wtf? why aren't these finishing... day 71 pics

Brick Top

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Sativas can take up to 12 weeks sometimes.
If you are talking about real true sativas, pure sativas, and not how most people call any cross that is over 50% sativa a sativa, you can add a bunch of weeks to that up to 12 week statement. When I grew true Panama Red back in the 70's sometimes it would take as much as 22 weeks to be ready to harvest. Some true sativas offered by today's breeders can take 15 weeks or more.
 

noober doober

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What is the strain that you refer to as being sativa? Is is a real true sativa, as in not an sativa/indica cross or is it just predominantly sativa and if so what percentage of sativa is it?

If you have 5% to 10% light amber trichomes, the time to harvest is now. Amber is a sign of oxidized THC, THC that had degraded, broken down and has become CBN. Waiting for more amber is only a case of intentionally growing your plants past peak THC levels and intentionally throwing away THC to get more CBN.

CBN content increases as THC degrades. It is only mildly psychoactive and can cause "fuzzy head", drowsiness, disorientation and sleepiness in the smoker. Some people wrongly believe that to be a body stone or a couch-lock stone but a true body stone, a true couch-lock stone comes from high percentages of CBD, not oxidized, degraded THC that has transformed into increased levels of CBN.

If what you are calling a sativa is a real true 100% sativa, or even a cross that is like 90% or higher in sativa, then you would want to harvest when roughly 5% to 10% of the trichomes have turned cloudy. A true sativa, a pure sativa or one that is almost pure will reach peak THC levels when the trichomes are still clear but the only way to know the trichomes have maxed out when it comes to THC levels is to wait until a small percentage of them have begun to turn cloudy. Once you see that, the rest should be as ready as they will ever be.
The plant is sativa dominant although I'm not sure how dominant... here is a link http://www.sensibleseeds.com/detail.php?ID=3811
I'm thinking one more watering and chop soon afterwards. One thing I've noticed is that the main cola seems to have stopped developing all together but the lower buds are now starting to develop nicely. here are some pics
top of main cola



middle


the rest




EDIT* I have taken a sample (or two lol) from this plant and it is less of a head high then I expected, wonder if I've already gone too long?

also, I'm not going to change the 12/12 schedule, just haven't researched enough to try something like that but thanks for both opinions on the matter


It is entirely possible I've fed too much N. I pretty much just followed AN's directions so...
and I did use overdrive, can't be sure but it seemed like the overdrive was spawning a ton of new growth. Again, this is my first grow so I could be reading things incorrectly.

Oh, btw SNATCH is the greatest movie ever made : )
 

col. forbin

Active Member
I am day 68 and I am in the same boat as you. We did not wait to long. I can see your trich's in that 2nd and 3rd picture clear as day. Cloudy with samll amber heads is really easy to spot. I have a 30x loop and never needed anything more to see whats up. I have another week or two easily and so might you. I changed my lights to 14/10 so, I will let you know when I finish. I am not worried about it and would not have suggested it, if I was. I also took a sample dried for three days and got maybe a slight head change to possibly nothing. Its just Not READY yet. Patience is key. Good luck!! Snatch does rule.
 

impulsive

Member
put them on 11/13 to force flowering harder. theyll finish up



by the way what that guy said about harvesting sativas with 15% amber. no. with any plant u want alot of amber to get the truly unique features of that strain.

CBD ,THCV(or THV, the cannabinoid in tropical sativas that give them the ridiculous psychadelics), and terpens are formed LATER into flowering, so to get the full taste/assets of a strain, take it to 60% amber. Another way to tell ripeness is to watch for the day your buds almost double in growth in late flowering. a week from that day is cuttin time.
 

Brick Top

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and I did use overdrive, can't be sure but it seemed like the overdrive was spawning a ton of new growth. Again, this is my first grow so I could be reading things incorrectly.
I do not know about Overdrive but some bloom enhancers/bud growth developers work a lot like SuperThrive. They slow down the progression of the flower, as in keep it from stopping growing and then deteriorating as quickly as it normally would so they will grow longer and grow larger .. but it also slows down the 'ripening' time of trichomes, it extends the length of time needed to full 'ripen."

Like I said, I do not know of Overdrive does that but if you got sort of a half decent but short lived head high then it is likely the case and they need more time. If you got more less of a high, but one of decent duration, and more 'bottom end,' a more body stone or couch-lock-like stone .. then you likely waited too long.



Oh, btw SNATCH is the greatest movie ever made : )
"Snatch" is a great movie but the greatest movie ever made was one that could use the same title. About 5 or 6 years back when my nieces were still in college, after a long night of partying with them one of their HOTTIE friends decided that 'Uncle Brick Top' was cool and we made a flick .... and it is GREAT and it could also be titled "Snatch," but with a different meaning to the word of course.
 

skolar182

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"Snatch" is a great movie but the greatest movie ever made was one that could use the same title. About 5 or 6 years back when my nieces were still in college, after a long night of partying with them one of their HOTTIE friends decided that 'Uncle Brick Top' was cool and we made a flick .... and it is GREAT and it could also be titled "Snatch," but with a different meaning to the word of course.
You partied with, and banged one of your nieces friends??

Kinda twisted man..
 

alan whittington

Active Member
i'm with brick top on this, as close to done as it looks, the hairs haven't pulled back into the bud, the frosting of thc is not completely and the bods i believe have not reached full fruit. give it another week and show us some product!
 

Brick Top

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You partied with, and banged one of your nieces friends??

Kinda twisted man..
It wasn't like she was one of my nieces, ... just one of their friends .... and what old dude would turn down a college hottie that wanted to make a 'home movie?'

Certainly NOT this old dude.

My niece's were cool and the gang with it so why in the wide, wide world of sports should I have not been cool with it?

I could describe myself by using some slightly altered Allman Brothers lyrics ....
Well, I ain't no saint and I sure as hell ain't no savior, Every other Christmas I would practice good behavior. That was then,
this is now, don't ask me to be Mister Clean, 'cause baby, I don't know how.


That's always been me.
 

noober doober

Active Member
What is the strain that you refer to as being sativa? Is is a real true sativa, as in not an sativa/indica cross or is it just predominantly sativa and if so what percentage of sativa is it?

If you have 5% to 10% light amber trichomes, the time to harvest is now. Amber is a sign of oxidized THC, THC that had degraded, broken down and has become CBN. Waiting for more amber is only a case of intentionally growing your plants past peak THC levels and intentionally throwing away THC to get more CBN.

CBN content increases as THC degrades. It is only mildly psychoactive and can cause "fuzzy head", drowsiness, disorientation and sleepiness in the smoker. Some people wrongly believe that to be a body stone or a couch-lock stone but a true body stone, a true couch-lock stone comes from high percentages of CBD, not oxidized, degraded THC that has transformed into increased levels of CBN.

If what you are calling a sativa is a real true 100% sativa, or even a cross that is like 90% or higher in sativa, then you would want to harvest when roughly 5% to 10% of the trichomes have turned cloudy. A true sativa, a pure sativa or one that is almost pure will reach peak THC levels when the trichomes are still clear but the only way to know the trichomes have maxed out when it comes to THC levels is to wait until a small percentage of them have begun to turn cloudy. Once you see that, the rest should be as ready as they will ever be.
put them on 11/13 to force flowering harder. theyll finish up



by the way what that guy said about harvesting sativas with 15% amber. no. with any plant u want alot of amber to get the truly unique features of that strain.

CBD ,THCV(or THV, the cannabinoid in tropical sativas that give them the ridiculous psychadelics), and terpens are formed LATER into flowering, so to get the full taste/assets of a strain, take it to 60% amber. Another way to tell ripeness is to watch for the day your buds almost double in growth in late flowering. a week from that day is cuttin time.
Wow, that is some seriously conflicting information lol. Anyone care to back up their statement? I've read a ton of brick top's posts and you seem to always give sound advice. I'm not saying impulsive is not, I would just like to hear more on the subject.
 

auldone

Well-Known Member
put them on 11/13 to force flowering harder. theyll finish up



by the way what that guy said about harvesting sativas with 15% amber. no. with any plant u want alot of amber to get the truly unique features of that strain.

CBD ,THCV(or THV, the cannabinoid in tropical sativas that give them the ridiculous psychadelics), and terpens are formed LATER into flowering, so to get the full taste/assets of a strain, take it to 60% amber. Another way to tell ripeness is to watch for the day your buds almost double in growth in late flowering. a week from that day is cuttin time.
"That Guy" would be Brick Top, or known by some as "Uncle Brick Top".

Without question I, and many others on this site, listen to what he has to say. He speeks from experience. ALOT of experience.
 

smokecat

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"Snatch" is a great movie but the greatest movie ever made was one that could use the same title. About 5 or 6 years back when my nieces were still in college, after a long night of partying with them one of their HOTTIE friends decided that 'Uncle Brick Top' was cool and we made a flick .... and it is GREAT and it could also be titled "Snatch," but with a different meaning to the word of course.
Awesome. Much respect. :hump:
 

Brick Top

New Member
put them on 11/13 to force flowering harder. theyll finish up



by the way what that guy said about harvesting sativas with 15% amber. no. with any plant u want alot of amber to get the truly unique features of that strain.

CBD ,THCV(or THV, the cannabinoid in tropical sativas that give them the ridiculous psychadelics), and terpens are formed LATER into flowering, so to get the full taste/assets of a strain, take it to 60% amber.

Nope .. that's wrong. It is a myth that amber trichomes is what someone wants actually in any strain. As breeders bred for potency it came at the cost of CBD. It is impossible to have both high levels of THC and high levels of CBD. CBD is what gives a body stone, a couch-lock stone. Breeders have almost totally bred CBD out of modern strains so to get something that is at least half close to being a body stone, a couch-lock stone growers turned to growing their plants beyond peak harvest time and allowing THC to oxidize, to be lost, and allow it to transform into increased levels of CBN which only gives a fake body stone, a fake couch-lock stone.



THC BIOSYNTHESIS






When you understand how trichomes develop on your plants and how to examine them as they turn from clear to opaque, indicating THC breakdown you will know when the best time to harvest is. Most strains start with clear or slightly amber heads which gradually become opaque when THC levels have peaked and are beginning to degrade. Regardless of the initial colour of the resin head, with careful observation you should be able to see a change in coloration as maturity levels off.

Someone can wait for more amber trichomes but by allowing half of the glands to go amber, the bud will also have a larger proportion of THC breakdown products such as CBNs, which is why some people prefer to harvest earlier while most of the heads are still clear or cloudy, clear in the case of a pure sativa or one that is almost pure sativa. Indica varieties usually have a 1-2 week harvest window to work with, while Sativas and Indica/Sativa hybrids have a much longer period to play with.


Why would anyone who wants the clear soaring head high of a pure or nearly pure sativa want to lose that by intentionally throwing away THC by allowing it to oxidize and become nearly useless CBN? CBN content increases as THC degrades. It is only mildly psychoactive and causes a fuzzy head feeling, drowsiness, disorientation and sleepiness in the smoker. That is not a sativa high, so who would want to wait for amber trichomes and end up with lower levels of THC, less potency and replacing THC with CBN and get that sort of weaker fake body stone, fake couch-lock buzz from a true sativa?




terpens are formed LATER into flowering, so to get the full taste/assets of a strain
Increased levels of terpenes, as it is spelled, giving a more; "full taste" is what you see as being more important than maximum potency, maximum levels of THC?

In just a few more months I will have grown for 39 years and in all that time a more; "full taste" has NEVER been a higher priority for me than maximum potency.


CBD ,THCV(or THV, the cannabinoid in tropical sativas that give them the ridiculous psychadelics
THCV (Tetrahydrocannabivarin) is found primarily in strains of African and Asian cannabis. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects. Not all sativa strains are; "tropical" and not all sativa strains produce THCV. That is why not all sativas, and I mean pure 100% sativas, are not rocket-sled rides like some others are.
 

alan whittington

Active Member
then sir may i ask if you know any strains that do have this THCV? because i want to grow as many skunks as i can. all different kinds if i can. and to have eventually the genetics for a rollercoaster high with one of the most potents plants.. would be pretty awesome
 

Brick Top

New Member
then sir may i ask if you know any strains that do have this THCV? because i want to grow as many skunks as i can. all different kinds if i can. and to have eventually the genetics for a rollercoaster high with one of the most potents plants.. would be pretty awesome
Willie Nelson is one. Nepalese is one. Malawi Gold is another (if it is the real Malawi Gold), Cambodian (also called Phnom Penh) is another. If you can find true Durban Poison it is another one.

Basically any landrace strains from Africa, India, Nepal, and eastern Asia or crosses that are predominantly made up of one or more strain from those regions will give you a good chance of finding THCV.

Breeders don't normally give THCV levels or even mention them. For one it will shorten the duration of a high. It will make a high a rocket-cled ride but traveling at those speeds you get to the end of your journey sooner so if a strain has much THCV in it breeders normally don't brag it up figuring it might be negative advertising.
 

zoso914

Well-Known Member
What is the strain that you refer to as being sativa? Is is a real true sativa, as in not an sativa/indica cross or is it just predominantly sativa and if so what percentage of sativa is it?

If you have 5% to 10% light amber trichomes, the time to harvest is now. Amber is a sign of oxidized THC, THC that had degraded, broken down and has become CBN. Waiting for more amber is only a case of intentionally growing your plants past peak THC levels and intentionally throwing away THC to get more CBN.

CBN content increases as THC degrades. It is only mildly psychoactive and can cause "fuzzy head", drowsiness, disorientation and sleepiness in the smoker. Some people wrongly believe that to be a body stone or a couch-lock stone but a true body stone, a true couch-lock stone comes from high percentages of CBD, not oxidized, degraded THC that has transformed into increased levels of CBN.

If what you are calling a sativa is a real true 100% sativa, or even a cross that is like 90% or higher in sativa, then you would want to harvest when roughly 5% to 10% of the trichomes have turned cloudy. A true sativa, a pure sativa or one that is almost pure will reach peak THC levels when the trichomes are still clear but the only way to know the trichomes have maxed out when it comes to THC levels is to wait until a small percentage of them have begun to turn cloudy. Once you see that, the rest should be as ready as they will ever be.
wow that was intense ty for that more knowledge Rep++
 
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