive personality. The fact that you have been addicted to numerous drugs, and are still using drugs proves you have an addictive personality. Imagine how you would feel being completely straight (no pun intended). If you could last 24 hours without the urge to take some form of drug then this would prove that you don't have an addictive personality.
 
Kryztina

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mogie said:
I am a medical marijuana patient. I didn't make anything up to get my mm card. By using mm I was able to quit taking Fiornal (that contained codine) for my migraines. The marijuana also was a huge help in controling my stress. I suffer from OCD. There is no cure but it helps me manage. My doctor agreed that this would be helpful.

While at the Alternative Medicine Outreach Program I have met many people who have quit taking perscription drugs far more addictive then my codine and with horrible side effects. Some of these people have quit everything cold turkey and simply rely on medical marijuana to help them make it through the day . So don't say that this is just a bunch of people who want to get high. To some this has been a real lifesaver!
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I was diagnosed as having severe anxiety, the doc put me on Paxil*...on my way to work I sat in a bus stop and stared at polka dots for two hours...needles to say I couldnt function (but I wasnt anxious! lol)
I quit the pills and stuck to pot and guess what?!
Im ok-no pills for me!
morning sickness.....etc..
too many positive attributes to be illigal....the list goes on....
My aunt is positive and she has her mm...and the smoke does wonders for her, the suitcase of pills is down to about 10 pills a day now...I think its awsome, and natural is better then pills if possible...
Cheers!
 
cyphercrash

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skunkushybrid said:
Kicking the habits is not the same thing as not having an addictive personality. The fact that you have been addicted to numerous drugs, and are still using drugs proves you have an addictive personality. Imagine how you would feel being completely straight (no pun intended). If you could last 24 hours without the urge to take some form of drug then this would prove that you don't have an addictive personality.
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Actually I stopped ALL forms of drug use for 7 years, after using for 17 every day, and was totally straight as you put it for 7 full years (not, on and off, absolutely no falling off the wagon) I Did not have a desire or a want or a need for anything. What actually got me back on marijuana is the fact that I would have to use $7000.00 of prescribed medication (No HMOs for the self employed)
that I currently substitute MJ as my drug of choice. (Ritilin for my ADHD zombifies me and I can not function let alone think, Vicodin for the chronic pain caused by flying through a windsheild and dying twice on a table in an O.R., Prozac or whatever for the depression caused by serious trauma and loss of a percentage of functionality in ones body (20% loss of feeling body wide,) Meds (plural) for Severe Arthritis again from accident and broken bones, Glucopahge for Hyperglycemia, and Benazipil for High blood pressure.

The only 2 I currently do not replace with MJ are the last 2. but my cannibis friendly doctor says with diet I can replace the Glucose med soon.

Also, I did not GET addicted to the other drugs (OK I freely admit the nicotine addiction it still haunts me to this day, people will light up a cig and one part of me wants to go ohh can i have one... I have never had another from the day I quit.) I realized how easy it would have been to allow myself to become addicted and immediately stopped and never went back with Coke and opium. I apologize for the misleading and misused words in that statement.

Also Both my sons Mom and I smoked multiple times per day and his mom smoked on the way to the hospital and He has never wanted to continue after his first use (no he is not lying, He likes beer, which I hate)
 
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